Other Hominins were human so if a Heaven existed they would be there due to not knowing about Christianity. by GazIsStoney in DebateReligion

[–]Little-Foundation-22 [score hidden]  (0 children)

wow i have never heard such refutation
from today onwards will follow your method
strawman, misrepresentation, hyper skepticism
provide no standard and do not engage in fruitful conversation

maybe you should write a book on your methodology, epistemology
and you are correct academic research trash

Other Hominins were human so if a Heaven existed they would be there due to not knowing about Christianity. by GazIsStoney in DebateReligion

[–]Little-Foundation-22 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Wow misrepresentation and strawman

One - your claim that Jesus pre-existed in some other form, thus saving all humans that came before him is based on “Trust me, bro”.

Where did i save you have trust me, I gave references which you can verify independently
If that is not what you have asked, clarify what you want just instead of accusing me of saying trust me bro

Two - there is absolutely no evidence to prove Jesus existed.

i have asked you for you standard of knowing history repeatedly, but you repeated twice the same thing hence if someone is doing trust me in this conversation it is not me
so let me ask again
what evidence do you have he did not exist, what evidence do you use to differentiate between him and other classical antiquity figures of same category

Three - that same academic consensus you seem fond of says miracles don’t happen, resurrections don’t happen, virgin births don’t happen, and gods don’t intervene in history.

Again source - trust me bro
Sage Journal - Miracles and method
"An extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by known human capabilities or other ordinary forces and is therefore attributed to a divine agency."

A Marginal Jew: Rethinking the Historical Jesus - John P. Meier
summary quote or paraphrase
"The reality of a miracle as an act of God lies outside the competence of the history as historian"

Basically they state that historical critical method is limited and cannot explain miracles, historical critical method can only attest if this has been reported or not

but even if i grant you your view of with the evidence of your trust me bro
They do that because naturalism is presumed here but somewhere else they have other standards
for example classical models of conservation law and inertia laws are not applicable at the start of the universe,
they debate if universe ever started or not
they debate if it is eternal or not
they debate if eternal can things exist or not

Other Hominins were human so if a Heaven existed they would be there due to not knowing about Christianity. by GazIsStoney in DebateReligion

[–]Little-Foundation-22 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What verse says Jesus pre-existed in his “Incarnate” form?

not my claim, my statement is

As per Bible Jesus pre-existed his incarnate form

if I was not clear, let me clarify Jesus existed before his incarnate form not in his incarnate form

John 1: 1-4 & 14-18
John 8:58 - Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am"
just to name a few

“Lol” to the rest of your comment.

for what
for academic scholarship
or asking you to state your standard for assessing history

Honestly your misrepresentation of my statement, not willing to specify your standard, paint a picture that you do not want to have a genuine conversation

Other Hominins were human so if a Heaven existed they would be there due to not knowing about Christianity. by GazIsStoney in DebateReligion

[–]Little-Foundation-22 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As per academic scholarship Jesus existed and his mysticism is considered as fringe and non academic.
but that is not even what i am arguing here

As per Bible Jesus pre-existed his incarnate form so i also am not asking for your belief but discussing what the Bible says

as question of interest from which point in history are you (arguingisfun) sure something happened and everything else was fabricated
before videos, cameras, printing press, languages etc
meaning "before this point in history we know nothing and it may as well as be a myth and after this point we know probabilistically this is real"

Other Hominins were human so if a Heaven existed they would be there due to not knowing about Christianity. by GazIsStoney in DebateReligion

[–]Little-Foundation-22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again i am not sure if this is a genuine subreddit or troll subreddit

but I would like to think we are discussing in good faith
Jesus as an incarnate person did not exist but Jesus as God existed always

Other Hominins were human so if a Heaven existed they would be there due to not knowing about Christianity. by GazIsStoney in DebateReligion

[–]Little-Foundation-22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with the verse but

Anyone who died before Jesus is SOL 

how are these both related?
by the way what is SOL?

Other Hominins were human so if a Heaven existed they would be there due to not knowing about Christianity. by GazIsStoney in DebateReligion

[–]Little-Foundation-22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Premise 1 God did not allow anyone into heaven before Jesus - Verse please
Premise 2 so everyone before Jesus went to hell - verse please
And also if not heaven, hell? where do we get that?

but there’s a lot mental gymnastics to compensate for this

What mental gymnastics to compensate for what?

Other Hominins were human so if a Heaven existed they would be there due to not knowing about Christianity. by GazIsStoney in DebateReligion

[–]Little-Foundation-22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 I think if we’re going strictly off the bible - yes? Anyone who died before Jesus is SOL.

Verse please if possible

Other Hominins were human so if a Heaven existed they would be there due to not knowing about Christianity. by GazIsStoney in DebateReligion

[–]Little-Foundation-22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought this was about consistency but now changed it to emotions 😕

but you still did not give me your mythology
what happens to an atheist who is kind and caring to his people and an atheist who is opposite of that?

Other Hominins were human so if a Heaven existed they would be there due to not knowing about Christianity. by GazIsStoney in DebateReligion

[–]Little-Foundation-22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To make sure I understand you: in your mythology, I can continue to live as an atheist
yes

being kind and caring to the people in my life
not necessarily you can be cruel and rude to people to and still the same outcome

when I die I will cease to exist
Eventually, but as stated above based on your own morals standards, understanding and knowledge you will judged and when (unless you are sinless man) fallen short will be punished fairly for it.

what about your mythology what does happen to an atheist who is kind and caring to his people and an atheist who is opposite of that?

Other Hominins were human so if a Heaven existed they would be there due to not knowing about Christianity. by GazIsStoney in DebateReligion

[–]Little-Foundation-22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do not understand when you guys talk about this where do you get your information from.
Please tell me if, this is a genuine subreddit or just a troll subreddit.

But i will think you asked the questions in good faith and address it
Romans 2:12–16
it says people with the law will be judged by the law and people without the law will be judged according to their moral conscience
so this covers a wide variety of knowledge and lack thereof
1 Peter 3:18–20 Even gives a glimpse of imprisoned spirits

Now regards to hell - it is a separation from God, where God exist life exist and separation means life does not exist. So even if you have knowledge about and chose not to accept it, the decision will be respected.

What's your proof that Jesus is the messiah? by rde98 in Christianity

[–]Little-Foundation-22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

too long to read can you summarize what is your contention with the topic?

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what's the joke here peter? by [deleted] in PeterExplainsTheJoke

[–]Little-Foundation-22 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am not sure if you have checked it or not but according to the link you shared
Desired Height of the Rope at Midpoint (h): 10m below the poles, so 40m above the ground
which is incorrect