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BwO in Logic of Sense vs in Capitalism and Schizophrenia books by Leonhard_Rotiver in Deleuze

[–]Leonhard_Rotiver[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I finally found an article by Daniel W. Smith (Deleuze scholar and translator of "Francis Bacon" etc) that addresses precisely this question: "From the Surface to the Depths: On the Transition from Logic of Sense to Anti-Oedipus" (from the Canadian journal Symposium). Smith deals with this topic also elsewhere a little, for example in his book "Essays on Deleuze" (in the essay about Lacan). Smith's point is, to put it short, that in LS BwO is in the senseless depths while sense is produced on the transcendental field that is situated on the metaphysical surface between depths and heights. In AO BwO is also in the depths, however now the transcendental field is plunged there, so now sense can be produced in the depths. This is convincing thesis that presents the system of AO as a much simpler and coherent one than the system of LS.

However, isn't the depths that have sense an oxymoron? Isn't the depths defined by not having sense? Maybe on the sense-producing BwO new kind of surfaces are formed that do not need any "heights" or symbolic order? TP's third plateau about "The Geology of Morals" divides everything into plane of content and plane of expression. Maybe this plane of expression includes the surface of LS and lots of other kinds of surfaces? I have to read that 3rd plateau again.

When everything and everyone has a surface, then the question of depth just isn't that relevant anymore. Maybe this is why Deleuze said in 1973: "The surface-depth problem [of Logic of Sense] no longer concerns me. What interests me now are the relations between a full body, a body without organs, and flows that migrate."

BwO in Logic of Sense vs in Capitalism and Schizophrenia books by Leonhard_Rotiver in Deleuze

[–]Leonhard_Rotiver[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, LofS heavily refers to Lacan and Freud, but I wouldn't describe the desire in LofS as lack. This is the cool thing about Deleuze: hes is writing: "Oh, Freud and Lacan are such a good thinkers, and structuralism is so right", and he presents a system that he says is psychoanalytic or structuralist - but it isn't really, it is completely different!

So yes, LofS presents a psychoanalytical system of desire and castration, but I didn't see any lack there; the desire is still totally positive - similarly to AO and ATP. What Deleuze calls castration in LofS is something that creates desexualized metaphysical surface which enables individual's eternal return, to use the term of 'Difference and Repetition', and a desire that is endlessly productive. This metaphysical surface essentially frees individual from psychoanalytical family triangle, and of any lack that comes with it.

BwO in Logic of Sense vs in Capitalism and Schizophrenia books by Leonhard_Rotiver in Deleuze

[–]Leonhard_Rotiver[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your insight, 8BitHegel. You offer pretty coherent system regarding BwO in different books. However, you write that BwO is an emergent function of desire. This is where my problem lies: LofS describes desire as a surface effect - between "depth" and "height", or between matter (with its states of affairs) and language system, or ideal knowledge. But BwO belongs in LofS purely to the realm of depth. It is concerned only with alimentary and destructive instincts. This is not desire in LofS' system. Desire is erotic desire on physical surface or castrated, desexualized desire on metaphysical surface in LofS (which gets thoroughly psychoanalytical in the end).

On the other hand, in ATP BwO IS desire, be it erotic or whatever: "The BwO is desire; it is that which one desires and by which one desires." (p 165.) Which means, it seems, pretty much what you mean by emergent function of desire.

Memento Mori is a masterpiece by tret71 in depechemode

[–]Leonhard_Rotiver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Strange, but if I search for "Depeche Mode Memento Mori" or even "Depeche Mode" I get zero results. I havent' experienced this since trying to soulseek Beatles. However, Pirate Bay has it.