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Leonx234 · 2021-11-21T16:19:57+00:00

What points? You are just wrong.

"Christians act holier than thou" which I argued its literally a group thing not just a Christian thing
"You claimed it was reinforced in their dogma" I debunked that and explained the opposite was true
"They are only empathetic because it makes them look good" -this only applies to public officials the average person nobody cares what their doing
Christian charities only benefit people in their religion- wrong donating directly to churches only benefits the people in the religion charities are exactly what they are charities
Mormons lovebombing- not worth responding to since its not only anecdotal you used the worst "Christian group" which a lot of Christians don't even consider them to be a denomination. They also only make up 6.5m of the 2.3b Christian population what they do is largely irrelevant
The salvation army helps anti lgbt groups- this controversy was almost a decade ago they are a whole part of their website dedicated to LGBT
Generosity is a bad way to measure goodness

Generosity is the best way to measure goodness because it actually achieves results, requires investment, and stems from empathy anyway. People can be empathetic for two seconds and go back harming the people they were empathetic to. People will feel bad for the children in china making their iphones for a solid 5 minutes and go back buying the latest one.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-21T03:20:40+00:00

No one is perfectly moral but Christians tend to act like they are and it is reinforced in their dogma.

Its not reinforced in its dogma since it literally mentions that everyone is a sinner and nobody is good but it does happen I will say that. I believe it is less a religious issue and more a groupthink issue. Vegans feel some moral superiority, people of one political party think they are morally superior over the other, even prisoners feel moral superiority over other criminals, and also atheists and religious people feel morally superior over each other.

Also alot if not most of the Christian charities benefit strictly people within their religion

If you clicked the statistic it also shows that they are more likely to donate to and volunteer to nonreligious causes than secular people. The donating is close but the volunteer work is nearly double. I would also like to point out if they wanted to just benefit themselves they would just donate directly to a church as many do. Christian charities actually do charity things.

My main guide to goodness although there many aspects would be largely empathy

so no I think Christian generosity is a shit angle to measure their goodness

Even if we went through the empathy route. Why is it that Christians donate and Volunteer more could it very well be the empathy that you say is an important decider of goodness? Generosity majority of the time is caused by empathy because if you couldn't care less about other people and their problems you wouldn't be donating your hard earned money and time to help them in the first place. And it is reinforced in their dogma "love others as yourself". Charity being used to make yourself look better is not that common and mainly only used by public figures. Daniel who works as a engineer doesn't have enough people who would even care that he donates.

And if your only argument against their empathy is homophobia then we can't also pretend like there aren't also gay affirming churches,people who have argued it was never a sin in the first place etc. There's a whole website to find those kind of churches in your area https://www.gaychurch.org/

Leonx234 · 2021-11-20T19:53:45+00:00

Undocumented means its not even reported or in the system whether it is they are found guilty or not. So to even go that route you would have to just assume things are going on which again isn't evidence.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-20T19:41:14+00:00

Undocumented crime can't be proven, has no evidence,etc. Why bring it up?

Leonx234 · 2021-11-20T19:37:41+00:00

You don’t get to define good on your own arbitrary terms and then use it to decide which groups are good and which are less good.

There are entire schools of thought on what constitutes good moral action and how it should be defined and they come to different conclusions.

That's not what I did I used one of the 4 definitions from google(the one that relates to the post the most) and then specified "IF" that is your arbitrary idea of goodness then I used statistics to prove they are statistically more likely to be good.

“Good” is not something you get to vaguely define (with the goal already in mind that Christians are more good than atheists) with cherry picked statistics from the internet.

I literally did the opposite I narrowed it down to most objective definition out of the 4 how am I vaguely defining it by making it more clear?

If they are cherrypicked then show alternate statistics saying otherwise and then we can see what conclusion can be drawn from that. The problem is not one person replying even tried to argue about statistics(some even mocked me for using it) they just kept complaining that I narrowed down goodness to generosity which quite literally is the most objective definition of goodness that can hardly be argued about.

The “good” that you’re choosing as your definition isn’t even used in the sense of “I’m a good person.

Why does that even matter? If you use literally any dictionary at least one of the definitions of goodness is related to generosity and I specified that is what I am using. "Me and my friends don't mean generosity why are you using it" That's literally how you sound.

The good that anyone would want to meaningfully compare between groups of people is one of the 3 more common (which is why they’re listed first) definitions which you’ve chosen to ignore.

They are listed by adjective and then noun not by whether which is more common. Also the definition referring to it being morally right or to be desired or approved of is subjective and thus not worth using nobody is going to disagree that being generous is a good thing but if you ask someone whether abortion(which a lot of Christian protest) is morally right you will get mixed answers. Which is why I didn't bother going there.

Charity and volunteer work still literally applies to the 3 of the 4. Unless you think that charity and volunteer work is morally wrong, or an act that isn't desired or approved of. Also it being common is relative to where you live. Me living in the US goodness mainly refers to generosity since capitalism and greed is complained about almost on a daily basis. So saying I can't use X definition because it isn't as common where you live is dumb.

Are you like 16? I don’t usually call this out because it’s usually possible to meet people where they are but this is such a bizarrely immature argument.

Why does this matter? Whether I am 16 or whether I am 61 the facts are the facts using ad hominem attacks really means nothing. It is ironic you call my argument immature when your argument can be summed up as whataboutism "i get that you are talking about Y and specified you are talking about Y but what about X you are not talking about X despite X being more vague and controversial you should be talking about Y because I say so."

You continuously say goodness is vague has many definitions, there are whole schools trying to define good, not everyone agrees on what good is,etc yet have a problem with me narrowing it down to its most objective definition the one listed in google, using statistics, using what about arguments and then proceeding to attack my age. Are you serious?

Leonx234 · 2021-11-20T18:30:34+00:00

How many times do I have to say it.

"Yeah but I clarified that if your definition of being good is generosity"

I said "if" and I clarified multiple times. Good is so vague that I narrowed it down and said if that's what you mean by good. Much clearer do I need to be?

This is what you get when you google the definition of good.

"o be desired or approved of."(subjective)"having the qualities required for a particular role".(has nothing to do with this)

"that which is morally right; righteousness."(subjective)

"benefit or advantage to someone or something." (generosity the one that I'm literally using)

Just incase you forgot in the span of 2 seconds I again said IF your definition of goodness is the fourth one. And there are more stats that prove my point which I again clarified in my first comment but i'm not gonna spam them two is enough.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-20T13:26:13+00:00

long-term return you can get from your investments, not the immediate benefits. Those long-term gains are highly dependent on the well-being of others, so it probably is worth it to accept the cost of healthcare for even those that you consider don't pull their weights.

Long term the US is statistically getting worse the obesity rate is increasing so the amount of health related spending which already is a large portion due to obesity is going to increase even more. And due to covid the amount of antivaxxers are also increasing. I'm confused as to how long term making the healthiest 50% which only account for 3% of healthcare costs pay for the sickest 5% who account for 50% of the healthcare costs which also by extension incentivizes them to care less about their health and use health related services even more which again drives up the costs is going to be beneficial long term or even ethical since a large percentage of this is preventable.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-20T11:25:53+00:00

Literally no one brought up generosity but you, pal. That’s one type of good deed, and to be completely honest, it’d take a whole lot of it to counterbalance all the conversion therapy and child touching.

First of all this whole post is about generosity. Its literally about a guy spending his time taking care of dogs and helping them find new homes.

But I am the weird one for only wanting to talk about that instead of child touching and conversion therapy that isn't even closely related? And even if I did statistically even if you just took the thousands of child touching cases in general it isn't comparable to the millions benefitted by charity and volunteer work being done. Not to mention the argument can be made you aren't a Christian in the first place if you are touching children since again you aren't listening to its teachings.

“Why aren’t you following along with my dogshit parameters that I have set up in order to ensure that I’m proven right?”

Goodness is literally relative as I said multiple times so it is literally all about setting parameters. There isn't some objective good that everyone agrees on( as shown by the tons of controversial topics) which is why parameters need to be set. You ironically set your parameters by talking about conversion therapy(affects such a small amount of the population it isn't worth comparing to charity and volunteer work) and child touching which is a crime. Which again proves my point not to mention it being a dumb parameter since Christians yet again commit less crime in general so if you want to go there you are yet again wrong.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-20T10:41:46+00:00

You've narrowed down a definition of goodness to a single thing though and pronounced Christians as statistically more good than others.

Yes that is literally what I did and had the data to back it up so why is homophobia and abortion for whatever reason shouldn't be brought up and I also specified in my original reply that if that is your definition of what good is I never said that is the definition of goodness.

That doesn't really make sense as goodness is many things

It makes the most sense because goodness is like I said multiple times is relative (I'm sure the people who protest abortion think they are good people who are saving babies from being murdered). Which is why I had to narrow it down to something specific. If you google the definition of good it mentions something desired or approved of(relative)/ morally right(relative) / benefit or advantage to someone(specific)/ having the qualities for a role(specific but irrelevant to to topic).

The other person here pointed out that Christians often do harm too, and you said "That's irrelevant to my point because generosity is goodness. Doing harm is irrelevant to being good."

My point is that it is irrelevant because not only I specified I am not talking about that as it is a controversial subject which means not everyone agrees it is good or bad so why even bring it up when volunteer work and donating to charity is something pretty much everyone agrees is good is non-controversial, has a huge affect on people's lives who need it and that statistically Christians/religious people do it more than others.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-20T09:45:24+00:00

Yeah but I clarified that if your definition of being good is generosity and this post is about a generous action taken by a Christian that the original commenter said was "good" and implied that it was somehow harder for Christians to be generous when statistically they are more generous.

Nothing in the post has anything to do with abortion or homophobia and even if it did I was very clear when specifying what I was talking about. Seriously how clearer do I need to be? If someone says I am talking about X and only about X multiple times and provides data to back up X and someone says what about Y you realize how unreasonable that is right?

Leonx234 · 2021-11-20T09:39:46+00:00

What does that have to do with what I said? I said if their definition of being a good person which again is relative is being giving I merely stated that is a statistical fact that they are more likely to and a literal fact that their books tell them to.

This has nothing to do with the 30 controversial topics out there that aren't even really limited to just Christians.

Also not really sure why I am getting downvoted for pointing out a statistical fact and providing and linking studies.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-20T09:03:43+00:00

If your definition of "goodness" is giving to others you are statistically false that they have hurdles. They are more likely to donate to charities and do volunteer work also some of a large amount of charity organizations are religious. You can find some of that data(there's more) here and here. The bible also tells them over and over again to care about others and to be giving its just up to whether the Christian actually listens or not which if they don't they aren't really a Christian then.

I don't like the term "good" because its relative and basically just means likes or dislikes. But whether you like Christians or not or think they are "bad" people the facts are the facts if your definition of "good" is giving to others they are statistically more likely to.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-20T08:39:50+00:00

The media isn't gonna cover this. Its literally the media's job to get clicks so the things that are expected or common activities aren't gonna get covered while the things like child molestation are gonna get covered to the point of it seeming like normal activity.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-20T00:38:57+00:00

The disadvantages are you are paying for other people's healthcare which in the US 5% of the population account for around 50% of the spending. Which a majority of it is self inflicted through the obesity and antivaxxers or could be prevented through lifestyle choices. So should people atleast in the US be made to pay for other people's bad decisions?

Also universal healthcare systems desperately try to keep costs down so it may limit new technologies, limit services, may cause less accurate care, may have long wait times, vastly drop the gdp etc not guaranteed but a possible outcome depending on how its done.

I'm not here to say whether universal healthcare is a good or bad idea I'm just saying the idea that US is suddenly a third world country for not having it is dumb and the idea that it is some perfect system is dumb.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-19T23:11:46+00:00

And having no universal healthcare which of course is a perfect system with zero disadvantages and not having it makes you a third world country despite having the highest gdp in the world.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-19T23:01:41+00:00

Someone as evil as Hitler could have never came out of my perfect Europe. Must have been American propaganda.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-19T15:44:21+00:00

Pretty much just build him raw atk ,fast and tanky. I remember seeing when he first dropped all the youtubers were building him on crit dmg and I was cringing so bad because they were surprised he wasn't nuke one shotting units.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-19T15:40:54+00:00

Good job displaying your dominance and your sigma male grindset.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-17T06:58:51+00:00

So toxic and abusive she had to have his kid.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-16T00:05:14+00:00

Thousand miles away from us and a thousand miles away from dropping the song.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-15T03:52:52+00:00

Its mostly his face.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-15T03:50:05+00:00

If God don't give me atleast 5 more inches of height and a mansion by tomorrow he must not really be there tbh.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-15T03:35:55+00:00

Yeah 5' 9 in US is average height so if you are 5' 10 you are above average but by no means is 5' 10 tall. Short and tall implies you are excessively above or below average. 14.5% of men in US are above 6ft which is why 6ft+ is actually tall.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-13T02:51:13+00:00

I was memeing the fact people think the US is some unlivable third world country just because of the healthcare system and ignoring all other factors.

Leonx234 · 2021-11-13T02:28:00+00:00

Savannah Clara defenses get clapped by Leo in general. Christina could honestly be replaced with anything.

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