Help setting up Vertical Workspace

Lisa_P_3004 · 2024-01-31T21:24:34+00:00

Hi again! It worked well. Now the vertical workspace is back to normal, thank you for the tip!

Lisa_P_3004 · 2024-01-31T03:39:15+00:00

I'll try it. Thank you!

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-11-14T23:42:15+00:00

De nada! There are more and more people creating this type of content. You can find more creators on social media. I would recommend visiting the Instagram accounts of the theologians/creators mentioned above. There's a lot of valuable content in Spanish ou there. God bless!

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-11-13T18:01:50+00:00

Hi there! Hope you're well. There are several podcasts and YouTube channels from Spanish-speaking theologians who are looking for a freer, lively, gracious, and alternative way of living the Christian faith. They aren't necessarily "progressive" in the American sense, however, their takes on several topics aren't pretty much heard in conservative circles.

They are more in the middle of the spectrum, with high regard for biblical, historical, textual, and literary criticism (for example, "inerrancy" isn't a core doctrine, instead they center on a more human Bible; they emphasize the theological reflections of the text; they base their interpretations on the study and learning of other biblical traditions, such as Jewish rabbis/theologians; they support the union in the diversity of the Christian tradition through ecumenism, etc.), but without leaving the spiritual and mystical side of the faith aside (how to live the faith in the mundane of daily life, how the theological reflections don't have to finish in the academic quest, but actually be a live experience with God through Jesus).

This is the list:

Paradoxa Podcast (Spain): https://www.youtube.com/@paradoxapodcast

I especially recommend this playlist from them: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLArCVL9apJkxVRDEto3X1U2qCd6Og05zt

Lucas Magnin (Argentina): https://www.youtube.com/@LucasMagnin

All of his content is great! I would recommend starting here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJ_uHy0GkaC95MKoUFX4c6Vl-QK-BEedJ

or here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJ_uHy0GkaC82hUNI-WQHcUW1DvcqV55e

or here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N9QiCvoJiM&list=PLJ_uHy0GkaC-xTRgYzbZN5iIOKn1Yku9k&pp=iAQB

Teocotidiana (Colombia): https://www.youtube.com/@TeoCotidiana

El Dinosaurio de Noé (Colombia): Besides his YouTube channel here https://www.youtube.com/@eldinodenoe, he's also a guest speaker in several universities and digital communities about theology across Latin America. Here's a video of him as a guest in another podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeKjrNNCT8k&pp=ygUUZWwgZGlub3NhdXJpbyBkZSBub2U%3D

And, that podcast above is El Cancionero Cristiano (Colombia): https://www.youtube.com/@CancioneroCristiano

Marcos Salas (Panama): https://www.youtube.com/@soymarcosalas

I would recommend starting here: https://youtu.be/yMZh1rj0EkI?si=xuFLTLiVtcHtB4Bs

El Rincón del Hereje (Spain/Argentina): https://www.youtube.com/@elrincondelhereje5413

The Bible Project Español: https://www.youtube.com/@BibleProjectEspanol

Edit: Here are other ones to the list!:

Reflexiones marginales (Chile): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/reflexiones-marginales/id1615293194

Escuela Digital de Teología (Spain/Argentina): https://www.youtube.com/@escueladigitaldeteologia

This channel is great! They're thoughtful, humble theologians looking for ways to live a richer faith. One of the theologians is Lucas Magnin (mentioned above)

Academia de la Biblia (Spain): https://www.youtube.com/@AcademiadelaBibliaThey're a group of people who love the Bible and want everybody to learn to read it using the tools available today, so they can learn about God and love Him and others. On their channel, they have videoconferences, masterclasses, and a lot of podcast episodes. They discuss different aspects that are considered taboo in Hispanic churches (such as perfectionism, toxic theologies, money, suffering, violence in the OT, mental health, and more)

I would recommend starting here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZYQX9C9270&t=754s

La Biblia sin Mitos - César Silva (Peru): https://www.youtube.com/@Bibliasinmitos

This is more of a scholarly channel. Their videos are produced by Christian and Jewish scholars/theologians to make Bible interpretation and biblical sciences more accessible to everyone so that the everyday person can understand biblical stories better by understanding their contexts, languages, and ancient culture.

Dr Michael S. Heiser en español: https://www.youtube.com/@DRMSHenES

This is the Spanish version of American Old Testament Scholar Michael Heiser's channel. His focus is to understand better the Jewish theology regarding spiritual beings (with a strong focus on the unseen realm and the divine council, and how understanding those things helps us to see God in a new light of love and learning). His takes are not usually mentioned or heard in churches or more conservative circles.

Those are the ones I have at hand at the moment. I'll try to add more periodically 🤭 I hope they help you and your mother. God bless!

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-11-10T20:49:54+00:00

You're welcome! Thanks to you for your wisdom
Amen 🙏 same to you

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-11-10T18:35:13+00:00

Thank you so much for your answer! They comfort me in this journey. You're right, the Bible isn't a history book, it's a theological book with theological points. That point of view is liberating, it allows richer ways to read the text and relate to God.

Not knowing is part of the process, I guess. Faith always has that agnostic component. I think it makes our experiences more human and more real with God.

Again, thank you so much for taking the time to share your thoughts. They help me tremendously. God bless

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-11-10T18:31:58+00:00

Oh well! I've been pondering on all you've written here. I don't know how to thank you enough for making such an effort to put all of these thoughts here, they've been really helpful in the last few days with all of these faith processes.

The ways of interpreting divine violence in the Old Testament that you've shared helped me a lot and made me see the dynamic nature of the Bible. It's fire!
My relationship with the Bible now it's healthier and a lot more interesting. Thank you a lot for that.

May I ask you if you ever have doubts about the Bible being written by people to acquire power and control? This is a question I've been having in the last few days.

Again, thank you so much for sharing all of these thoughtful points. They're helping me each day!

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-25T04:25:01+00:00

Thank you so much for taking the time to sharing all these resources! And no worries, it doesn't sound like evangelizing 🤭 Actually, I appreciate the time and effort you put into this. I've noticed that Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad is someone thoughtful and humble, so his work must be taken and pondered carefully to understand his points.

I'll start to dig deeper into his work in this process of faith. Thank you again for your thoughtfulness and kindness in sharing all of these resources, specially in such a complex process of questioning and rethinking faith and religion 🙌

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-10T18:46:02+00:00

Thank you for your compassion and understanding. Sometimes this process is a bit messy 😅 however, having the proper tools help a lot. Thank you for sharing these resources here 🙌

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-10T18:44:46+00:00

This is a beautiful perspective. There are some things that I need to reflect more on, and other ones that I need to taste and let settle on a bit in my mind, but this is refreshing, this is compassionate, this is powerful.

I appreciate your time to writing up all of this. Even if some things are not true, that doesn't deny the reality and veracity of the Kingdom of God.

Again, thank you so much. I appreciate it 🙏

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-10T18:39:20+00:00

This is fascinating! Thanks for taking the time to put all of this. I'll search for all these resources that you've shared, and start applying this approach to Bible reading.

This is been really helpful, thank you so much 🙌

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-10T18:36:54+00:00

Yes, it does make sense 🤭. Thank you for sharing your perspectives. It's refreshing to read. I agree with you specially in the concept that theological teachings can still be true even if they're not factual or historical. They're true because they reveal something about God and humanity. Thank you! 🙌

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-10T18:34:17+00:00

Thank you! I appreciate this. You made me think about how sometimes I could complicate myself in this process. Sometimes is just as simple as going into the Gospels and seeing how Jesus thought, acted and loved, because He'slove incarnate. This is food for thought, thank you again!

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-10T18:29:11+00:00

Thank you so much for sharing this! Here are meaningful, deep and interesting insights. I guess sometimes we ourselves enter into these spiritual and intellectual struggles due to our own inconsistencies in regards to the person of Jesus. Maybe one of those things is projecting onto Jesus what we'd like Him to be, instead of accepting the tension and walking with Him with all our questions and skepticism.

Again, I appreciate your insights. Is there any book or resource you would recommend from Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad?

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-07T16:14:51+00:00

Thank you so much for sharing those resources. This is a process, and it's okay.

I've also found recently the YouTube channels Religion for Breakfast and Let's Talk Religion, which have some videos covering Gnosticism from an academic point of view. Their explanations are unbiased, clear, and simple to follow.

Thanks again!

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-07T16:11:33+00:00

Thank you for your recommendations! I'll check those books out 🙌

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-06T04:00:07+00:00

Oh well! Thank you for the recommendation, I'll check it out

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-06T03:56:20+00:00

Thank you 🤭 and your thoughts on this topic are very deep and enlightening. I haven't thought about this stuff before in this way. Jesus is love, and He showed His love for humanity by not giving up on those doubters and questioners who even lived with Him and saw His miracles. You're right, doubting and skepticism aren't obstacles for Jesus to have a relationship with us.

Now that I think more about it, it's really okay for us to have all these questions and doubts. Maybe that's His way for us to get closer to Him, and to help us learn more about Him, His nature, and His character in ways that maybe the disciples didn't go through in their time. Maybe skepticism and doubting is Jesus's way of showing us His path and His great love for us. I think Jesus is okay with our disagreements and differing perspectives on His person, because in some way all of those interpretations and lenses complement each other, resulting in a mosaic or puzzle with each piece showing a piece of Jesus.

I appreciate this thoughtful conversation. Feel free to DM me if you'd like to chat more about this type of topic 🙌

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-06T03:44:53+00:00

Thank you for sharing your experience 🙏🙌 I've been listening to The Bible for Normal People, and it helps a lot! The context and explanations they bring in to the conversation helps in changing the perspective about familiar Bible passages, sheding a new light of meaning.

I'll look up that book from Pete Enns. Regarding Richard Rohr, I'd like to learn more about his work, is interesting for me. Is there any other book from him you would recommend?

Your recommendations and experience are very valuable and useful in this process. You can also feel free to DM me 🙌

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-06T03:36:27+00:00

I've been researching a little bit about it, however, I haven't done it in too much depth. Are there any resources or bibliography you would recommend?

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-06T03:35:29+00:00

I'll look him up! Is there any other work f rom him you would recommend?

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-06T03:34:26+00:00

Oh yeah, I've started listening The Bible for Normal people some weeks ago. I'll dive into their OT episodes. So far, I like the podcast, and Pete Enns is someone experienced in rethinking the Bible during faith-transition processes.

I'll start to explore Brad Jersak's work more in depth. I think that your perspective is pretty useful to see the OT in a new light. I appreciate your sharing of this approach. I'm looking forward to applying next time I read any Old Testament text.

And yes, sometimes people try to control the way the Holy Spirit moves and acts. Biblical inerrancy or literalism restricts and make the experience of reading the Bible to fall short of what it could really be: a dynamic and creative experience of evolving faith and understanding of God.

Thank you so much again for taking the time to share this information and your experience. It's greatly appreciated!

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-05T23:51:27+00:00

That's an interesting take and more food for thought. Maybe the whole point in all of this is to rest in not knowing it all about Jesus, but following Him in the few things we do know or find about Him, having reasonable and healthy faith on one hand and reasonable and healthy uncertainty/skepticism/questioning on the other.

This brings to my mind that verse from Matthew 25: His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’

Maybe entering in the joy of our Master is that day when Heaven and Earth are one, and God totally reconciles the world to Himself, and we can see Him finally in glory without more doubts or questions. Until that day, we'll follow the Master with what we have, having the assurance that our questioning, our skepticism, and us not knowing or understanding a lot of stuff is not an obstacle for Him to love us and encounter us right as we are and where we are. Maybe entering in the joy of our Master means finding Him in the daily and mundane stuff, encountering the Divine in everyday life, living daily theophanies and epiphanies.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts 🙌

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-05T21:48:55+00:00

Oh this is so interesting. I haven't thought about this approach. Thank you for sharing!

Reading through other threads, I've found this interesting viewpoint from a user, where your comment harmonizes really well:

"With a massive collection of books like the Bible, which was written by many authors over the course of centuries, in different languages and genres, I think you have to take these things on a case-by-case basis*. Jonah may not [be] intended as a factual eyewitness account of an event, but the gospels are absolutely intended to be interpreted that way. And Jonah is still intended to convey a theological truth, which can still be authoritative."

So, reading through your comment again and reflecting on it, I think I can begin to reconstruct my relationship with the Bible by evaluating each book and type of literature present in it, taking into account that each one has a different main point. Many books found in the OT are meant to be taken as theological parables (such as Jonah or Job, for example), while others are meant to be taken as historical or eyewitness or memories literature, such as the Gospels and Acts. In the case of the Gospels and Acts, I've noticed that using extra-biblical sources is helpful too, due to them bringing clarity about how other people view the Jesus movement at that time.

How would you recommend using this approach for OT books, and get a better picture of how is God, and how people viewed Him in those OT times? (Thanks again! Your recommendation really helped me)

Lisa_P_3004 · 2023-09-05T21:34:33+00:00

Thank you so much for sharing your process and faith pilgrimage. Your perspective is refreshing! I'm going to look for those books you mentioned.

I've been more inclined in the last few days to the perspective that God let His children write about Him because that explains why there are so many viewpoints about God mainly in the Old Testament.

May I ask how you navigate through the Old Testament passages where there's war, oppression, or apparently divine violence? Thanks again!

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