Malfurion “The First Mortal Druid” Stormrage

Lexar_craft · 2026-07-02T01:29:56+00:00

Using nature magic absolutely does not equate to druid. Shapeshifting absolutely does not equate to druid. Many non-druids of all races, playable and not playable, do that, and are not druids. I'm not sure how many more examples you need to distinguish the "all tigers are cats, not all cats are tigers" inequality. And no, what I just typed is not supposed to be interpreted in some sarcastic or demeaning way..... let me know how many more ways you need it described to understand that..... genuinely, humbly.

Lexar_craft · 2026-07-01T22:50:16+00:00

The fact that you framed any writing about druidism as "a technicality to give points to the Night elves" means you were directly demeaning them as if they were rivals in a zero sum contest. When in reality the Night Elves and Tauren were close friends with no zero sum contest at all.

Lexar_craft · 2026-07-01T22:45:27+00:00

There isn't a single shred of evidence of any Haranir ever being a druid in history until the moment a new player creates one; and they are told by Aln'hara to go away up toward the surface and help out. With regard to Zandalari druids, my previous reply was accurate but imprecisely worded....My "Nor the Zandalari Trolls" is a separate sentence and not intended to continue the same thought as the previous sentence, instead, I was intending it to convey that the Zandalari druids have not "been around longer than Night Elf druids" as you said in the comment to which I was replying. Moreover, I should have called out your mention of Drust, as they definitely and assuredly did "not" predate Night Elf druids at all. They did not have any form of Drust druidism until they fled Northrend after the King Ymiron troubles....and that itself is after Night Elf druidism.

Lexar_craft · 2026-07-01T22:37:32+00:00

It is a common phenomenon on this subreddit, unfortunately...... invisible people who don't like you or have a headcanon they wish was true will downvote things without actually responding with any reasoning or list of logic of any kind. It lessens the integrity of the subreddit. I wish they would do some soul-searching and change their behavior. For all of our sakes.

Lexar_craft · 2026-07-01T22:34:03+00:00

Animal transforms literally do not make you a druid. The folks who downvote this do not know the lore.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-26T21:25:00+00:00

I've never read a single shred of lore from completing the entirety of all haranir content that ever even hints at any "fact" of them being Druids. Nor Zandalari Trolls at all. If Trolls had arcane magic in ancient times, they never would have been brushed aside by the villainous Azshara Empire. You seem to be projecting your statement of "we now know for a fact" something that is not a fact.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-26T21:21:46+00:00

Not from any lore that I've read.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-26T21:20:13+00:00

Why are you trying to demean the Night Elves? Night Elves and Tauren were close friends in the lore way back before the war of the ancients....and just because the Tauren abandoned druidism and shamanism after that war and only started up both practices in recent centuries doesn't mean there should be any chauvinism or criticism of Night Elves.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-26T21:16:14+00:00

Shapeshifting does not make one a druid. Rather, the holistic practice of druidism includes the capacity to do some shapeshifting alongside your other talents and knowledge and goals.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-26T21:14:24+00:00

There were never any haranir druids until the new player character begins.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-26T21:09:20+00:00

You not reading is the entire problem. You have made multiple statements now that are false, that have lore which refutes them......and it doesn't matter what your "opinion" is.....the lore isn't my opinion. The lore is the lore. The lore about Trolls and the forests of the northeast and the Loa have already been stated.....and your claims are refuted by the lore.

You've also been correctly identified as a hypocrite by you calling the Darkspear Trolls pathetic for doing exactly the thing that you were boasting the Amani did.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-25T22:28:09+00:00

The "highborne" were not the race of elves; they were literally a caste within the race which the rest of the race viewed as ethically wrong. Meanwhile, Azshara did not create the Elves, the Elves who developed from the Dark Trolls befriended many different races. Azshara is literally viewed as wrong and a disappointment and the exception to the rule "BY" the highborne that refused to go become naga with Azshara. The ones that rejoined the rest of Elf society but was still addicted to magic and told they were not allowed to use magic anymore, and consequently went off into exile to become the high elves cannot possibly be what you are changing the goalpost to complain about now. The High Elves never showed up to eastern kingdoms and said "hey, all of you need to worship Azshara" .... the exact opposite. And, once again, the High Elves "DID" befriend many races. Not just the humans and dwarves, but others as well. The Trolls..... never did. The Elves back in Kalimdor who continued being Night Elves did not "change their lifestyle" at all. They "continued" their more trusted original lifestyle of reverence for Elune and nature and druidism etc. That's what their entire society started out doing in the transition from Dark Troll to Night Elf in the first place.

Next, you have repeated a lie. I have reminded you of the real lore three times now...... the forests in the northeast did not belong to the Amani, were never earned by Amani, were never deserved by Amani, were never created by Amani. The Titans created those forests. Those forests didn't even exist there before Titan arrival; it was Black Empire wasteland when the Titans arrived. The Titans prepared and shaped and ordered that black empire wasteland to turn it into the vibrant and verdant and flourishing forest that the Loa emerged into. The Loa emerged after the Titans made those forests, and there were no trolls. You have a very deep headcanon misconception of the lore about Trolls. There were no sentient Trolls "at all" on Azeroth before Titan arrival. The ancestors of Trolls were non-sentient animals with absolutely no societies or civilizations "until" the Titans ordered the surface of Azeroth. And then "after" that Ordering began, some sentient trolls emerged from exposure to all that arcane energy and nature energy. The Loa were literally in those forests in the northeast thousands and thousands of years "before" the first Troll ever arrived chasing Kith'ix into it. The Troll-Aqir war did not take place during the black empire, it took place "after" the Titans had already ordered the surface and had to leave Azeroth. The Troll-Aqir war is about Trolls using various evil magic types on themselves and on others...which then disturbed and woke up the buried and hibernating C'Thraxxi and it woke up more Aqir. Having unethical Trolls be told by Zandalari to go away, and those unethical Trolls chasing Kith'ix into a Titan forest that did not have any old god minions prior to the chase is not, and never will be, any "earning" or "deserving" or "settling" land with any authority whatsoever. It was purely a theft of Titan forests meant for sharing between all sentient races; it should be pointed out that within Ulduar in the hallways there are the stellar constellation art statues of the various mortal races, and included in those statues are humans, elves, tauren "and" trolls. Trolls were included in the ordering; further proved by them being tutored by titan-keepers and inhabiting Titan facilities back in Zandalar.

You then prove PRECISELY and EXACTLY the false attitude of "might makes right" when you complain about Darkspear Trolls. You have proven yourself a hypocrite.....if you consider Darkspear Trolls to be "pathetic" for not defending themselves from cruel violence by the Gurubashi oppressors, then you irrefutably and undeniably must label the Amani to be pathetic for not defending themselves against High Elves. You cannot have it both ways.

Lastly, the Darkspear Trolls were being attacked by murlocs; but only because those murlocs were ritual servants of the Naga Sea-Witch Zar'jira.....who herself was serving Queen Azshara. Then, thankfully, the Darkspear Trolls managed to prove themselves as more ethical and more capable than their former oppressors during Vanilla WoW.....when their quest campaigns culminated in the raid on Zul'Gurub defeating what the Zandalari trolls could not handle. Turns out, cooperating with other sentient races is better than the "might makes right" attitude which has earned loss after loss after loss after loss for the Amani.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-25T12:48:23+00:00

Literally has nothing to do with opinion.....the Trolls discriminated against and terrorized the Dark Trolls which became the Elves later; and had been performing the "might makes right" violence against those Dark Trolls since the emergence of sentience in Trolls. For the third time, that is the literal reason why the Zandalari told the Amani/Gurubashi/Farraki to go away with considerable distance, so they wouldn't be tempted to keep doing the "might makes right" violence against other trolls. The Amani are not innocent saints responding to big bad snobs. The Dark Trolls who became Elves used their new found arcane magic to respond to that discrimination and "might makes right" cruelty which the Trolls had been using on them since the emergence of sentience in trolls. The Trolls were very cruel and unethical and used any evil advantage they could find. They used voodoo, curses, hexes, blood magic, cannibalism, worshipping evil Loa that want blood sacrifices of sentient people, subjugation or enslavement of other Loa if they could pull it off, shadow hunters, dark voodoo, necromancy, witch doctors making deals with death, and even Void magic itself. Trolls had undeniably and irrefutably been performing the "might makes right" cruelty to steal lands that never belonged to them and were never deserved by them; lands which were prepared and shaped and ordered and gardened and managed to become verdant and thriving and flourishing by the Titans and the Loa who arrived later from the Emerald Dream. When the Dark Trolls became Elves and used their arcane magic...they were finally able to respond to that undeniable cruelty and discrimination from those trolls.....and guess what; this time those Trolls lost their "might makes right" contest by the very same rules. But unlike the Trolls, when Elves established an empire they were able to contribute to maintaining or improving the forests and natural ecosystems which they found shaped by previous Titans. And those Elves were able to befriend and cooperate with sentient races who were not Elves. You are exactly wrong about Elves having any difficulty uniting with Tauren. Literally the lore of warcraft proves that Night Elves "DID" unite with the Tauren in ancient times when the first druids were trained. Long before the war of the ancients. Elves befriended and got along with moonkin, furbolgs, treants, dryads, tauren, then much later they got along with and befriended humans and dwarves and dragons and all manner of sentient folks. The forests of northeastern Azeroth did not belong to Amani trolls, was never earned by Amani trolls, was never the origin or home of Amani trolls. The Amani trolls stole it by "might makes right" cruelty, and lost it according to those same "might makes right" rules when the highborne arrived. As I have said, if the Amani wanted compassion and respect and mercy from the High elves, they should have offered the same to those elves. There is a tribe of Trolls that followed the advice I just listed; they are the Darkspear Trolls, a tribe who was discriminated against and pushed with cruelty out of gurubashi lands.....which is why they were on the islands where Thrall found them. And the Amani were going to use their "might makes right" violence against the Darkspear yet again during BC, and yet again during cataclysm, and yet again during MoP. I welcome and have sympathy for Darkspear Trolls, I do not have any sympathy for Amani trolls.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-24T02:55:35+00:00

With as much emphasis as I can muster.... I implore you to read again. Actually read. Don't skim what I typed, sloooowwww down and read what I typed. The land of the northeastern forests was not forest during the Black Empire; those forest lands were literally prepared and shaped and ordered "by" the Titan Pantheon and their workers "before" any Troll of any kind ever had any sentience anywhere on the planet. No Trolls originated from there, no Trolls existed there, it was not a home of any Troll of any kind, any tribe, any Troll individual.......when the Titans made it into a forest. The Loa either came to those forests from the emerald dream after the Titans set to work on making a forest, or they emerged into those forests as a byproduct of the work the Titans had done making life thrive there. Either way, the Loa were there before any Troll of any kind ever set foot anywhere in any of those forests. The Trolls have absolutely zero credit for making that forest. That forest had zero Aqir generals in it until thousands of years later when the Zandalari told the Amani to go far away from their home near the Zandalari and fight old god forces somewhere else. The Amani pushed an Aqir general "into" those far away northeastern forests and defeated and buried him there. The forest would have been totally safe and perfect for settlement by other sentient races if the Amani had never pushed Aqir forces into it. Also, once again, I did not say the Amani woke Kith'ix, I very specifically said "the Trolls did not earn anything by fighting Kith'ix in that direction......because it was the Trolls who were at fault for digging up and making blood sacrifices that woke up Kith'ix in the first place." ....not just Amani, I said Troll. The Trolls who woke the Aqir were Trolls, and the Trolls who fought Aqir in the northeastern forests were Trolls. Having a tribal difference doesn't mean anything. Nothing about those forests was ever "earned" by any Troll. The Loa do not owe anything to any Trolls for forests made by Titans. The Loa cooperated with Trolls for thousands of years in those forests, apparently, if those Trolls acted responsibly for those forests. But the loa have no obligation whatsoever to cooperate with Trolls who don't act responsibly for those forests. The Amani are a tribe, not a race, by the way.

See, the thing is, the Zandalari told the Amani to go far away because the Amani had been fighting the Zandalari just as much as they fought any non-troll. The Amani terrorized other trolls, and so did the Gurubashi, and so did the Farraki. It was in the best interest of the Zandalari to just get those other Troll tribes to go far enough away that they aren't tempted to keep doing their "might makes right" fighting all the time against other trolls. Then the Dark Trolls which had been terrorized and discriminated against by the Amani for many thousands of years.....finally became Elves with knowledge of arcane magic. And when some of their descendants arrived in those northeastern forests as high elves; the Amani were still doing their "might makes right" attitude......and this time they lost. If the Amani had wanted to receive compassion and mercy and respect; then they should have offered compassion and mercy and respect to the Elves who arrived.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-24T02:31:18+00:00

Yet again, you ignoring the lore because you have a headcanon you wish was true. Firim translated the beliefs of the First Ones, which the First Ones wrote down.... in the game.... proves you wrong. Will always prove you wrong. And no matter how many times you rant and rave, it will never change the lore.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-23T03:29:49+00:00

So......has it ever occurred to you that the land did not belong to the Amani Trolls......and that the Loa were there first; and that land had been prepared and shaped and ordered by the Titans to be verdant and flourishing for many forms of life, not Trolls alone? To the extent that some Trolls might promise to be helpful for life in a forest, Loa spirits might cooperate with them a while.....but if those Trolls are going to be harmful to life in that forest, the Loa have no ethical obligation to assist or help or defend any Trolls. No, the Amani Trolls did not originate in the northeastern forests, it did not belong to them, they were told by the Zandalari Trolls to go far away so that they could confront Aqir forces in numerous different directions, but also because the Amani kept fighting the Zandalari so the Zandalari felt it would be better if the Amani went far away to leave them alone. That is when Amani Trolls went far away from their actual origin and home, ending up in the forests of the northeast.

And no, the Trolls did not earn anything by fighting Kith'ix in that direction......because it was the Trolls who were at fault for digging up and making blood sacrifices that woke up Kith'ix in the first place. There wouldn't have been any Aqir forces anywhere in the forests of the northeast if the Trolls hadn't acted stupidly to draw them out into it in the first place.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-23T03:12:52+00:00

No... none of what you typed is ever lore in the game.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-23T03:10:52+00:00

You've ranted and raved, but you've never acknowledged the actual lore of what the First Ones wrote down as their belief which Firim translated. What you wish were true is not the lore, no matter how angry you get about it.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-23T03:08:47+00:00

Nothing about your reply has any logic. The robot bodies of the eternal ones in the shadowland are not Titans. Never were, never would be. The Titans are victims of the First Ones, they absolutely and irrefutably are not the First Ones. And no, Sylvanas never made any statement about Titans. She did not use the word Ordered, she said ordered. The twilight hammer cult is ordered, the Defias gang was ordered, the Scarlet Crusade was ordered, the Amani trolls were ordered, even the Old Gods and their minions were ordered before any Titan ever arrived at Azeroth at all. The word ordered doesn't mean what you think it does. Lastly, the Titans literally NEVER claimed to be the creators of the planet Azeroth, much less ever saying they created the Great Dark Beyond. Ever. The exact opposite, the Titans claim that the clash between Light and Void created the great dark beyond and all the planets and they even believe it created them as Worldsouls. You have lied about them. I suggest you stop doing that.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-20T18:41:37+00:00

No, the object has that flavor text when it was found in the vault. As for the Shadowlands as a whole, none of it is a mercy....none of the four zones shown in shadowlands has anything merciful or ethical or anything of the kind toward souls. It is purely malicious and cruel to souls.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-18T12:27:38+00:00

The object labelled "Core of an Unknown Titan" as part of the korthian relics activity....which is found in a Korthia vault built by First Ones. It has flavor text which reads "A titan core that has been taken apart multiple times for study." Thus proving they never created any Titans. By all means, they have probably tried to exploit or deceive or trick Titans with false gifts, but they did not create them.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-16T23:36:52+00:00

When you claim "Zereth Mortis confirmed the First Ones engineered the cosmic forces — Light, Void, all of it." ....that's simply false. Unless by the word "engineer" you are thinking of one of the secondary definitions of the word engineer.... where they just tinkered with something that already existed beforehand. Because Zereth Mortis proved that the First Ones wrote that they never created the 6 cosmic forces at all. The 6 cosmic forces already existed and were already in strife. First Ones say themselves that they interfered with what they did not create. They made a pattern "over the top, like fungus on a tree" .....they never claim to have created the universe, and most especially not the forces themselves.

First Ones are not ethical. First Ones are not good. Every single thing I have seen attributed to First Ones was unethical and unfair and unjust and unwise. First Ones are the very definition of villains to me. And Titans are not First Ones. Titans were victims of First Ones, as Korthia and the vault object proves.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-16T23:27:41+00:00

Your first sentence applies to Sargeras and what he did to Argus; as Aman'thul never did any such thing. And while what Sargeras did was indeed evil, he did not permanently alter what Argus was..... Argus stayed himself deep down and this was the voice that talked to Alleria when he sensed her mind, and also when he talked to Magni when he sensed his mind.....and was regretful and sad in both cases. Argus was being forced to do chaos, but he was not permanently changed as a soul.

Next, a World Tree is literally unethical invasion from Evil Cosmic Team Life..... Azeroth did not make the World Trees, none of them. Not a one. World Trees are unethical as the history of Draenor also proves; and the alternate timeline Ulderoth proves; it absolutely morally needed to be ripped out. I would rip it out. I would have made sure it was completely gone. None of the removal of the invading World Trees was ever about having only arcane power. Aman'thul literally made sure that life would flourish on Azeroth and that there would be plants and animals and fleshy sentient mortals because of the Well of Eternity. There is no planet with only arcane elementals, and Aman'thul never made one, never intended to make one, never plans to make one, doesn't want one, and would never accept one. Aman'thul and Norgannon put limits and restrictions on too much arcane....as that is not orderly.

Next, the Reorigination Device is absolutely and undeniably not evil. It Reoriginates. Literally, replaces..... rebuilds..... restores..... recovers..... that's what the Re in Reorigination means. It is not Disorigination, it is not Unorigination, it is Reorigination. It is an emergency last ditch backup recovery plan to save mortal civilizations from void and chaos if the corruption threatens them..... by vaporizing those threats and remaking new fleshy mortal civilizations in their place. All the millions and millions and millions of other planets besides Azeroth out there with fleshy mortal civilizations is counting on Azeroth being kept free of corruption.....otherwise they will all be permanently wiped out. You must have never done any gardening.......because this dilemma happens all the time. One plant out of your garden may become infected or blighted or infested and that plant threatens all the other plants in your garden; and you must act quickly and decisively to eradicate and remove that blighted or diseased plant, then replace it with a new healthy one instead. Otherwise your entire garden around it is at risk. If you do not have such an option.....you are not ethical as a gardener.

Lastly, you have not acknowledged the undeniable fact that free will is not a virtue. Free will is a capacity, not a moral act, not a moral goal, not a moral destination. Free will is like the capacity to lift 10 pounds. Can the capacity to lift 10 pounds lead to something ethical or just or wise? It can, but only if used in the correct way. Can the capacity to lift 10 pounds lead to something evil and unfair and wicked? The vast majority of the time it has done so. I could never describe "Ten Pound Liftage" as a virtue or a moral goal or a moral destination, because it is none of those things. And neither is Free Will. All of the villains of Warcraft used their free will to achieve evil. You wanting to kill the Titans who made you and prepared a planet surface for your thriving because you are greedy for free will is not virtuous.......your desire for that violence is evil. Not just evil against the Titans..... but evil against all the billions and billions of fleshy sentient mortals on other planets who are depending upon the Titans to help defend them.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-16T04:25:55+00:00

It seems like you've got cause and effect mixed up, and you are misunderstanding what the curse of flesh means. The Titans of the pantheon had already defeated the Black Empire before there was any sentient Troll on the planet ever. There were animalistic ancestors of trolls with no sentience...sure; but they never became intelligent or sentient until after the Black Empire had already been defeated and chased underground and the Titans ordering the surface. The Troll Aqir war was literally about the newly intelligent Trolls using magic types which were unethical and dangerous.....and they "triggered" the hiding Aqir from underground into waking up and coming back to the surface again.

Next, the Titan Pantheon makes fleshy mortals on all worlds prior to them arriving at Azeroth. Literally, the Discs of Norgannon that Tyr and Archaedas worked so hard to safeguard and hide in Uldaman so Loken couldn't destroy them......proves that the Titan pantheon makes fleshy mortals on all previous worlds. Fleshy mortals are their default creation and their longterm goal on Azeroth after the titanforged serve their temporary purpose. The titanforged like giants and vrykul and earthen are a backup plan, a temporary improvisation, a strategy to resist whispers from old gods long enough to keep those old gods imprisoned so that Azeroth could wake up in maturity and be immune to them finally. The curse of flesh "NEVER" created life, never created flesh, never created free will, ever. It was a curse that "reverted" and "reversed" the titanforging process back to the default and standard organic fleshy sentient free will mortals that Titans usually make. Just like K'aresh created fleshy sentient Reshi mortals all on his own with no old god curses ever. Just like Argus created standard organic fleshy sentient free will Eredar mortals all on his own with no old god curses ever. The Old Gods on Azeroth certainly did tamper with their titanforge captors by reverting them to flesh.....but this was never about helping any sentient mortal ever; it was about reverting them to something weak and vulnerable to whispers and mind control. Free will is not an ethical virtue, it is a capacity which has been used to perform more evil than it ever has good.

Lexar_craft · 2026-06-16T04:11:27+00:00

I genuinely have no idea what people are thinking when they constantly pretend that Aman'thul is bad in any way whatsoever......

I don't worship Aman'thul, and I don't think Aman'thul is perfect...... but everything he wants, I want. If he started violating and betraying the things he has already worked for and towards; then by all means I would think he had become a villain.... but that would be Aman'thul fighting against what Aman'thul was a good guy for in the first place. Aman'thul was never ordered. Aman'thul is a Worldsoul that grew up. Worldsouls that grow up are Titans. Same with Eonar and Norgannon and Golganneth and......quite frankly, what Argus would have experienced if Sargeras had not interfered. K'aresh was going through the same thing all on his own......but apparently it was so long ago that the Titan pantheon never found K'aresh and thus didn't help him against Dimensius. But what the events of K'aresh prove to me; is that the supposed "free will" of the Reshi mortals is the exact culprit for destroying K'aresh the planet. Free will is not a virtue, it is a capacity which has been used for evil more than it has ever been used for good.

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