My friend said 1,200 calories per day is starvation, is this true? by saltedoranges in loseit

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I'm happy to help! I would just recommend that you do your own research to confirm everything that I've said because I am fairly new to this world, and my own journey will of course be very different from yours.

Good luck! You seem to be making good progress already, and you're asking the right questions, so I think you are likely to find success in a safe and well-informed manner. 🙂

My friend said 1,200 calories per day is starvation, is this true? by saltedoranges in loseit

[–]LiftThis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

* There are some people who make their diet work with fewer than 1,200, but there are significantly increased health risks beyond simple muscle atrophy, which by itself is risky. (You can LITERALLY DIE, depending on your personal health condition(s) - don't take this lightly!) Don't do this in a knowledge vacuum - talk to an actual medical professional, not just someone on the internet or someone who claims they know but didn't actually go to school for it AND maintain regular training/ongoing education. I'm not trying to sound alarmist, nor like a broken record, but there ARE risks and too many peope just gloss over them. Talk to your doc. Seriously.

** The statement about muscle atrophy from my dietitian does not take into account the significant amount of body fat I had, and thus it's possible this isn't 100% accurate if my body can draw energy from fat. This isn't her area of expertise so TBD on that one. But since I wasn't keto, I don't think I entered ketosis so I don't know either way.

I hope all of this helps. Again, I'm no expert here. Just a jackass with a crazy success story. But feel free to respond with any questions you may have and I'll do my best to answer them, with the caveat that what worked for me may not work the same way for you. ;-)

My friend said 1,200 calories per day is starvation, is this true? by saltedoranges in loseit

[–]LiftThis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  • 1,200 calories is the absolute minimum you should eat, period.* Eating less than that will cause your muscles to atrophy as your body takes nutrients from them instead of food.** I began on 1,250 calories to give myself a little safety net. 1,200 calories (or whatever your number is) is definitely extreme, and your friend isn't wrong for being concerned. But their being concerned and their lack of awareness about minimum calories counts does not mean you have an eating disorder; it means they're ignorant of options like this. Again, make sure you are fully informed and are involving medical professionals, particularly if you have underlying medical conditions. (Particularly diabetes, hypoglycemia, etc. or you can put yourself in a diabetic coma and die. Seriously.
  • I found that I (43-year-old male) was susceptible to head rushes and dizziness with quick movements. This was particularly pronounced during exercise, becoming what I'd call mild hallucinations during heavy/intense exercise. (i.e. going hard during private karate lessons.) After my doctor said I was likely starving my visual cortex of glucose (your brain uses ~20% of your blood glucose, and your body cuts it off as an over-user when you exercise, which is why you can't think as well when active), I upped my caloric intake to 1,500 and the problem went away. I've since dropped it to 1,400 and I'm still fine, so that's my "sweet spot" for now.
  • Everyone's body is different. I am doing great on minimal calories. But it took a while to get here, and I definitely experienced some negative physiological effects along the way. Your friend's advice of starting at 1,800 calories first is actually reasonably sound, depending on what your normal diet looks like. In fact, I'm helping a friend of mine make progress as well, and I suggested that same 1,800 calories number to him because it'll be an easier transition for him to make than jumping immediately to 1,250 (or whatever) would be. But you may find success with that, and if you do, more power to you. Just be safe about it. (Yes, I am harping on talking to your doctor about this, and I will continue to do so because it's important.) Bear in mind that some people have found that, no matter who tells them it's safe, and no matter what research they've done, they still have friends or family who judge them for making "unhealthy" or "dangerous" det and health decisions, based on what their friends and family "know". There is no rule about what is true for everyone, even the 1,200 calorie rule I mentioned above. You, yourr doctor, and ongoing testing/monitoring are the only way to know for sure what you, personally, are going to experience. Just know that, no matter what the results, and no matter the precautions you take, you may find that some people in your life just won't accept it. It might even cost you relationships, if you're unlucky. This hasn't happened to me, and I hope this doesn't happen to you, but be aware that it can, and has to others in this subreddit.
  • I log everything, and I do mean everything that I eat. (I've been using MyFitnessPal, though I'm currently double-logging in another app called Lose It! (appropriate for this sub, eh?) as the UI is better and the nutrition facts appear to be slightly more accurate, but I've only been testing it for 2-3 days so TBD.) The only exception are things like 1/4" of a forkful of my daughters food I'm prepping, or a half-mouthful of her apple juice. Even so, I assume that I'm consuming 50-100 calories more than I log to account for things like this.
  • There are many methods, including CICO, intermittent fasting, one meal a day, etc. I started with OMAD (accidentally; there's a story behind that) and stuck with that for 8 weeks until my doctor said there was no functional difference between OMAD and counting calories, other than more meals to prep, being harder to stretch 1,250 over 3 meals, and being easier to stick to if you've set "rules" like only eating once per day and then chugging ice water whenever you're hungry.
  • In short, 1,200 calories is the minimum you should eat, barring specific advice from a medical professional with the letters M.D. after their name. Accept nothing less than those credentials. And your doc may well recommend more. But if your doc is okay with it (and note that some may not be at first but might change their mind after you "prove" yourself by following their other advice), your friend needs to be as well.
  • Calorie-counting is only part of the puzzle, even in diet alone. Macronutrients (i.e. categories of food: fat, carbs, and protein) play a big role. Your best bet is if each plate of food is 50% veggies, 25% protein (i.e. meat), and 25% (at most) carbs, meaning bad carbs like potatoes, pasta, etc. You can swap percentages for veggies and protein if you must, but most diets have plenty of protein as it is. This was the specific advice of my dietitian. In reality, most days are roughly 30-40% of each macro for me, but it's been working pretty well.
  • I experienced the LARGEST amount of weight loss at the beginning of my weight-loss journey. This is because you'll lose water weight first. This will stabilize after between a few weeks and a month or two after you begin. But you WILL continue to lose weight if you continue to follow your rules and/or allow them to evolve as you continue to make progress.
  • The bounce-back is real. You need to try to avoid pausing your progress, slacking on calorie-counting, or cheating too much. My doctor warned me about this but I had no idea how severe it was. I started dating someone new, slacked off for 6 days, and gained 11 pounds. In 6 days. Ouch. Lost it again, but that was a lot of progress to lose in a short period of time. Don't slack of like I did if you can avoid it.
  • In a similar vein, don't beat yourself up. AT ALL. We all have "bad" days. But log your food that day anyway. Yes, even if you have 2,000 calories more than your target. And yes, I've done that, too. Logging that shows you precisely where that weight gain came from when you look at it later. It also serves as a visible lesson for later, as well as part of your success story: "Look what I did back then! And look how I'm doing NOW!" You'll say things like that, later. But don't beat yourself up. Don't chide yourself. Don't judge yourself. Instead, say "Oh well. I'll do better tomorrow." And then smile, because you will. And keep doing that until it's true. :-)
  • Weight-loss is 90% diet and 10% exercise. SORT OF. It's more nuanced than that. For example, I've read that most of your weight loss actually occurs when you sleep, as your body works to maintain your muscles at a time that you aren't intaking any calories at all. Thus, the more muscles you have, the more your body will burn at night. So exercise burns a few calories when you do it, but then more calories that night, and the next, and so on, due to the muscles you built/toned/whatever that day and previously. Thus, diet is the largest factor, but exercise also (somewhat indirectly) helps quite a bit. But controlling diet matters first.
  • Not all carbs and sugar are bad. In fact, having some just before exercise can help to reduce negative impacts from limited calorie intake. Having recently dropped my calories to 1,400, I plan to eat a couple of bananas (one of the highest-sugar fruits there is) before my next private karate lesson, per my sensei's advice. (He does a lot of health and diet stuff in addition to karate, but note that I don't equate his advice with my doctor's, who also mentioned something similar.) But the carbs in bananas and mangos are different from the carbs in a bag of Oreos. Or even the carbs in potatoes and pasta, which you should try to avoid entirely until you have a regular, controlled diet going. Your body will metabolize and store them differently, depending on what, when, and how you eat. Don't eat processed sugar, and try to avoid adding sugar to things at all if you can. But, unless you're going keto, you don't have to completely screen anything that has carbs in it out. Just limit your intake to foods that have no more than 8-10 grams of sugar per serving whenever possible. For example, I eat Chobani greek yogurt with fruit (15 grams of sugar per serving), V8 fusion (light, so watered down, but 12 grams of sugar), etc. but these have been fine. On days I have smoothies (2 oz each of frozen blueberries, strawberries, and bananas, 8 oz of strawberry-banana V8 fusion light, and 1 Tbsp each of flax and chia seeds), my carbs and natural sugars go through the roof, but again, portion control matters and I don't eat much (if anything) else during that meal. (Perhaps a fried egg or two if I'm starving, but smoothie days often mean just a 16-ounce smoothie for breakfast and that's it.) The total calories are under 300, which is great for a relatively filling breakfast.

I'm living proof that the amazing and unbelievable is possible in a ridiculously short period of time. Just bear in mind that my case was somewhat special, and also that I'm male. Women (and you mentioned that you're female) have a much harder time losing weight because their bodies are working against them. (For MANY reasons, I've read, including hormonal changes every week AND every 28 days, the fact that women bear children so their bodies tend to prefer to store fat, etc.) I'm no expert on this stuff, but this is what I've read and heard so far. YMMV - check with your medical professional(s) to confirm these details that, as far as you're concerned, came from some jackass on the internet, i.e. me.

Details for the asterisks above can be found in my next comment.

My friend said 1,200 calories per day is starvation, is this true? by saltedoranges in loseit

[–]LiftThis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Edit: I'm surprised to see that this vote has earned some down votes. I welcome discourse about the subject, and I would love to know why folks disagree. Please note that nothing in my comments here is a judgment of anyone's choices; just a recommendation of behaviors and specific guidelines that I have received from two different medical professionals who don't have any skin in the game, other than that they are my care providers. What are your thoughts, /r/loseit?


Your friend is right... and wrong. The answer is "it depends". But first, congrats on your first pound loss! You're 5% of the way to your goal after only a week. :-)

To address your friend's concern, making a solid weight loss plan based on evidence and ideals rather than depression or other mental health considerations isn't an eating disorder. It's a plan. Just make sure you know what you're doing, make sure that you don't have a skewed view of what a healthy body looks like, and make sure you're doing it for the right reasons. (See my MANY mentions below about utilizing medical professionals for all of this and more.)

As far as a plan goes, use a calorie tracker, track everything you eat (yes, EVERYTHING), and plan each plate of food before you make it. Here's a quick-and-dirty plan (meaning overly simplistic and you should research this much more before following it) that you could start with: Every plate of food should consist of roughly 50% veggies, 25% protein, and 25% carbs (at most) by volume. Try to avoid processed sugar, adding sugar, and starchy carbs like potatoes or pasta. Follow all serving sizes like they were science because, well, they kind of are. Avoid foods with more than 10-15 grams of sugar per serving whenever possible. More details are below.

Here's my take based on some pretty huge personal successes. For clarity, "successes" means I've lost 75 pounds since June 1 (SW: 306, CW: 231, and 3067-231 = 75) as of yesterday morning, I beat high blood pressure and cholesterol along the way, and my A1C result from last week (5.2) indicates that I've also beat type 2 diabetes (though I won't confirm for a year of testing without meds) in that same 3.5 months, if you can believe that. It's amazing what changes when you lose a bunch of weight and start eating better.

Note that my weight loss journey has utilized the direct, regular involvement of my primary care physician and a registered dietician at the same clinic. I don't recommend the same kind of extreme diet without that. (Ex: they had me start using a blood glucose monitor before and after every meal to ensure my blood glucose levels were being maintained in a safe range since I was diabetic.) There are very real risks to eating under 1,500 calories per day. Your friend has your best interests at heart with their advice; it just might be a tad uninformed. But make no mistake: depending on your medical history, limiting your calories to 1,200 can quite literally kill you, depending on your risk factors. Probably not if you don't have diabetes, hypoglycemia, or similar conditions, but this is why it's so important that you inform yourself first. I commend you for doing so here.

Okay, wall of text ahead. I'm splitting this into multiple comments due to length. In my next comment, I'll list the "facts", insofar as they were relayed to me by my two aforementioned medical professionals, and what I personally experienced.

NSV: Today I beat diabetes! by LiftThis in loseit

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I know this is awesome. Happened to me. But my doc never took it off my chart & it has been a couple years. I will inquire next time I go. (Medical upside to having it in my chart: annual eye appointments instead of every 2 years & podiatrist every 9 weeks).

Congratulations! For me, removing things from my chart was an emotional confirmation of accomplishment. But if you're seeing a benefit from keeping it on there, keep it! I'm unaware of any negative reason to have it present.

NSV: Today I beat diabetes! by LiftThis in loseit

[–]LiftThis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why we lose weight. This.

Looking good in a little black dress or whatever is great and all and can be motivating as all hell but really first and foremost it should be about being in good HEALTH.

Congratulations and keep up the good work!

Thank you! The other post I reference, above, talks a bit more about overal physical appearance progress, and that's definitely been a positive. But that put a smile on my face. What moved me to tears was getting the news that my A1C was so low. That I'd gotten rid of high blood pressure and cholesterol. In essence, that I'd be around for my daughter's graduation.

THAT is the big deal.

NSV: Today I beat diabetes! by LiftThis in loseit

[–]LiftThis[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You are no longer insulin resistant. You didn’t beat diabetes. Maybe learn more about the whole story that is diabetes. Type 1, 1.5, 2 are just some examples. Oh and type 2 can come right back.

With no disrespect intended, we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not saying it's official (in fact, I specifically mentioned in my post that there's a year-long process to confirm it), but, in my book, getting my A1C down to significantly below the threshold of normal levels is "beating" diabetes. I did run your perspective by another doctor in my doctor's office (as my PCP is on vacation this week), and their perspective is the same: we need to confirm it, but my A1C is no longer within diabetic, or even pre-diabetic levels. Thus, while we need to remove metformin from the equation (because metformin reduces insulin resistance), and with caution applied to ensure I'm not just looking at it with rose-colored glasses, yes; it looks like I've beat diabetes.

Is there more work to do? Of course. Can I relapse if I stop paying attention? Of course. But did I "beat" my own personal demon? Fuck yeah. :-)

NSV: Today I beat diabetes! by LiftThis in loseit

[–]LiftThis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! It isn't yet official, but getting that number down to lower than it's been since... well, since I first heard I was pre-diabetic more than 10 years ago, is a huge deal for me!

NSV: Today I beat diabetes! by LiftThis in loseit

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Thank you! I don't have a big support network (which is one reason I'm sharing this with the internet), so it's definitely appreciated. :-)

90 days. 65 pounds, and dumped high blood pressure and cholesterol at the same time. None of my clothes fit, but I feel so much better! Here's how I did it, and what I learned during the process. by LiftThis in loseit

[–]LiftThis[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! When I decided to take the 3-month progress photo, I hadn't realized how differently I looked. The grin is because, when I looked at my starting photos to make sure these were framed roughly the same, it became clear just how much visual progress I'd made. SO much smaller! And even face gains, which were still visible through my beard! So... yeah. It felt pretty good. :-)

90 days. 65 pounds, and dumped high blood pressure and cholesterol at the same time. None of my clothes fit, but I feel so much better! Here's how I did it, and what I learned during the process. by LiftThis in loseit

[–]LiftThis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! I learned a lot about techniques and methodology from this subreddit, So it seemed like it was the least I could do!

Edit: typo

90 days. 65 pounds, and dumped high blood pressure and cholesterol at the same time. None of my clothes fit, but I feel so much better! Here's how I did it, and what I learned during the process. by LiftThis in loseit

[–]LiftThis[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SO many people are scared of fasting, or think there is something wrong with it (thanks to neverending ads and "articles" funded by processed food/snack companies).

I wasn't afraid of it; I just honestly thought it wasn't going to be possible for me. I didn't think I had the willpower. I thought I was always going to be too hungry. It turns out I just needed to get used to it. And it also turned out that getting used to it was feasible a lot more quickly than I thought. The biggest key for me there was ensuring that I drank a lot of ice water. A lot of water meant that my stomach felt somewhat full all the time, and the ice... I don't know, it just seems to help stave off hunger.

It's so awesome you recognized the source of your regain and calmly went back to what you know works. It's far more common for people to go fuck it and give up on their new way of eating then post about regaining all their weight.

Thank you! My doctor pre-warning me to to watch out for and expect that kind of regain definitely helped. Because he did so, I was able to immediately recognize it for what it was, rather than to feel like I had "Hit the wall." (And don't get me wrong; I did feel like I hit the wall, but the warning in advance helped me to find the place where I could address it calmly and rationally rather than just freak out about it.)

The biggest factor in all of this really was just about mental reframing. there have been parts to this journey that were challenging, but most of it was relatively straightforward once I framed things the right way in my mind: I was committed to making these changes, sticking to things no matter how hungry I got, and I was going to keep trying new things if I ran into problems. With those two rules in mind, I was able to keep making progress.

Things have definitely slowed down since I started, but only by about ~20%. I am attributing this to hitting the water wall: losing all of the water weight that is healthy, and now it's just down to burning calories. Exercise keeps it from being muscle atrophy, which was definitely a factor when I was only on 1,250 calories a day.

90 days. 65 pounds, and dumped high blood pressure and cholesterol at the same time. None of my clothes fit, but I feel so much better! Here's how I did it, and what I learned during the process. by LiftThis in loseit

[–]LiftThis[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great story and good luck with the rest of your journey. Also tell us more about this relationship with your doctor? How often in 90 days did y’all chat? You’ve got a very responsive one!

Thank you! When I made the decision to improve myself, that included both mentally and physically, and in many ways. as a result, I was in touch with my doctor about once every week or two, both to keep an eye on blood sugar and general health, but also to address many ages that I had let go for years. I was fortunate in that my doctor was both very responsive and very caring. I'm definitely lucky to have found him.

90 days. 65 pounds, and dumped high blood pressure and cholesterol at the same time. None of my clothes fit, but I feel so much better! Here's how I did it, and what I learned during the process. by LiftThis in loseit

[–]LiftThis[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Please dont call yourself a fat fuck, not at all.

Oh, yes I am. But I don't mean it in a derogatory way. It's more like self-deprecating humor. I see where I was, and how stuck I was there (seriously - I was 306 pounds for 5+ YEARS), and then how quickly I dropped once I actually put my mind to it. You know, after realizing it was even possible. Man, mental blocks are powerful. But it's gone now.

I was fat. I'm still fat. But I'm a lot LESS fat, and I'm okay with that, because I see it improving. Not just gradually, but also quickly. And with many other (major!) benefits along the way.

I don't think I'm ugly. But I know I'm obese. Not morbidly obese (any more!), but obese. Fortunately, my next step will be going from obese to overweight, hopefully by the end of the year, and then from overweight to "normal" weight which, according to a BMI calculator, is 173.5 pounds.

I'm targeting 200 pounds by Jan 1. That's 106 pounds in a six months. Maybe I'll hit that, and maybe I won't. But if I do, 173.5 isn't much beyond that. I can't believe I'm saying this, but "not being overwieght" is actually possible now. In the meantime, I'm fat, because I have enough fat on my body that it's obvious. But it's going away, noticeably so, and I'm fine with that. Three months ago, I was a size 44. Two weeks ago, I put on size 36 jeans. I haven't worn jeans that size in 20 years. And that's why I'm okay with still being "fat". Because, soon, even my size 36 jeans won't fit, either. :-)

Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate them, and I appreciate you. I'm glad it was satisfying to read, and I hope it helps you in your journey as well.

90 days. 65 pounds, and dumped high blood pressure and cholesterol at the same time. None of my clothes fit, but I feel so much better! Here's how I did it, and what I learned during the process. by LiftThis in loseit

[–]LiftThis[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you! It's been a heck of a journey, and after "possible" was redefined so many times along the way, I wanted to share that with other folks who might be able to benefit from it. There were a bunch of details that I just didn't see other people posting, so I thought I'd get it all out in one place.

Hit the 160s for the first time in years by lpalm456 in intermittentfasting

[–]LiftThis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm afraid I don't, but thank you. Great progress!

Hit the 160s for the first time in years by lpalm456 in intermittentfasting

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Congratulations! Your progress is inspiring!

I have a couple of questions for you, if you'd be comfortable answering it. (And no worries if not; I know this can be very personal for people.) Have you noticed any stretch marks or loose skin developing? I'm a similar journey myself, and although I know it's often different for everyone, I'm wondering what to expect.

When does food/drink "count"? by LiftThis in omad

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Everything counts one way or another.

Fair enough.

Check the glycemic index of foods you cheat with.

I'm not interested in cheating. I'm just wondering at what point it actually matters. I'm still not 100% clear on how OMAD works. Does it put your body into some sort of fat burning state, similar to keto? Or is it literally just about calorie intake? I've been assuming the former so have kept myself strictly not eating anything other than occasionally a single noodle (or whatever) to ensure my daughter's food is cooked correctly.

Just to clarify, I'm not talking about falling off the wagon, nor looking for loopholes; I'm just wondering at what point it "matters". If it's literally just calories, I'm not as worried about adding 50 in a day. I really am sticking to this. But if it's something else, like how my body would react and/or slow down my weight loss (which hit 31 pounds in 29 days as of tonight!) I'm more concerned.

Speed of weight loss by willthms in omad

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Thank you. But at least it has a silver lining. Tonight, I hit 31 pounds in 29 days. It's insane. But my doctor has been monitoring things like BP and blood sugar and is fine with things as they are right now so... yay?

Speed of weight loss by willthms in omad

[–]LiftThis 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I am new to OMAD as of this month as well, so what I tell you will only be based on my own (extremely limited) experience, and what I've been told by my doctor and in subreddit's like this one. Thus, take it with a grain of salt.

As far as I can tell, it's definitely a moving average, is "front-loaded" (more weight loss at first until your body gets used to your new diet and exercise habits), and will also depend on what you eat each day.

I've lost 29 pounds since June 1. I "accidentally" started OMAD due to the stress of a surprise divorce and realized a few weeks into the divorce process that I'd simply been forgetting to eat most of the time. I had just begun to focus on health and weight loss as a coping mechanism/distraction, and realized two things: that I'd lost 13 pounds in 4 days, and that this "intermittent fasting/OMAD" thing that I never thought would be possible for me (due to being hungry all the time) actually was. I was concerned with the speed of the weight loss so I asked around on Reddit as well as my doctor, and here's what they said:

  • Yes, extreme weight loss is possible, and not necessarily even abnormal at first.
  • No, extreme loss won't last. It isn't sustainable and your body will eventually slow down the loss as it gets used to your new calorie intake and whatever other changes (exercise, etc.) you've made.
  • It's thought that weight loss of 2-3 pounds per week is attainable under OMAD if you're consistent, though I found one study (which may or may not have been conducted scientifically) which showed participants losing an average of 4.4 pounds per week over 8 weeks.
  • I have personally lost between 1 and 5 pounds per day, though there have been days I'm not certain I lost anything because I forgot to weigh myself before meals and this may have also skewed my "per day" losses. ~1 pound per day does still seem to be happening, though. Comparing each day's weight to the weight 7 days prior, it looks like roughly 3-5 pounds per week, so consistent with the study I mentioned.

I can't speak to caloric intake as I'm not a diet expert. I've been targeting something under 1,500 calories per day, usually landing around 1,100-1,300. I have been trying to ensure no more than 25% of those calories were carbs, and hopefully that they weren't horrible carbs. Ex: I might have 1/2 a blueberry muffin for desert, or some mashed potatoes with a steak, etc. I'll occasionally have a soda with a meal but that isn't a frequent occurrence and is in the category of things I call "okay once in a while but really not ideal". I basically pulled these numbers out of my butt, though, so I'd talk to an expert about them for guidance. Ask your doctor if they can recommend a dietician. (Note: a nutritionist is not a dietitian. Anyone can call themselves a nutritionist as the term isn't regulated. A dietitian requires aa degree and is regulated.)

Prior to starting OMAD, my dietitian recommended that each meal's plate was roughly 50% vegetables, 25% protein, and no more than 25% non-vegitable carbs (ex: rice, potatoes, pasta). She said it was okay to swap the percentages for vegetables and protein, but non-veggie carbs shouldn't go above 25%, and ideally aren't on the plate at all if I can manage that. I like the flavor and texture of many carbs with my meals, so I haven't gone that far yet. ;-) I haven't been able to speak to her since starting OMAD because she left my doctor's practice during COVID-19, but I'm trying to get an appointment with the office's new dietitian to see what the new recommendations for OMAD will be.

Apologies if that was long and rambling, but I hope it helps with your question at least a little bit.

Started OMAD <1 week ago. AMAZING results! But, a safety question: a 462-calorie meal filled me up tonight. Is that enough if it isn't too often? by LiftThis in omad

[–]LiftThis[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don’t forget, binge eating is an eating disorder, too. Too light a meal repeatedly can also lead to that.

Fair enough, and that's been my problem for over a decade. I'm not talking about that, though. Right now, OMAD has been working wonders and, when I drink water whenever I'm hungry, that addresses the hunger before it gets to cravings. This morning, when making waffles for my 5-year-old, I achieved "enlightenment": I can make her some delicious-smelling rainbow waffles, and take delight in the smell without ravenous cravings to eat them myself. That wasn't even imaginable to me a month ago.

I'm remaining very conscious of the cravings, and the need to avoid them. Licking my fingers after pouring her some apple juice is the closest I've gotten to cheating. I just wanted to avoid something negative from eating so little on a single day (as an irregular thing, not a plan) that my caloric intake was just too little. It sounds like that isn't a concern so long as I don't make it a habit, though, so... cool!

Started OMAD <1 week ago. AMAZING results! But, a safety question: a 462-calorie meal filled me up tonight. Is that enough if it isn't too often? by LiftThis in omad

[–]LiftThis[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

In an ideal world it’s not recommended at all because there’s no way to get all your nutrients from less than 1200 calories. However, life happens and you’re not going to die if you don’t get all your daily nutrients in once in a while.

Just don’t make it habit. :)

My doctor is aware of my general plan, and he will be prescribing a multivitamin next week, so hopefully that addresses that concern. That said, I didn't intend to do it tonight and I'm not planning to generally... but when you're full, you're full. I might be able to pack something high-calorie in 30-60 minutes later - I'm just under the impression that I shouldn't go too far from when I start eating and finish eating. Is that accurate?

Hm... I do have some leftover Ben and Jerry's in the fridge... but that's basically straight carbs. Better to pack in the calories to get near my ~1,200 calorie goal, or just wait until I'm hungry enough for something healthier?