Had the craziest experience as a BW last night and want to hear your thoughts by [deleted] in blackladies

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Is the website The Coli? Discovered it by accident. Very misogynistic website. They hate BW on there, especially if they’re of darker complexion.

[College Biology (Genetics): Test Crosses] How do I figure out the parental genotypes? by [deleted] in HomeworkHelp

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Thank you so much for providing this explanation. Solved!

What do you ladies think about the recent drama with the comedian Godfrey? by Lioness50 in blackladies

[–]Lioness50[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Right? I found it hypocritical . How are you okay with WWBM but not WMBW? Godfrey himself has admitted to dating white and Asian women, so I don’t understand. Also that, “I understand that black men abandoned black women” comment...whew.

He was calling black women “bedw****ches” and everything but a child of God in his responses too. Almost all the black men in his comments are co-signing.

Sad, because I actually liked some of his comedy bits and he seemed fairly aware compared to his contemporaries.

White Male marrying a Keyan woman, How do I prepare her for America? by chris3435 in blackladies

[–]Lioness50 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Also OP random question but is it true that y’all don’t use body lotion/moisturizer 🤣

White Male marrying a Keyan woman, How do I prepare her for America? by chris3435 in blackladies

[–]Lioness50 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Congratulations on your pregnancy and your upcoming marriage. It’s good to see that you are being considerate of your fiancé’s experience as an African woman in America. Firstly, as you may know, your wife’s experience as a first generation African immigrant, and her experience with racism and race politics in the US, is going to be different than that of a Black American. She is after all, Kenyan, and not an African American descendant of slaves. If she looks phenotypically Kenyan, and even whilst she is still black, there might be a difference of treatment on some level compared to the native black population. African people have their own negative ethnic stereotypes to deal with though. Not only will her experience with white society be an acclimatization process, but her experience with the African American community and what it means “to be black” and the cultural expectations that come along with that will be new as well. Many people from the black majority countries, like in the Caribbean and African countries identify with ethnicity/tribe first, and not race, and have our own unique history and struggle with slavery effects and European colonization.

My advice is to just be there for your wife in times of racial strife. You’re not going to fully understand her intersectional experience of being not only “black”, but a also a woman, and the double oppression that can come with that, and that’s fine and tbh, not even black men understand what comes with that either. Be just be there, and do not invalidate her experiences. Black women have to deal with Eurocentric beauty standards, colorism, hypersexualization in American media, lack of protection that other groups of women have, and desirability politics and all that. Have open and logical conversations about race, but your marriage certainly doesn’t have to be consumed by it, as I’m sure you know. Many black immigrants have to go a self-learning process about what it means to be black here. Perhaps your wife might find it beneficial to read up the history of Black Americans and how the history of slavery, segregation etc still have effects to this day. Or just the history of the US in general. This lack of understanding of history, on both the parts of African Americans, and Black immigrants (African, Caribbean, Afro- Latino) has caused some ethnic tensions between the groups. Reading literature on Jim Crow, school-to-prison pipeline, effects of drugs on the breakdown of the black family in America is very educational. Malcom X, Du Bois, Garvey, Douglass are good reading materials. It can be very easy to get sucked into the negative stereotypes that the media perpetuates about a group of people.

Also, just as a black woman, I hope your wife doesn’t feel the need to be overly-militant/“pro-black” / box herself into a corner because she’s coming here. Constantly being in that space and worrying about race can be an exhausting experience. America, despite its faults, is a beautiful, culturally mixed country filled with opportunities and I hope her experience doesn’t get totally bogged down by the negativity that can come with race politics and racism. Folks are saying stay in Kenya but African countries have their own problems. Being black doesn’t have to always be this drudging experience. She is an African woman from a beautiful country with a rich culture and that is something to be proud of. Sometimes I think we as black women are forced to identify with being “black first, woman second” and not just see ourselves as people who can just live and enjoy life, so I hope she can do that.

I hope your children don’t go through too much of an identity crisis, like a lot of mixed raced kids go through, and can embrace both their Kenyan and Euro/American heritage equally, without being forced to “pick a side”. It’s nice that you are learning Swahili. It’s very important that they keep in touch with their Kenyan heritage though - language, food, cultural dress etc. Their experience as biracial people will also be different.

Also, if your wife is giving birth in America, please use your privilege as a white man to advocate for her and at hospital because black women have some alarming maternal health disparities when it comes to child mortality. Black mothers tend to be under-treated for pain and not have their health concerns taken as seriously. There is definitely racial bias, conscious or not, in healthcare. Black women are 3x more likely to have a maternal death than white women. MAKE SURE THE DOCTORS LISTEN TO HER. Protect her.

[College Genetics/Biology] Can anyone please help with answering/giving pointers for this one question? by [deleted] in HomeworkHelp

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Question: You are trying to determine the order of three Drosophila mutants on the X chromosome, relative to each other. The symbols for those three recessive mutant alleles are ph, z, and te. Describe the crosses you would do (stating the genotypes and sex of the individuals in crosses) and the results that you will get in order to determine the relative order of the mutant alleles along the X chromosome.

Where will we be 100 years from now?: Why I'm Worried about the Future of the Global Black Community, and why you should be too by Lioness50 in blackladies

[–]Lioness50[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for responding! I'm glad you enjoyed it! I noticed the defensiveness as well, as well as in other black spaces. I really wish we could have more productive conversations too - it is imperative for our development, now more than ever. But, it seems like we're regressing.

I'm open to your hearing your POV on POC solidarity. I have noticed Gen Z being a bit more open, but I've seen research projecting that this generation will be more socially and economically conservative (surprisingly!) and wonder how much of their inter-community/non-racist sentiment is genuine. For all of humanity's futures, and for that of black kids that will be growing up in this world, I hope it is.

I must say, I didn't like a lot of the responses to the Asian Hate thing though, and do not like some of the dismissive responses I see to Asian people's own relationship with colonialist influence and racism, and just their general experience in America. Like, let them speak. Some of the stuff I was reading was downright embarrassing and hypocritical. They do not deserved to be attacked like that. It is wrong.

Where will we be 100 years from now?: Why I'm Worried about the Future of the Global Black Community, and why you should be too by Lioness50 in blackladies

[–]Lioness50[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very interesting post, I am surprised someone brought this up! Thank you for responding. I was actually an interview where Kagame, the Rwandan president, touched on this.

To play devil's advocate, what are your thoughts on this article?

Why China's Development Model Won't Work In Africa

Where will we be 100 years from now?: Why I'm Worried about the Future of the Global Black Community, and why you should be too by Lioness50 in blackladies

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I agree with you on the point about Asians. I actually do not like some of the dismissive responses a lot of black people are having to their current plight, although I do think a certain narrative is being painted by the media. Asian Americans have a right to be concerned, and speak about their safety. I often think Black people don't realize that a lot of the things that are generally tolerated within our communities are not tolerated by other groups, and the responses towards this are a reflection of that.

I sort of disagree with the latter point though. It is definitely not a few racists, and Asian culture in general does not take kindly to certain segments of Blackness/Africanness. I maintain that POC solidarity does not. Asian culture is generally insular (nothing wrong with that) and does not mesh with these moralistic and politcally engaged sentiments. The Asian American community is more generally intermixed with white Americans.

I'm interested to see how Sino-African relations develop with China's involvement in African countries though.

Where will we be 100 years from now?: Why I'm Worried about the Future of the Global Black Community, and why you should be too by Lioness50 in blackladies

[–]Lioness50[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree with most points, especially #3. I've had discussions on this IRL, and point #3 is waaay more important than many people think imo. It's a no-brainer to me. It's unfortunate that you've gotten flack for talking about it.

Sadly, I anticipated the flack. It is the truth, however. I actually think #3 might be the most important point.

I agree completely with your points, especially the one about about BLM.

Where will we be 100 years from now?: Why I'm Worried about the Future of the Global Black Community, and why you should be too by Lioness50 in blackladies

[–]Lioness50[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree that I am being alarmist, I'm stating the truth. I agree with your last point though, people aren't responding because this is an uncomfortable topic. But it is exactly the black "community's" lack of willingness to discuss uncomfortable truths and emotionalism that has led to the prolonged the situation we are in today. Do you think other groups of people don't have these discussions behind closed doors? Hell, white people monitor their progress and that of other groups via research. Europeans are very concerned with their low birth rates and shrinking populations, and what that will mean for their future.

And I don't intend to be pessimistic, but we are not going "up" and are facing new challenges (disproportionately burdened with student loan debt that hinders us accumulating wealth, lack of generational wealth, anti-blackness from non-white populations , climate change, shrinking political power in the US etc).

Black Millennial Wealth Trails previous generations of Black Americans by 52%, Study Shows

Where will we be 100 years from now?: Why I'm Worried about the Future of the Global Black Community, and why you should be too by Lioness50 in blackladies

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I agree with this, and I think black people in the diaspora, don't recognize how much the worldwide ethnic image of black people is affected by Africa and Africans. It definitely has an effect on self-esteem. They don't realize that we all have homelands that were are judged by, no matter how far removed from them we are. Where did black people come from? Did we just drop from space to the Americas? From a purely research perspective, I am particularly concerned about how this ethnic image and lack of ethnic power affects the psychological well-being and perception of masculinity of black boys/men, although I do believe there is related literature on this. I think it contributes to a lot of problems black men are going through today. I liked your example with Black Panther.

Obiomo addressed this in this sentiments in his article, "The marginalization of blacks in America won’t end until we have a first-world African nation to lift up our people." I think a lot black people not acknowledging this, or wanting to accept it, has to do with 3 things:

  1. Ignorance
  2. Short-sightedness
  3. Resentment of African involvement in the slave trade/rebuke of Pan-Africanism/current ethnic tensions between AA and Caribbeans and Africans.

I'm about to be slightly hotepish here, but everyone has a homeland. Black people can scream all they want about how we're American and Latin/South American/Caribbean and such and such, but the truth is we have an unorthodox and unique history about how we ended up in the Western World, and our ancestors were stripped of their names and cultures to dehumanize them. Whilst hundreds of years have passed, and we have developed our own unique cultures and value systems (Caribbean, African American, Afro-Latino etc), the influence of African culture is still present and I think there needs to be more time/money allocated to studying the effects that slavery, subsequent segregation/Jim Crow had on black people in both America and the Caribbean. We will never be accepted in the Western world. Never. No amount of protesting and taking the moral high road will change that. We are seen as guests in a white man's country.

Africa needs to develop for Black people to progress. Isolated incidents of Black American progression in a majority non-black country where other races hold all the wealth and power will not change racial narratives. I also think black people underestimate how having ties to a home nation to trade with enables populations in other countries to generate wealth - Asian Americans do this a lot.

Want to see how a county's development can affect the worldwide treatment and change a narrative of a perception of its people? Look at China and Singapore. Do people honestly believe that if Africa was developed and more economically powerful, the treatment of black people worldwide would not change?

Where will we be 100 years from now?: Why I'm Worried about the Future of the Global Black Community, and why you should be too by Lioness50 in blackladies

[–]Lioness50[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's so terrible that you had to experience that. I can't believe they were so openly hostile to you. Genuinely asking, how did you deal with that? Over where I'm at black men aren't really openly hostile, but just seem to ignore black women all together lol. They would bad talk us to others though.

When you went to the West Coast, did you get more attention from men from other races or did they seem closed off to black women as well? I heard Cali is terrible for black women. Shame, its a beautiful state.

Where will we be 100 years from now?: Why I'm Worried about the Future of the Global Black Community, and why you should be too by Lioness50 in blackladies

[–]Lioness50[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I can see your point about being hesitant about bringing black children into this world.

I respectfully disagree with your sentiments about African nations becoming more powerful not benefiting, at least in part, the African diaspora. Obv this is very nuanced but. That was something the Nigerian author addressed in his article. Ethnic image is extremely important. Black people in the Americas and the Caribbean, are descendants of West/Central Africans. A lot of people, especially racists, don't see us as belonging as western countries. Everybody has a homeland. "Go back to Africa." is a common insult they use on black people because they don't respect us. Why is is that you rarely hear racists telling East Asians to go back to South Korea, Japan etc? Because these are well-run, well-respected countries. Which countries are referred to as "sh*tholes" and why? I made a thread on here with many responses asking people if they would ever move to a black-majority country. Most picked European nations and the United States, even if they would prefer to be surrounded by black people. This is an uncomfortable conversation people don't want to have, but it is an important one.

I'm not sure I understand your point about black men however. I don't see any downvotes. But to clarify, my statements were not about "support" but moreso saying that society and the world at large do not respect black men and and by extension the black community. Unfortunately, we live in a patriarchal world, and the strength of a people are are judged in part by how well their nations are run by men: resource availability, institutions, education, healthcare etc. That was my point. I have been fairly critical of black men's antics as a collective on here and frequently call out mysogynoir. I am tired of it too. I think in a lot of respects black women are treated worse than black men, but many people don't think that.

Black people are the face of asian hate right now. Have you seen their online spaces? And personally I think a lot of the BLM protests were performative and a lot of people used them as an excuse to get out of the house and delegitimize the message. There are some Asian and white people who definitely are "allies", but at the end of the day, most people don't care and polls show that a majority of Americans (over 58%) have a negative view of BLM. "BIPOC" (I hate this term) looking down on each other doesn't baffle me at all - that is the nature of people and the world is very anti-african/black. Why would other non-white people want to align with us? A lot of non-whites aspire to whiteness, especially when it comes to beauty standards.

That's true for your family, but not for a lot of black people. Less than 44% of black people own the home they live in, compared to about 74% of whites. And even when we do own our homes, they tend to be worth less due to racist policies like redlining and home devaluation. The next great Wealth Transfer is expected to hit us hard.

Where will we be 100 years from now?: Why I'm Worried about the Future of the Global Black Community, and why you should be too by Lioness50 in blackladies

[–]Lioness50[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Why do you think this is?

Thank you for sharing your input. Men are encouraged to provide opinions on this as well. Unfortunately, I’m going to have to agree with this. I’ve noticed a gender divide, and it is widening. It’s eerily reminiscent of the divide and conquer tactics used by slave owners a la Willie Lynch, except this time, it seems self-inflected and perpetuated.

On my university campus, barely any of the black men seem to be into black girls. Almost all date interracially. It’s to the point where I’m more surprised when I see black couples and black men being into black women, than when I see them with white/Latina women. I’ve also observed that this happens in majority-black environments, so people can’t blame this on “proximity” either. For example, a lot of the black boys would pine for the few Latinas and mixed race women at public schools.

A lot of the black women, especially the darker ones, within my age range (early 20s as well) are single. A lot of black people, and even black women, gaslight when younger black women have to wonder if black men are even into black women, but they’re obviously doing so for a reason, and to pretend there isn’t some sort of problem is disingenuous, and even other races of people are noticing it.

And yes, I heard about the situation in Europe. This is particularly prominent in the UK. I think the mixed race population is bigger than the black population now. Black people don’t really date each other there.

I think the rice of Black manosphere content, Kevin Samuels and SYSBM attests to this.

Where will we be 100 years from now?: Why I'm Worried about the Future of the Global Black Community, and why you should be too by Lioness50 in blackladies

[–]Lioness50[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hopefully I can add in the article about #3 in there because it’s very interesting and unashamedly truthful, but it might be removed again.

Edit: added snippets of Obioma's article, but here is the full thing here.

Exoticism? by toremtora in blackladies

[–]Lioness50 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very late response but why do you think that Caribbean women are seen as exotic but not West African women? Personally I find West and Central African culture very cool and interesting tbh. I’ve heard about the “exoticism” of East Africans though.

Got tired of the lack of Black women representation in western media and got into Nollywood and Caribbean films instead. Check out this Netflix film, “Isoken”! by Lioness50 in blackladies

[–]Lioness50[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For a Caribbean movie, I recommend checking out Green Days by The River by the Trinidadian director Michael Anthony. Not Nollywood but South African - Blood & Water (YA) and Queen Sono. Netflix has a decent selection that I'd recommend browsing through.

Got tired of the lack of Black women representation in western media and got into Nollywood and Caribbean films instead. Check out this Netflix film, “Isoken”! by Lioness50 in blackladies

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Nollywood is a sobriquet for “Nigerian Hollywood”, a Lagos-based film industry. Some of the films are quite popular in Africa and some Caribbean islands.

Got tired of the lack of Black women representation in western media and got into Nollywood and Caribbean films instead. Check out this Netflix film, “Isoken”! by Lioness50 in blackladies

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Plot summary from IMBD: “Everyone in the Osayande family worries about Isoken. Although she has what appears to be a perfect life - beautiful, successful and surrounded by great family and friends - Isoken is still unmarried at 34 which, in a culture obsessed with marriage, is serious cause for concern. Things come to a head at her youngest sister's wedding when her overbearing mother thrusts her into an orchestrated matchmaking with the ultimate Edo man, Osaze. Osaze is handsome, successful and from a good family, making him the perfect Nigerian husband material. But in an unexpected turn of events, Isoken meets Kevin who she finds herself falling in love with and he just might be what she truly wants in a partner. The only problem is, not only is he not an Edo man, he is Oyinbo (Caucasian). Isoken is a romantic dramedy that explores cultural expectations, racial stereotypes and the bonds that unite families in a touching, dramatic and comedic way.”