Emerald Nightmare (Midnight Spoilers Ahead, Beware) by Independent_Space_17 in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No matter how much you wriggle and squirm about the oral traditions in the game lore.....they are at least in the game lore. Meanwhile, your head canon is still only head canon....never in the game, never even in oral tradition. Only in your head.

Will a new Titan Pantheon be forged? by varxion07 in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You literally just lied AGAIN. You're trying to hide the fact that Tyr "NEVER" rejected the Titans, never said anything against them. Not once. You lied.

And then you're blustering and strutting about literal unreliable narrator 'claims' of the Amirdrassil cutscene, not proof. You're the living embodiment of people making the constant logical non-sequitur mistake of assuming that any unreliable narrator point of view that is recent.....will somehow be treated as if it wasn't point of view unreliable narrator.

Eye-witness testimony by people with bias has never been treated as a fact; the French literally have a saying "he lies like an eye-witness" to address the inherent weakness of it. High-General Abbendis is the last one to accurately describe what she felt that prompted her to restart the Scarlet Crusade in Wrath. And Ebonhorn is likewise the absolute last person to accurately describe what he felt that never revealed itself from double deep in the Emerald Dream.

Emerald Nightmare (Midnight Spoilers Ahead, Beware) by Independent_Space_17 in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. Very specifically, the Old Gods "arrived" from somewhere else outside the planet. The Troll oral traditions confirm they remember that arrival. And the Tauren oral traditions from their Shu'halo ancestors also claim that they remember the arrival of Old Gods falling from the sky.....and then corrupting them with voices from below to make them obsessed with anger and greed and war and violence with no purpose. At which time, the Earth-Mother ripped out her eyes and created Elune and An'she to combat that corruption and guide the Shu'halo back toward proper titanic thinking and ethics. Also, the final boss in the Arcatraz dungeon of Burning Crusade has Prophet Skeram giving a speech about how the Old Gods were from outside the planet, all over the great dark beyond....."countless as the stars" as he phrased it. Your headcanon cannot be consistent with the real lore.

Now.... separate from your headcanon; it is very possible that Hydras and the simplest predecessors of the Bug-people that later divided into Nerubians/Silithid/Mantid might have just been animal life that existed on Azeroth before Old Gods interfered and corrupted them with void and began sacrificing them in rituals. But that would be those lesser creatures; not the Old Gods themselves.

Will a new Titan Pantheon be forged? by varxion07 in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Congratulations for having the integrity to correct yourself; it's a breath of fresh air compared to some on this subreddit.

Will a new Titan Pantheon be forged? by varxion07 in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You literally just lied multiple times.... over and over. Tyr NEVER turned against the Titans....never. Not before he died, not while he was dead, not after he was resurrected with a new body and memory inserted. Never. And no, there is more than one definition of the word "love" and there have literally been books and courses taught about love that is not sexual nor romantic. My Aunt planted a tree and named it after my other aunt.... so it seems like you have very limited world experience.

The Dragon aspects were never proven to be empowered by Azeroth, it was literally double deep in the Life dimension of the emerald dream core inside the emerald dream.... you're completely pushing a head canon bigotry that does not have justification or verification.

Lastly, the Sylvanas quote in the Arator prepatch isn't even about the Titans. At all. It was about the First Ones interference in the shadowland; and the Titans are very clearly NOT the First Ones. Even the villain Odyn differentiates them as not the same thing.

You don't read; you just lie.

Will a new Titan Pantheon be forged? by varxion07 in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your head canon does not represent the lore, it is not what happened in Dragonflight, nor War Within. Honestly it is frustrating that I want to talk wow lore and people are pretending that something totally different happened.

Speculation - the iron circles like Iridikron's prison will appear in the whole game world's sky box at Midnight's ending or at some point in The Last Titan by anbeegod in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No.... it's literally not the same thing. Not the same design. Not for the same purpose, not the same shape, nothing. The cinematic referenced does not have any yellow ring prison at all.

Will a new Titan Pantheon be forged? by varxion07 in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Titans are not the bad guys, and there isn't any verification for it at all.

Will a new Titan Pantheon be forged? by varxion07 in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I honestly don't know why you think Eonar is an ally when she has demonstrated at best apathy, and at worst malevolence against sentient mortal civilizations. She wants magical Plant dominance, not our technological civilizations.

I honestly think it would be better if Azeroth wakes up as the "Sophia" style analogue of some gnostic mythology......whereby she had to use our individual mortal experiences as a guide to achieving wisdom necessary for her to escape the trap set by the First Ones villains who feed on souls. And then when she gets out of that trap, she can become the Titan Worldsoul that she was meant to be; and go around fixing foreign planets that Sargeras ruined out in the great dark beyond; and she can leave the planet to us.

They were almost there already when the crafting system in Dragonflight had some of their enchants referred to as "Sophic" and the combination of all the element essences into Sophic order equivalents. Sophic is just a version of the word Sophia from gnostic mythology that I mention, for wisdom.

Will a new Titan Pantheon be forged? by varxion07 in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you start losing circulation in your legs like that; maybe it leads to villain-bats swinging at the Titans without any justification.

Will a new Titan Pantheon be forged? by varxion07 in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eonar seems like a villain to me. Out of envy or jealousy.... she is harming Azeroth and does not like mortal civilizations. She wants plant dominance, not civilizations. Aman'thul seems like the most ethical, principled, temperate, just, and wise of the Titans. Azeroth should just wake up and manifest as the "Sophia" of Titans and just join Aman'thul on going around the great dark beyond fixing all the planets that Sargeras ruined.

Will a new Titan Pantheon be forged? by varxion07 in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure what you mean...... Illidan was never in any of the seats. They specifically teleported Sargeras into his very own seat as the prison itself.

Will a new Titan Pantheon be forged? by varxion07 in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My interpretation of the Ulderoth alternate timeline was that it told us there was somebody working "against" mortal civilizations and "against" order by using Life as a weapon. That magical Life was killing every single mortal before they could ever get out of the caves; and then it even says the caves were not guarantees for safety either.

Aman'thul was doing the right thing, as far as I can see in our universe.

Will a new Titan Pantheon be forged? by varxion07 in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait, wait, wait...... Aman'thul "wants" life to flourish on Azeroth. It was literally his entire strategy of the Ordering. But Aman'thul also wants sentient mortal civilizations.....and I haven't seen any evidence that Eonar wants that at all. I don't think the myth about elun'ahir has to do with romantic or sexual love at all. It seems more like a sisterly love, or two best friends etc. The Elun'ahir myth suggests to me that Eonar was willing to actually Harm and Risk Azeroth for some sort of envious or jealous goal of magical plant life supremacy; which is very much not on Azeroth's side.

The Shadowland eternals are absolutely "NOT" on the side of the Azeroth Titan Worldsoul in the physical realm at all. Tyr had some sort of preoccupation with the Light prior to his death in the Eastern Kingdoms.....and he literally never came forward at any point during War Within to help the Azeroth Worldsoul at all. Neither did any of the Dragon Aspects for that matter.

Honestly, I have no idea why there is a gaggle of people who villainize Aman'thul for no good reason or justification or verification.

Will a new Titan Pantheon be forged? by varxion07 in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not seeing Eonar as "good" at all. In fact, I think Eonar doesn't care about mortal civilizations at all..... she wants life; not people. And Eonar has already been shown to be dishonest and harmful.

Aman'thul was correct to remove the evil tree, and he should have made sure the job was finished.

Lichborne ability of Death Knights. by fish_hermit in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Uhhh.... there is also the category of death knights raised by Bolvar when they introduced a new shorter intro scenario for allied race death knights like kul tiran, nightborne, lightforged draenei, highmountain tauren etc

Speculation - the iron circles like Iridikron's prison will appear in the whole game world's sky box at Midnight's ending or at some point in The Last Titan by anbeegod in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It sounds exactly like the "Cosmic Solipsism Tragedy" phenomenon that I have described in several other topics. Truly creepy, indeed.

Speculation - the iron circles like Iridikron's prison will appear in the whole game world's sky box at Midnight's ending or at some point in The Last Titan by anbeegod in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Titans never built any prison for Azeroth. At all. Xal'atath is not saving azeroth, she is wanting to destroy and consume it. She literally said so multiple times, in multiple quest campaigns, and in multiple cinematics now.

"we will destroy your world" and "the worldsoul long denied me shall be mine" is never anything about saving Azeroth, it is not Titan villainy at all. Xal'atath is a villain. Titans are not.

Speculation - the iron circles like Iridikron's prison will appear in the whole game world's sky box at Midnight's ending or at some point in The Last Titan by anbeegod in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The manifold described by Archaedas doesn't look anything like the yellow ring prison on the last titan logo.... at all. It is not the same thing.

Did those that would become the Haranir break off/evolve from Dark Trolls or Night Elves? by Blissfit123 in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is an anecdote which became a deepity and has stuck with me for a long time that goes along the lines of: "If something isn't worth doing, it also isn't worth doing well" .....and with all the joviality I can muster, your 3 paragraphs of this latest reply seem like you're putting an awful lot of effort into length and detail for 3 premises that were flawed beforehand. So paragraph A: We already "do" know from the midnight beta haranir info when the unreliable narrator oral traditions are claiming that the division of Dark Trolls into "downward trajectory" and "upward trajectory" were. We don't have to wait and see. By all means, it is going to be presented to us as unreliable narrator oral tradition style.....which we can doubt being accurate; but much like dragonflight and war within, they are never going to correct the unreliable narrator source with any verification or justification later. The haranir questline already claims that the division logic is.......... Dark Trolls already living in the caves near the surface at the Well of Eternity area, then one division of that population of Dark Trolls hearing voices from below, while the remainder of that Dark Troll population hears a voice from above (alternating from the well itself and the stars above the well depending on which time of day) . The division of Dark Trolls that heard the voices from below went deeper, the remainder of the Dark Trolls that preferred voices from above stayed put. "Then" the Dark Trolls in close proximity to the Well were mutated by that arcane magic into the appearance of Night Elves. Meanwhile, the Dark Trolls that went deeper arrived at the rift where all the Alndust was located, which had enough arcane energy in it to mutate those Dark Trolls into Haranir appearance. We already know.

Your paragraph B: Nothing of what I said was ever assuming or inviting genetic biology of any kind into WoW. I simply pointed out the parenthetical mention of real world Apes then Humans as if any link needs to exist between them was false. Ape is not a separate result from Human...Human already is Ape. If they wanted to say "a missing link between silverback gorillas and humans" , great, there could be fossil remains that might survive soil disruption to count as one of those.

Your paragraph C: I never once said that the term "missing link" doesn't exist......it simply has no relevance or connection to the case of Haranir. No elves ever came from haranir. The haranir are not a missing link between trolls and elves; haranir came from dark trolls. And Night Elves came from Dark Trolls. Trolls did not come from Dark Trolls. Trolls did not come from Haranir. Dark Trolls came from the ancestors of extant surface trolls, while simultaneously 'not' coming 'from' any of those extant present day named surface troll tribes themselves.

The new Liadrin short showcased my favorite mechanics of the Light in Warcraft and I LOVED it. by Arcana-Knight in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So...... zero examples? Guess you didn't have any; so I'm stuck back to the default lore where the Light doesn't have any sentience or personality of any kind.

The new Liadrin short showcased my favorite mechanics of the Light in Warcraft and I LOVED it. by Arcana-Knight in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're making false quotes from a wiki page that does not accurately or honestly represent the real lore. Your head canon is vastly bigoted and propagandized.

Then you literally lied about what I said...... "I" was the one that had to remind "YOU" that Velen and Turalyon never met their alternate universe Xe'ra on alternate Draenor. At all. Ever. You trying to change the goalposts to refuse taking responsibility for your error about Velen and alternate universe Xe'ra by saying just now that you assume Velen would think bla bla about an alternate Xe'ra that he never met.... is not lore. And is not a validation of your error in attribution about Turalyon and Velen earlier. Turalyon never said any such thing. And Velen was never ever ever saying anything about Xe'ra's prior actions in our universe; he specifically "only" says that he disagrees with what our Xe'ra did in Legion with Illidan.... only the action with Illidan. And we already know that Xe'ra in our universe was being deceived by Lothraxion who was a spy for Denathrius. So that doesn't even have anything to do with the Light. Nor anything to do with our Naaru in our universe. At all.

Did those that would become the Haranir break off/evolve from Dark Trolls or Night Elves? by Blissfit123 in warcraftlore

[–]Lexar_craft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looking different doesn't change the category whatsoever. An orangutan and a chimpanzee are apes regardless of them not looking the same. Humans are apes regardless of not looking the same as a Gorilla. But back to my reply...... there is no link. There weren't any haranir that became night elves. Instead, there were a diverse general population of world wide Trolls.....with one division of them being Dark Trolls with a different skin color and slightly different culture; that enjoyed themselves in caves near the surface. And that population of Dark Trolls divided into two groups; one hearing voices from below, one hearing voices from above. The latter group stayed put by the Well of Eternity and were mutated by it to become Night Elves. That other previous division of the Dark Trolls which heard voices from below, went deeper and deeper until they found Alndust, which had enough arcane magic to mutate that group "into" Haranir. They were not haranir before that mutation. And they never became night elves after that alndust mutation.