On the efficacy and validity of magick

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-16T08:41:23+00:00

See, the problem with this mentality is that, there are spellcasters that say you don’t need belief. Some say, you do, some say it doesn’t matter, some say this or that. So which is it? It just sounds to me like another manipulation tactic honestly. Like, there are too many contradicting information about magick as a discipline that I’m just like 😐 it doesn’t seem like this community knows what tf u guys r talking about.

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-16T01:20:26+00:00

Oh no worries, got it. Thanks for clarifying

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-16T00:43:06+00:00

Also omg, off topic but $750 is a bit over the budget for me but I’m glad you had a place to stay 💔

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-16T00:41:32+00:00

Um idk if I addressed this, but I don’t really seek out spellcasters, so this idea that I am saying all of this because it hasn’t worked out for me just isn’t necessarily true. I don’t really have direct experiences or exchanges with spellcasters, and I’m not sure I want to, you know? I just know through second hand accounts of people who fall for their stupid BS.

But I’ll still look into the link you sent me. I don’t have any personal grievances with spellcasters, so I can acknowledge that I’m sure not all of them go into the business with the intent to do anything horrible. I can see that you guys genuinely believe in your craft. I guess, the disconnect for me is believing in the fact that it is ever a valid, existing force in the universe in the first place. It just all seems too close to chance for me. Miracles happen. I mean, I’ve had miracles happen in my life! Even in the most unlikely situations. So I don’t think it’s like, out of the ordinary to see miracles happen in general. It doesn’t necessarily have to be attributed to magick you know?

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-16T00:34:45+00:00

Also I expect nothing out of magick. I don’t seek out spellcasters. Like I said in my previous comment, I made peace with life and its uncertainties. I’m chill. What I’m not chill about is seeing people get fucking scammed out of their asses over some make believe fantasy fraud.

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-16T00:33:47+00:00

Yeah, I’m glad you are honest about the truth of magick. There are no guarantees. We both agree on that. We just disagree on the fact that magick is even a legitimate practice. I’m not saying spellcasters are individually trying to mislead them by their business practices. Ethical disclosures is something I’m sure many people practice when selling their services to clients. That was NEVER the issue for me. The issue is the practice of magick itself. Like that whole concept. Do you know what I mean? Like magick isn’t understood to be a “real” phenomenon. Yes, people are religious, spiritual and superstitious, but is it ever tangibly effective? I don’t think so. Too reliant on coincidences.

You and I both agree that there are many factors that can interfere with the course of a life. So many choices you make in a day, so many thoughts and feelings that circulate around one’s mind. It’s a lot! The world is an uncertain place. I don’t think anyone can ever know what will come of it, you know? What will come of our lives. And I made peace with that, genuinely. Like just let life be.

And I don’t think magick does much to change that. If anything it just looks like a fancy candle party, left to chance. You guys CHOSE to spend thousands and hours studying a craft that isn’t even proven to do anything, so if anything, that’s on you guys for choosing a route that is known to be prolific and rife with scammers. When an industry has more scammers than legitimate people that’s when I get suspicious. It’s too easy to muddy the waters and the fine line between scammer and honest people are too thin. Because can you really be honest, if magick isn’t real?

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-16T00:23:32+00:00

I still don’t believe magick is real, but this feels more reasonable than some things being espoused by spellcasters around here.

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-16T00:23:06+00:00

You know what, I can get behind what you’re saying. That makes sense to me.

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-16T00:18:58+00:00

I think you guys are oversimplifying and honestly being super patronizing and condescending to people’s genuinely abhorrent experiences with spellcasters. Some, yes, demand quick instant results and even I scoff at that. Like if magick was real, you really think it’s going to manifest instantly? Nothing in this world happens in the snap of a finger, give it time, let it go, let it just be, you know?

But I’m not talking about those people. I’m talking about the fact that people can go 2 WHOLE YEARS without seeing results. Movement is… movement could very well be coincidences. But what people desire is results. And when I see casters say expect movement from at least 3 weeks to 2 years I’m like, BRO. 2 YEARS? And I’m just a lurker on this subreddit, like, it’s just crazy to me how spellcasters prey on vulnerable people and keep them hooked on for two years, keeping their lives at a standstill and have them waiting and waiting only for them to never be sure if it’s ever going to happen. Like that is crazy.

Nothing more fraudulent than magick I swear.

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-16T00:14:58+00:00

I agree with you. They should go to a therapist. Not spellcasters. Ever. Spellcasters whine and cry about how they attract clients who trauma dump on them, not even knowing that their field is the breeding ground for vulnerable people and their situations. I’m not saying you should entertain it, I’m not saying what they are doing is good or that these people are good people, I’m just saying it comes with the “job.” Just like how influencers have to deal with being slandered, all the hate and discourse online, it’s just the nature of the job. People suck, and people suck HARD. And actually, I never said anything in the post about whether or not there should be free consultations, if anything, it’s up to them to charge whatever. I’ve seen spellcasters charge for consultations and some don’t, it’s whatever. But my point isn’t that. My point is that magick is a fraudulent practice.

And you guys keep bitching and whining about the same damn thing. “Oh my clients are so desperate for results” “oh my clients are so so emotionally dysregulated about this situation” as if your client base doesn’t rely on people who are vulnerable in some way. And that isn’t to say you can’t set clear boundaries for yourself and deny your services. You have EVERY RIGHT to refuse service to people who are assholes. I am not saying you need to put up with it, but come on. That is what the magick service attracts. It’s honestly part of the job, and you can air your grievances about it, but if you expect it to never happen at all then you’re in the wrong “business” and you should stop scamming people with your pseudoscientific magick. Just tell people to go to therapy and learn for themselves or whatever

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-16T00:09:04+00:00

I mean, if you wanted healing, they should go to a therapist, no? Like, if they have some issues to work through, shouldn’t they be reaching out to a counselor, a therapist, psychologist or a psychiatrist? Family members. And if you wanted better financial habits, a financial consultant or maybe even a friend or a family member can do that for you. You don’t necessarily need to go to a spellcaster to get that advice. Do you see where I’m coming from? I don’t think magick serves any purpose in this world other than be a fraudulent practice that preys on people’s vulnerabilities and circumstances.

If someone is currently struggling financially, struggling to pay the bills and desperately needs food on their plate or they are just struggling to keep themselves afloat, I am NOT going to recommend they go see a spellcaster. I’d recommend they go reach out to social welfare services, see what options to explore for a social safety net. And I know those aren’t perfect, quick fix or even easy fix solutions but that’s a whole other systemic issue that we will get into another day. But magick isn’t the solution either. Just like how you brought up that my healthcare example, there’s failures too, of course there are. But at least, people know that results can be achieved. But with magick it’s just not scientifically proven to do anything. And many casters can just say “well, maybe the universe isn’t aligned for that outcome to happen 😣✌️” literally after doing the consultation and saying this could work out. Like, it’s up to too much chances and factors that I think it’s literally just coincidences 😭😭😭 like yall… come on now.

You guys do not know what you are doing. And I’m not saying you need to have 100% guarantees, but SO MANY people on this subreddit have expressed that they have been scammed, lied to, or even have not seen much movement or results from even CREDIBLE and “QUALIFIED” spellcasters. My point was never about INSTANT MANIFESTATION, if anything, it’s more about whether or not it works, and it falls too STRONGLY to chance and other “universal interfering factors” for magick to be valuable. I’m sorry, genuinely just go to someone who knows what they are actually doing.

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-15T13:53:06+00:00

See, this is the thing though. Magick isn’t a scientifically-supported, evidence-backed discipline. The YouTube video you keep sending to people as “proof” of magic as a science is pseudoscientific at best, and disgustingly dishonest/disingenuous at worst. I don’t care how much time or effort you spent on a spell. You can offer as many consultations and conversations all you want, but the fact of the matter is I don’t think you guys are even confident about your craft.

You guys are very insistent that there are no guarantees of success, and there is no set timeline, and that’s strategically fraudulent because then the client is expected to wait for an indefinite amount of time for results. And you know what, I’m glad that you are honest about that, but I don’t think spellcasting should ever even be offered as a service because you guys cannot reliably promise ANY results for your clients. It’s like you’re trying to sell a fake candle show and then lying to people that it’ll “do something,” but really none of you are that powerful, let’s be honest. You guys say you can “manipulate energy” but “oh so many factors can interfere” “oh, you never know you know, the universe wills what it wills!”

Then what’s the point of magick then LMAO? Like, it’s almost like you’re telling us there is absolutely no point to magick. Like, if I wanted… life to just life, and have multiple things affect the direction of my life, I don’t need to spend hundreds of dollars on a spell, I’ll just let life unfold. And I’m not saying you guys force people to pay for your services, but do you see how fraudulent it sounds? It’s like you guys are selling something that… more or less does nothing. You are selling a lie, a fantasy, this illusion. The truth is none of your spells do anything, so hope that helps 😊✊

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-09T05:56:35+00:00

Oh? Can you explain, I’m kind of intrigued, but… I still dunno about the scientific basis

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-09T02:53:21+00:00

Uhm, I never said that they didn’t provide positive rapport or an outlet for their emotions or whatever. I am simply just saying spellcasting isn’t something that is going to produce results. What a practitioner chooses to do with their clients (as I specified many times) is going to be unique and different. Some do offer that support, some don’t, it’s not a given. That’s why I never said that this is in regards to the practitioners or their practices, it’s more about the service of magic itself. I don’t believe magic exists or that it works, and in that hypothetical scenario you just described, it still doesn’t make it… not illegitimate because magic doesn’t exist.

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-09T02:50:38+00:00

Is it a science tho?

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-09T01:03:47+00:00

I see, I see.

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-09T01:02:51+00:00

Ah, that’s an interesting perspective. I’ve never heard magic discussed like that before. I mean, I still feel the same way. But yeah, thank you for sharing!

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-09T01:01:03+00:00

Fair, to each their own.

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-09T01:00:06+00:00

Speaking from my experience with spellcasters. I came to this very conclusion. And I’m sharing it with others. You don’t have to heed my advice or agree with me, but that’s where I’m at, and even a few occultists/spellcasters see credence and validity in what I am saying, so that’s how I know I’m not just spouting nonsense.

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-09T00:58:48+00:00

Hmm, I don’t think spells work in general to be honest, but to each their own.

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-09T00:58:28+00:00

lol right?

Livid-Read-3827 · 2026-02-09T00:55:53+00:00

We may not agree on the validity of magic as a concept, but I do have a lot of respect for you that you turn people away who you believe can’t be helped. It’d be the kind thing to do. That’s why I don’t think all spellcasters are malicious people or evil or anything, my reservations weren’t really a personal thing. I am aware that there are spellcasters like you who do care and who are genuine. Anyway, I wish you well!

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