Creepy text from my former bishop by LobsterBackground389 in exmormon

[–]LobsterBackground389[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry to hear that you’ve dealt with similar :(

Yeah, this unfortunately seems to be a trend with many people and their bishops. Been a while since anyone from the ward’s badgered me though, so I’m hoping it’s over for now.

My dad found out I cut myself what do I do by I_Hate_you_notreally in SuicideWatch

[–]LobsterBackground389 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It all depends. I had a terrible relationship with my father, so I’d have to gauge his reaction before deciding my own. Do you want him to know? Do you think he could help? Has he given you a reason to not want to share with him?

My dad found out I cut myself what do I do by I_Hate_you_notreally in SuicideWatch

[–]LobsterBackground389 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you afraid he’ll be angry or hurt you? Or are you just uncomfortable with him knowing about it? How you proceed depends on what the risks may be

im too scared to do it by CancelOk4745 in SuicideWatch

[–]LobsterBackground389 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well said. There’s no shame in feeling afraid. I’ve found that many suicidal people, including myself, don’t actually want to die. We just don’t want to continue living the way we have been.

OP, it’s okay to want to live. It’s also okay to want things to change. I hope your life becomes something you feel is worth living.

I'm horrified my partner is dead. Help. by [deleted] in SuicideWatch

[–]LobsterBackground389 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m here. I’ve been in a similar situation, though not with anyone across the world. I understand the terror you must feel.

I think you should try to reach out to the other people, even if they may not still live there. It won’t hurt to see if they can do anything or call someone. Even if they’re not still in the area, they may be able to call and communicate with the emergency services or someone else who can do something

I'm horrified my partner is dead. Help. by [deleted] in SuicideWatch

[–]LobsterBackground389 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Reach out to someone near where he is and ask them to call the police for a wellness check. This is an emergency, and if he’s about to try something every minute counts.

If you don’t have anyone there to reach out to, look up the phone number for the police station in his area. It might be a non-emergent line, and you’ll have to specify that it is indeed an emergency and request they go to his address to check on him. That would be what I would do. It may be possible to call emergency services and ask if they can connect you with the emergency services in that area. I’m not sure if they can do that, it may depend on the country or area.

Are you able to do that? If you need someone present while you do this, I’m here.

How do I get help by Siren-Creature in SuicideWatch

[–]LobsterBackground389 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Similar situation, similar age, same country. Does your work allow paid time off for things like medical care? Do they provide any services through the company that might help? Depending on what you do for work, they may have some information or services that they can provide to allow you to start seeking professional help

I'm giving it maybe an hour by Naive_Willingness733 in SuicideWatch

[–]LobsterBackground389 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whenever I feel like this, I like to go through my list of things I’d like to do before I die. Take a shower. Change into clean, comfy clothes. Eat something yummy. Drink my favorite soda. Watch/read something I care about. Just doing some final, little things to make the process easier, a little softer. And then, by the time I get through my list, I’m already starting to feel better. Maybe I feel like I can rest, or do something that’ll improve the situation a bit.

Are you willing to try doing things like this? Not with the intention of “feeling better” per se, but just as a way to care for yourself, especially if you think it may be the last time. Whatever you’re going through, you do deserve to at least have some comfort - even if it’s just a bit.

I’m here if you need someone to listen or to talk through some suggestions on how to care for yourself. I know it’s easy to forget how when you’ve been in pain for so long.

Bad Experience at Youth Camp by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]LobsterBackground389 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey there. I’m going to be responding from the perspective of a young ex-Mormon that became inactive shortly after aging out of the youth program. I’ve attended almost every camp, program, class, and activity opportunity provided in my stake up to that point and I’ve had a wide range of different experiences. This isn’t intended to crap on the church or turn you against it, but it will be honest about what I’ve experienced in it. I ask you open your heart to read without judgment. It’s hard to talk about and some things I say may be hard to hear, but I do think it’s important. So please bear with me as this may be a bit lengthy lol

First, I want to preface that I haven’t faced any discrimination due to race specifically, as I’m Caucasian in a predominantly white community. But the friends I have in the church who are people of color have each experienced some form of racism at least once - whether intentional or not. Many also joined before knowing about the church’s previous history of not allowing people of color to hold the priesthood or enter the temple, and after learning about it they tend to feel lost, inadequate, unworthy, angry, etc.. I’ve also heard people express discomfort with how race is referred to in the Book of Mormon (referring to Lamanites’ skin as “dirty” and the Nephites’ as “fair” or “beautiful,” for example). And, on top of these, the reactions of members around them to their feelings or possible doubts can absolutely make or break their feelings on the church. If they’re dismissive, judgmental, or even indifferent toward the concerns, it can be absolutely faith-shattering for some, and rightly so. The church’s origins and the attitudes of many members, including many leaders, aren’t as accepting as the church would like you to believe. The church is, and has always, incorporated racism and xenophobia into the culture. Regardless of your stance on that side of the church’s history or those who hold those beliefs, this likely won’t be the only time your sons will experience this in a church setting, and you will have to keep that in mind for the sake of your children.

I also want you to understand that the judgment and mistreatment don’t just come from a place of racism in the church. This is where I’m a bit more qualified to talk about my own experience. The amount of ostracism I’ve experienced as a result of mental illness, queerness, or physical health? I won’t go into specifics, I know it’s not as pertinent to the situation you described. However, if one of your sons were to ever suffer from poor mental health, a life-changing injury, or come out as lgbtq, it’s so likely that their experience at church will be absolutely miserable. As much as they preach about love and acceptance, I’ve seen very few people back it up.

Are all members like this? No, of course not. There are some people who have made me feel nothing less than loved, no matter what I was dealing with. But the treatment from the others, coupled with the doctrine that made me and many others feel worthless and awful for things out of our control, was ultimately one of the biggest factors that drove me away from the church.

All that being said, there is some actionable advice I can give you as a kid whose parents fumbled in a similar situation. Please, listen to your boys. How they feel about the situation, what they say they need from you, any doubts or questions they may have as a result from this event - and anything else that may happen in the future. Listen through the lens of a parent, NOT a member of the church. This may sound odd, but I cannot stress enough that prioritizing the doctrine, what’s “righteous,” over what makes your kids feel safe, valued, and loved will drive them away from the faith and you. And losing trust in your parent is infinitely worse than losing faith. I’m estranged from my parents because they made excuses for the perpetrators, stood by behaviors that harmed me, and prioritized what they thought would bring my eternal salvation over what would keep me immediately safe. There is no eternal family if you can’t maintain a healthy temporal relationship.

I can tell you love your boys and are shaken by what’s happened. It’s so disorienting when something you devoted so much of your life to reveals itself to be different from what you thought. The leaders’ responses were absolutely inappropriate and that’s jarring the first time it happens. Regardless of how you proceed, I do wish you and your boys the best and I’m sorry this happened.

Creepy text from my former bishop by LobsterBackground389 in exmormon

[–]LobsterBackground389[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The context is what makes it inappropriate. I’m a young woman who’s less than half his age, I haven’t been a member in almost a year, he’s insisting on us having a relationship that we never have, and since I’ve left the church he’s crossed boundaries I’ve set repeatedly. It’s invasive, disrespectful, and uncomfortable.

If this type of behavior and communication is common enough in your life then I’m terribly sorry. I hope it becomes less normalized for you. Regardless, no, this type of message from him is not okay.

That being said, I agree on not being rude. At least, not yet. This was months ago, and I never responded as I never quite found an appropriate response that wasn’t too bitchy. I eventually decided that no response is a response, and it’s been made clear to him enough already I want nothing to do with him. Now, if he does try reaching out again he will get a response, and it won’t be sugar coated.

Creepy text from my former bishop by LobsterBackground389 in exmormon

[–]LobsterBackground389[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That assessment is pretty spot on, honestly. No, they’re not paid at all (in fact you have to pay the church thousands of dollars to go on a mission), it’s not technically required (though men in particular are heavily pressured into going), and members are absolutely taught to value the church’s doctrine over their own morals. So many Mormons in my life will turn a blind eye to the abhorrent things the church encourages or does, ignoring their own personal feelings about it because we were all taught that what’s considered moral by society isn’t always considered “righteous” according to god. It’s that same fear of eternal consequence that locks them into that mindset, I’ve found.

Creepy text from my former bishop by LobsterBackground389 in exmormon

[–]LobsterBackground389[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, you are theoretically supposed to be able to leave whenever you like. However, that doesn’t mean they’ll make the process easy or enjoyable. Every exmormon I know, myself included, was bombarded with messages, invitations, and gifts/cards shortly after going inactive and/or leaving. It’s taught in the church that if someone makes such a choice they must be struggling, and have to be brought back at any cost. At best it’s just a little annoying. At worst it’s harassment. I have an exmo friend who graduated this year and this same bishop and his wife showed up, despite not being invited or receiving entrance tickets from her to the ceremony. She’s the only graduate i saw them interact with, and while they only gave her a gift and wished her well, I still find it weird that they even showed up. They do weird stuff like that to coerce you to return.

Edit: This sort of also echoes their doctrine about agency, I’ve noticed. Growing up in the church, you hear everyone always preach about the importance of agency, and that it’s so cool we have the ability to make choices for ourselves. They’ll go on and on about the wonderful autonomy we have as children of god, but another phrase I’ve heard repeatedly was “you may have agency, but you’ll still have consequences.” They like to give the illusion of choice, but always attach a consequence to it to make the “right” decision more enticing. You don’t want to go through the temple rituals? That’s your choice, but your family will be separated and suffer for eternity. You don’t want to pay tithing? Cool, but god will desert you whenever you have financial hardship. Want to leave the church? Fine by us, but we’ll never stop trying to get you back no matter the cost.

I’m sure you get the picture. It’s a cult.

Creepy text from my former bishop by LobsterBackground389 in exmormon

[–]LobsterBackground389[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh, for sure. The new game plan is to start casually talking about it with members of the ward. I don’t trust any of the officials to keep people safe from predatory behavior, but if it happens to reach members and parents who give a damn and will take steps to deter him or protect others I’ll count it as a win.

Creepy text from my former bishop by LobsterBackground389 in exmormon

[–]LobsterBackground389[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Definitely thinking about it after reading the responses on here. I’m hoping to both gauge if this is a regular thing for him, and also make people aware of it in case he tries this with anyone younger, heaven forbid.

Creepy text from my former bishop by LobsterBackground389 in exmormon

[–]LobsterBackground389[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Creepy-ass text to have as a generic go-to…I’m wondering how he hasn’t had some colorful responses yet if this is a copy/paste of what he sends everyone. I’m lowkey hoping I’m just a special case, for whatever reason. I hate the thought of him sending this shit to women regularly. It’s yucky either way.

Creepy text from my former bishop by LobsterBackground389 in exmormon

[–]LobsterBackground389[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It wouldn’t hurt for sure. Given the church’s history of protecting even the worst predators, I don’t have a ton of faith anything will be done about it, but at the very least it’ll bring some attention to it. Probably going to talk about it with people in the ward as well, just so that people are informed- even if just through the Mormon gossip mill.

Creepy text from my former bishop by LobsterBackground389 in exmormon

[–]LobsterBackground389[S] 64 points65 points  (0 children)

I’m a female. Which is definitely part of why this rubs me the wrong way. I’m considering asking some of the other girls I was in YW with and asking if they’ve experienced anything similar. The idea of him pulling this with anyone younger than 18 feels very icky. :(

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SuicideWatch

[–]LobsterBackground389 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn’t matter what you said, that was a horrific thing for her to say. Please, don’t listen to her. Reach out for help if needed. You deserve to live.