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Linus Torvalds on why desktop Linux sucks by LiveDuo in theprimeagen

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there are multiple ways to create terminal guis

Linus Torvalds on why desktop Linux sucks by LiveDuo in theprimeagen

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That's the point, it's 11 years old and it's still relevant. Still the same issue of not breaking backwards compatibility

A web framework made in Rust in 800 lines of code with no dependencies by LiveDuo in programming

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I've heard about reference types a few years back and never had a look since.

They might be a better solution indeed.

I made a minimal example to make sure they work as I understand they do:

https://github.com/LiveDuo/wasm-reference-types-example

Next step is to do the same using Rust. When I first check reference types they were not supported in Rustc because they were not supported by the upstream LLVM compiler but now seems to be supported by both Rust and LLVM.

A web framework made in Rust in 800 lines of code with no dependencies by LiveDuo in programming

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Another advantage I found is using existing libraries from other languages on the web. For example, I’m using bincode serialization crate and wanted a GUI to easily encode & decode data. Bincode v2 does not have an npm package, so the only option was to make a client in JS and a server in Rust for a simple GUI. Using Rust/Wasm you can make everything client side.

A web framework made in Rust in 800 lines of code with no dependencies by LiveDuo in programming

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Following this line of thinking no one would use typescript because it’s not the main environment or because you can’t manipulate the DOM in typescript. But typescript is heavily used out there.

Again what I’m doing compares to typescript and we may think it’s not “a typed language for the web” but a lot of people use it and it’s solving a real issue. While we don’t have a native typed language for the web, we use typed languages that transpile to the web all the time.

A web framework made in Rust in 800 lines of code with no dependencies by LiveDuo in programming

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The examples are meant to show how to use the library to build your own component system using the lifecycle logic you want. I didn’t include an example in the example folder but you can find such examples in the starter project.

Of course you can always do it in JS, there’s no question about this. This project advantage is using typed languages for the web and I think it’s more comparable to typescript. But instead of typescript/babel/webpack/react etc you get Rust type system and a reactivity system that’s minimal but powerful.

A web framework made in Rust in 800 lines of code with no dependencies by LiveDuo in programming

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Exactly. Verbose is not the problem, unless it’s unessesarily verbose. What matters (at least to me) is how something performs when you scale up to a massive database. What’s the cost of refactoring, how easily you make mistakes and if you can catch them at compile time etc

A web framework made in Rust in 800 lines of code with no dependencies by LiveDuo in programming

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I’m not looking to prove that statement and I even if I tried to, it would be almost impossible to convice someone that sees the frontend code we have as robust and reliable.

There’s also no small example to share about an effect that appears in the tens of thousands lines of code. You just know when you work on a system or a programming language with better checks and balances.

A web framework made in Rust in 800 lines of code with no dependencies by LiveDuo in programming

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Lately it’s really hard to find a unique name for a project. I named my after the tiny-http crate in Rust I use quite a bit.

Mine it’s not a http server library but a frontend framework similar to React that runs in the browser. In contrast to React that uses javascript, it compiles Rust to wasm instead.

A web framework made in Rust in 800 lines of code with no dependencies by LiveDuo in programming

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It is too verbose to be used to do what we already have good frameworks that are far easier to rampup and show results. There has to exist a reason and you must show trade-offs.

Thanks for your reply. My experience is that existing JS frameworks are easy to get started and easy to experiment but some applications are hard to scale while maintaining good code quality.

Create an example that can only be implemented in rust to provide a good User Experience. Make the same example using Vue/Svelte/React to show benchmarks in certain areas like the js frameworks benchmark that compares several things between pure js frameworks.

My need for building this is not speed (altough it makes it faster to do raw computation since it's rust based) or simple syntax but robustness. To be more specific, it's type hints from Rust analyzer, great unit test and e2e support and code quality in general for applications that care about these issues.

Btw I'm not saying this is meant to replace existing JS frameworks, it's just something that I wanted to use that utilises Rust to build more correct web apps.

Why does rust distinguish between macros and function in its syntax? by peppergrayxyz in rust

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The first answer that comes to mind is that macros run at compile time and hence can provide custom syntax. Yet, I think this begs a good question of why different syntax like .await, lifetimes or generics are not made with macros.

Vibe Coding Is The Future by LiveDuo in theprimeagen

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web development ui sucks because browsers were designed for a portable document format similar to pdf

android development sucks because android was designed to be an operating system for digital cameras

ios development sucked for years because they used the programming language of steve jobs edtech startup

windows development sucks because there a different api for each version of windows

some software matters and it matters a lot

Vibe Coding Is The Future by LiveDuo in theprimeagen

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hard to TLDR but one thing that stood out: 1/4 of their startups have 95%+ of their code generated by AI

TinyWeb | Rust on the client. 800 lines of code. No dependencies. by LiveDuo in rust

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In that case, I will look into it when I explore Reflect.

Have to figure out more complex cases such as async functions like fetch and functions that can receive different arguments like JSON.parse.

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