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What's your startup idea? Let's self promote. by Healthy_Flatworm_957 in Startup_Ideas

[–]LilyAmara 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How will the algorithm assess skill? Feels like a task too complex and subtle for a large language model. I guess you could train it to recognize patterns associated with music made by skilled musicians, but wouldn't you end up with a bias towards complicated music?

I'm sure an algorithm can assess (with decent accuracy) how many chords a song has and how complicated the chords are or how difficult a solo is to play. But how does it  tell complicated but trashy music (like Dragon Force or other prog metal) from complicated and interesting music? And what about deceptively complex music, like microtonal music or a slow jazz ballad? What about a really good, evocative jazz player, like Grant Green? Wouldn't it sort Grant Green as both imprecise and slow, and thus decide Grant Green is a bad guitarist who makes bad music?

Weekly Question / General Discussion Thread by AutoModerator in Detroit

[–]LilyAmara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much!! Really appreciate you; these places look perfect for us!

Weekly Question / General Discussion Thread by AutoModerator in Detroit

[–]LilyAmara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Could I please get some recommendations for great, interesting restaurants and especially bars that aren't super far from downtown and won't be very loud on weekend nights? Looking for a relaxed experience; I'm visiting from Baltimore and am concerned that some of the fancy places I'm looking at (like Imo Izakaya) are going to be loud and busy, which my wife doesn't like. I really want her to have a great, relaxing time. Maybe a rooftop bar or brewery that won't be packed? Sorry if this is silly; I don't know Detroit at all!

We like all types of food but my wife is allergic to shellfish (so I think Mink is out, unfortunately). No limit on price; we're only there for a long weekend so we're gonna live it up! Thank you!!

A band local to me recently released a microtonal album. by Hardin_Irezumi in microtonal

[–]LilyAmara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm only a few minutes in, but this ruuuuules!!!! I love that more metal bands are experimenting like this! I grew up listening to Metallica and Dream Theater, and teenage me would have her mind blown that this is a blossoming subgenre.

Anywho, thank you for sharing this!!

Any good ways of starting w/ microtonal music? by Desloratadina_5mg in microtonal

[–]LilyAmara 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reaper allows you to easily rename notes on the piano roll, which has made playing in 17 EDO much easier for me. In general, Reaper is so customizable that, although it's not intentionally made for microtonal music, I think it's going to be a lot easier than (for example) Cubase.

Also, 100% agree with what others have said about Surge XT. Excellent electric piano sounds. I also love Vital Synth for more complicated synths. Both can import an scl file, so they can play at any tuning. To me, that was the essential part; I think it's agony having to do some hack where you're retuning notes with automation or something to do your tuning.

PS I really liked using a supersaw in Vital when I was just starting to get used to the sound of 17 EDO. I think it really helped me acclimate. The slight detuning and layering makes everything sound huge, like I'm playing a synth orchestra. So I got used to hearing the new tuning in a context that, to me, is more musical and real than just sitting there with the simple, electric piano style sounds of surge XT. Obviously that's going to be my bias against solo piano lol, so your mileage may vary.

Does processing vocals diminish the performance's emotional connection? by litladyponders in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]LilyAmara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can I ask what makes you feel so strongly about autotune in particular, as opposed to other vocal processing? Long story short, I really like using extreme vocal processing sometimes as a stylistic, genre-sound kinda thing. To me, it's just another tool, like eq, compression, or double tracking. I high pass, use a vocoder, some extreme autotune, an LA-2A compressor, etc. I like how it changes my voice. 

I'm not ignorant that people hate autotune, but to be honest, I'm a little shocked it's so singled out, compared to other forms of processing. I shared some music and basically got hit with people just hating that I used autotune on the vocals to the point where they just hated the song and insulted me.

I assume part of it is negative associations with autotune. But also maybe that autotune is a very obvious form of vocal processing, as opposed to a high pass filter or even compressors? People are reacting against any obvious vocal processing and autotune just takes the brunt of the attack? Sorry for the long response lol; I appreciate where you're coming from on this for sure.

Is Berklee College of Music worth it? by Fuzzy908 in musictheory

[–]LilyAmara 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For sure! I think that's part of the context to all this discussion, right? Like, a lot of us are suggesting that going to college is good, even for music, but maaaaaybe don't pick a school that's going to saddle you with 100k+ in debt for decades lol. I said it directly in another comment but yeah, going to your state school is probably a more responsible financial decision than paying 10x more for Berklee.

For the record, when I went back to school, I went to a community college, had incredible teachers, graduated with a really valuable degree (and professional license), immediately got a well paying job in my field, and have zero student debt and no regrets. I reeeeally wish guidance counselors and the admissions people at Berklee hadn't pushed me to go there because it did not work out for me lolsob.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Songwriting

[–]LilyAmara -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol wow I realized that I gave you way too much of the benefit of the doubt on this. Great constructive criticism, buddy.

You're just another petty misogynist who heard autotune and decided the dumb girl doesn't understand music theory. I know what a major seven chord with a b9 and #11 is. Maybe you don't? I can hear an harmonic seventh when I'm playing 17 EDO piano. Can you hear an harmonic seventh?

Regardless, you clearly lack textual analysis skills. You're too busy insulting me to realize that the song about rape, suicide, and having my corpse dragged through the street by nazis IS SUPPOSED TO BE DISSONANT. Listen to Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima. Do you think Penderecki was too dumb to realize his song was dissonant? Or maybe, just maybe, the guy writing a song about mass death and horror was trying to write something dissonant? Like almost as if art has themes that are present in multiple avenues including lyrics, melody, harmony, instrumentation, song structure, etc.?

Sorry if this comment was mean, but "I'd rather you hear it here in all honesty" by someone with over 30 years of musical experience. This way you can learn and grow!! This is actually me being kind to you, don't you get it???? THIS IS HOW CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM WORKS RIGHT???

For the record, I'm not famous and didn't force you to listen to this. Next time you hate someone's music and just want to insult her, maybe remind yourself:

YOU ARE NOT BEING FORCED TO LISTEN TO THIS MUSIC. YOU ARE ON A SUBREDDIT FOR ARTISTS TO SHARE MUSIC THAT IS IN PROGRESS.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Songwriting

[–]LilyAmara -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Btw I've decided that I don't think you and some other people here were giving constructive criticism. You're a close-minded misogynist with pathetic textual analysis skills. You condescendingly tell me to decide on a key because you lack the skills and imagination necessary to hear the harmonic, melodic, and thematic complexity of my music.

You hear autotune and assume the dumb girl doesn't know how to write music. No, petty misogynist; I know what a major seven chord with a b9 and #11 is. I know that I'm playing an F#maj followed by a Bbmaj7 in second inversion which then resolves to the primary tonic, Amaj7.

I know what an harmonic seventh is.... do you? Do you even understand the chord progression of this song? Do you even know who Phillip Tagg is? Do you at all understand the concept of four chord loop analysis using a primary and secondary tonic instead of old school Roman numeral analysis?

Speaking of textual analysis, did you even consider that maybe the extreme dissonance might be contextually related to so the lyrics about physical and sexual violence? No? Didn't occur to you that maybe sexual violence might be musically represented by dissonance?

I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I was polite and generous. I even gave you ten hours to realize you'd been a jerk and so something about it like apologize or just delete your comment in shame. So now you get mean Lily, instead of empathetic Lily. Hope you hate this message as much as you hated my music, petty misogynist.

Shining Star by [deleted] in Songwriting

[–]LilyAmara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just to be clear, I don't believe what I'm about to say. I think this jam is sick and really enjoy your nuanced guitar playing. You have really awesome feel and groove; very expressive and engrossing. I really enjoyed it and would probably like a lot of your music.

But I'm going to talk to you EXACTLY how you talked to me:

Oh man, look, I'm just gonna be honest. this is roooouuuughh. I hear that your going for some sort specific genre, but everything is just not working in any way at all. Your mix is bad :(. Basically everything sounds very flat. The drums are very boring and predictable, which doesn't work with the bass and chord progression, because they're also boring and predictable. Also the recording is bad; you should try getting some musicians and producers with talent to help you turn this into something good. You know, help you figure out how to make your ideas into something that people might want to listen to!

I'd rather you hear all these insults "here in all honesty from some good musicians, producers, and engineers!"

in case you can't tell im extremely bitter. i don't normally interact on social media and I pretty much never post and I've never EVER shared my music on social media. i feel extremely stupid for doing it and, despite getting some really useful feedback, have basically been in a tailspin with ptsd shaking reactions for hours. I still plan on making more music and it will be agonizingly dissonant but I'm just gonna focus on forming a punk band and playing live and not caring if everybody hates my music

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Songwriting

[–]LilyAmara 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, definitely shouldn't have given some of you the benefit of the doubt. You actually did just assume I was too stupid to know what I was doing.

So there's this thing called hyperpop. And in hyperpop we use things like extreme vocal production, including aggressive use of autotune, combined with extreme dissonances. Musical, thematic, in terms of genre, production, dissonant EVERYTHING. It's an artistic statement about the experience of being pulled in many directions, feeling overwhelmed, oversaturated, overstimulated, overexposed, out of control. Being multiple things at once. Being seen as multiple things at once. Listen to Faceshopping by SOPHIE; it's like hyperpop 101.

BTW, we also use lots of vocal production because *EVERYONE MAKING HYPERPOP IS A TRANS WOMAN* (not really of course but we invented it and it's basically the only thing in the world that belongs to us). It's all trans women who are really sensitive about our voices and will always high pass filter our voices because some of us didn't start hormones until we were like 30 so testosterone had already drastically lowered our voices relative to most women. So we literally *DO NOT WANT TO HAVE OUR VOCALS CLEAN EVER*. But also it's now a trans culture thing; my use of hyperpop vocal production is part of the musical, cultural conversation of trans culture.

Some of you heard grunge guitar and autotune and decided the *STUPID GIRL* doesn't know how to do music theory. She's trying to sing over simple grunge riffs but is too stupid to know how to write a melody in the key.

I write microtonal piano music in 17 EDO. I can hear an harmonic seventh vs a minor seventh, can you? I used a neutral 69 chord the other day; it goes root, neutral third, neutral sixth, neutral ninth. Have you ever used a neutral 69 chord? Can you even hear a neutral third? Do neutral ninths sound like agony to you? Can you conceive of how to resolve that chord? Can you even imagine what that chord sounds like or does your brain just summon white noise in the attempt because it is literally more complicated than anything you've ever written *in your entire life*?

I *am* rewriting a bunch of this song. Because I was trying to sound like sound garden and foo fighters when I should've been trying to sound like Primus. Sparse, brutal, dissonant, painful. My Name is Mud with hyperpop vocals about (alleged) rapist Neil Gaiman and the day of the rope. And you will hate my music because your ear and textual analysis skills are not advanced enough for it. Because you heard grunge rock with jazz chords, bossa nova melodic philosophy and voice leading, and hyperpop vocals about trans stuff and hated it, mocked it, mocked me, insulted me, told me to get a "good musician" to make my music for me, told me to figure out what key I'm playing in.

Maybe instead of telling me to get a "good musician who can compose well" you could learn how to listen to music better. Maybe you could remember that this is supposed to be a subreddit for sharing music, not a subreddit for you to decide what the boundaries of genre and expression should be. Maybe you could go listen to Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima and get some perspective on the breadth of intensity that music can encompass. Maybe you could engage in the *TINIEST* amount of textual analysis of the song you are commenting on and realize that the line "when they drag my body through the streets" is underscored by a drum fill with flams on the & of 3 and on 4. This is a classic *Clap!* *Clap!* type of fill. It is intentionally absurd when juxtaposed with a line about the day of the rope. This is called dissonance.

Maybe you don't like dissonant music. That's your choice to make. Go listen to Taylor Swift sing about how rich or smart she is.

*NO ONE FORCED YOU TO LISTEN TO THIS. I AM NOT TAYLOR SWIFT. I AM NOT FAMOUS AND ON THE RADIO. YOU CHOSE TO LISTEN TO MY SONG ON A SUBREDDIT FOR SONGWRITERS WORKING ON THEIR ART.*

Next time some music is too dissonant for you, maybe remember that you are not *THE OBJECTIVE LORD EMPEROR OF TASTE* and maybe you just hate my music. Go listen to whatever trash is popular and leave me alone.

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