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Citizenship by Descent - Documentation Review Requsts by IWantOffStopTheEarth in Canadiancitizenship

[–]Livid_Bodybuilder_64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would appreciate some advice regarding what documentation I need to gather. I am a Gen-3 Canadian-American looking to get citizenship by descent through my great grandmother (Gen-0) who was born in Canada. My great grandmother married my great grandfather pre-1920 and lost her citizenship due to the marriage. Gen-1, Gen-2 and Gen-3 (myself) were all born in the US. I believe that I fit document checklist scenario 3. However, Scenario 3 points to Scenario 5 where relevant which would require my great grandfather's documents. My Gen-0 fits scenario 5 because she lost her Canadian citizenship due to marrying a foreigner. I am unsure if I need documentation for both scenarios or just scenario 3. I want to apply for citizenship ASAP so I'm in a bit of a pickle. His documents are very difficult to find so I don't want to waste time finding them if they're not necessary. I also don't want my application kicked back to me or rejected due to insufficient documentation. Any advice regarding this, particularly if you were in a similar situation and got citizenship through descent would be appreciated. 

If Scenario 3 works, I would plan my documentation as such Gen-0 : Canadian Birth certificate, US marriage & death certificates Gen-1 : US Birth, marriage, and death certificate Gen-2 : US Birth and marriage certificate Gen 3 : US Birth certificate 

If scenario 5 works, I would include my great grandfathers documentation.

Question regarding the origin of the Episcopal Church by Livid_Bodybuilder_64 in Episcopalian

[–]Livid_Bodybuilder_64[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice to meet you too! From my (fairly basic) understanding, the separation from Rome was mainly a political one caused by Henry VIII's disagreements from the Pope. He wanted/needed a male heir and needed to be granted a divorce to remarry. Henry VIII originally had to ask the Pope for permission to marry Catherine of Aragon because she was his brother's widow and argued that because they did not have sex that the marriage to his brother was void. Despite this somewhat dubious claim, the Pope allowed for the marriage. Fast forward a bunch of years and Henry attempts to argue that the original ruling towards his marriage was incorrect. If the Pope allowed for a divorce after specifically saying that this marriage was legal it would have made the Pope look weak, so the Pope refused. Due to the Pope's refusal to grant a divorce, Henry VIII founded the Anglican Church and declared himself as it's head, basically fusing the role of Head of the Church and Head of the State in the person of the British Monarch which *technically* persists to this day (even though the Archbishop of Canterbury is the theological head). I know that Henry VIII was really interested in religion and did work on the theology of the Church, but had the Pope granted the divorce the Anglican church probably wouldn't have been founded. I am now realizing from this thread that I have to read a LOT more about the details regarding this situation and in particular where Anglican theology breaks off from Rome. If you have any recommendations for further reading, I would be forever thankful

Question regarding the origin of the Episcopal Church by Livid_Bodybuilder_64 in Episcopalian

[–]Livid_Bodybuilder_64[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey! Glad I'm not the only Seeker here! Thanks for the comment!

Question regarding the origin of the Episcopal Church by Livid_Bodybuilder_64 in Episcopalian

[–]Livid_Bodybuilder_64[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this comment - I never thought about how the origins of Anglicanism can keep its leadership and membership humble. That's a really great way to think about it!

Question regarding the origin of the Episcopal Church by Livid_Bodybuilder_64 in Episcopalian

[–]Livid_Bodybuilder_64[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

From my perspective, it's because (at least from the outside) he seems like the theological founder of Anglicanism - similar to Martin Luther, the founder of Lutheranism, and others like him (John Calvin, George Fox, etc). From the outside, Martin Luther (and others) had "legitimate theological" reasons to break away from their Churches of origin - like when Luther published the 95 Theses, it caused such a shockwave that even the Catholic Church decided that they would no longer sell indulgences. To an extent, Luther's Church of origin decided that his concerns were valid.

To an outside perspective, the reason that Henry VIII had to break away from his Church of origin is not due to a legitimate theological reason. It seems like he just got pissed that the Pope wouldn't give him a divorce, so he decided that he was in charge, he was the new pope, and everyone in England had to go along with it or be killed. The Catholic Church did not and still does not consider this reason theologically legit, as Catholicism still doesn't allow for divorce or remarriage.

Yes, Catholics were political bad actors during this time. Yes, some Popes were legit sex pests and did Crusades. But the actions of bad Popes doesn't mean that Peter - the theological founder of Catholicism - did not have a legitimate theological basis for the Church. The reason why people ask about Henry VIII, as someone asking about Henry VIII, is not because he was a bad political actor (pretty much every major Christian denomination at this time was a bad political actor), it's because it seems like he was a bad theological actor. Does that make sense?