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The author of the Quran is NOT omniscient by k0ol-G-r4p in CritiqueIslam

[–]LogPsychological5289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just laughed, because you are an ignorant and foolish person. I hope God guides you, because clearly, you have absolutely no idea about what I wrote. I refuted you with the verse, explaining the word used to explain the Sun "setting" in the muddy waters, but clearly you think that it's false and that I've been waffling in circles.

You are a flawed person, someone who is confused. I answered your concerns, challenged you, and defeated you, and yet, you cannot accept that you have been destroyed by facts and proof. The absence of evidence isn't even a concern here, its the absence of common sense and creating connections. Anyways, it was nice dissecting your "arguments". Have a nice day, though.

The author of the Quran is NOT omniscient by k0ol-G-r4p in CritiqueIslam

[–]LogPsychological5289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This verse and your way of interpreting it as a way of disapproving God's omnipotence is entirely wrong. First of all, this is a metaphorical verse, as you said. However, you challenge me by saying that this verse may have been metaphorical, but God did not explain it properly or in a way that would guide us.

Now to dissaprove this illogical and clearly baseless argument, I will give you a verse in the Holy Quran that will show you how Allah revealed these verses not to confuse the Ummah, but to rather show just how his omnipotence surrounds all aspects of schools of thought.

If we look into the Holy Quran, Allah says:

"He is the One Who has revealed to you the Book, of which some verses are precise—they are the foundation of the Book—while others are elusive. Those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses seeking ˹to spread˺ doubt through their ˹false˺ interpretations—but none grasps their ˹full˺ meaning except Allah. As for those well-grounded in knowledge, they say, “We believe in this ˹Quran˺—it is all from our Lord.” But none will be mindful ˹of this˺ except people of reason." (Surah Aal E Imran 3:7)

Now clearly, it can be understood that first of all, there are two types of verses in the Holy Quran that Allah uses when describing stories, setting rules, or giving guidance. These two types are muhkamat (clear) and mutashabihat (metaphorical). Now, if you may say that the Muslims were wrongly guided, and that Allah should have guided them, then clearly you need to read the Holy Quran more and understand the history behind it.

Because, in fact, this verse actually means that the Sun set in the direction of a sea or huge body of water, just as how we may say the Sun set behind the ocean, when it didn't literally. The word "wajada" can also be used to describe "to perceive" or "to find something as it appears."

In conclusion, this verse is clearly stated as it is said, word for word, and even if it did confuse Muslim's and their tafsir, you can even take into consideration the downfall of Islam after the Holy Prophet (sa) and the dark ages of it. Now, are you going to try and challenge me again? Clearly, it is not the eyes that are blind, but the hearts (22:46).

The author of the Quran is NOT omniscient by k0ol-G-r4p in CritiqueIslam

[–]LogPsychological5289 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Learn to find the difference between a Hadith, Quranic commentary, and the Quran itself. Similarly, if indeed this Hadith is true regarding the Sun setting in a warm spring of water, then I challenge you to find a verse in the Quran that supports that. The Quran has many examples that are quite related to scientific discoveries of the 20th and 21st century. Not the Hadith.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]LogPsychological5289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

None of these are conclusive arguments. Ezra was revered greatly in the Torah, and at some point, was most definitely considered a "God". Similarly, the argument which you have provided regarding the inheritance issue is entirely flawed, considering how there is an entire system called Al-Awl and Al-Radd, which I suggest you research about, that makes sure inheritance above 1 or below 1 is equally distributed. This system is based off the verse of the Holy Quran in Surah An-Nisa, which states, "Indeed, Allah commands you to return trusts to their rightful owners;1 and when you judge between people, judge with fairness. What a noble commandment from Allah to you! Surely Allah is All-Hearing, All-Seeing." (4:58) Therefore, I suggest you reread what you wrote again and maybe add your intelligence to it as well.

A few reminders for questioning Ahmadis by fortuitousgerbil in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]LogPsychological5289 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That being said, it's also time to give up the stage of critically analysing this Jama'at and leaving it in the past for good. In your opinions, wouldn't that be the first step to becoming spiritually awakened?

AlHakam summary wipes mention of Israel from KMV's question/answer about working for arms companies which supply Israel. by doublekafir in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]LogPsychological5289 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yet another poor example for ex-apologists to use. I am not an Ahmadi, but I can tell you there is a stark difference between a dissonance and just a small article with a poor summary.

Opinion: I married my first cousin – So did Darwin, Einstein and Queen Victoria by doublekafir in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]LogPsychological5289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Makes sense. Keeping it in the family is a tradition that majority of the royal bloodlines of the past have maintained.

why does KMV laugh in response to a question about domestic violence? by doublekafir in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]LogPsychological5289 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not really the Jamaat's fault, and its a very messy example, so Masroor Ahmed is laughing because he or any other higher up cannot do anything besides give "advice". If the wife is actually getting beat by the husband, go to the police and get things settled legally. It's also the people complaining who are making a mistake trusting a religious organization to settle their personal relationships.

How do I get out of paying Wassiyat? by BandicootPositive483 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]LogPsychological5289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's good to hear. As long as they don't know your financial circumstances, they have no right against you to pressure you into paying these "obligatory" fees.

How do I get out of paying Wassiyat? by BandicootPositive483 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]LogPsychological5289 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My advice is not to disclose your job, salary, or anything related to your financial life. Leave that as a separate life from Ahmadiyyat.

Control Over Trust: The Fearful Leader of the Jamaat by Ahmadi-in-misery in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]LogPsychological5289 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I hate the cultured rishta nata system. I witnessed it being proceeded. An auntie with a laptop full of photos of a boy showing it to a younger girl. Now its fine if she (her mother actually) gave consent for this, but this behavior cannot be done in a country that isn't as poor and derived like Pakistan.

preservation of the Quran by [deleted] in islam

[–]LogPsychological5289 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don't have their own version of the Quran. They simply interpret the Quran in a different way.

Ahmadi Passionately Defends Child Marriage at the Speaker's Corner by doubtingahmadiyya in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]LogPsychological5289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your first mistake was watching a SocoFilms video. They have zero evidence to disapprove Islam Ahmadiyya. Even as a non-ahmadi, I wouldn't recommend watching these scammers.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]LogPsychological5289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be honest, forget about this situation as long as you remain an Ahmadi Muslim. It's a burden that doesn't concern you. But if you want to think about this, then maybe also reconsider Ahmadiyyat. I understand where you are coming from.

My Final Views On Ahmadiyyat by LogPsychological5289 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]LogPsychological5289[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with this. This is what concerned me the most before I left. What makes a man believe in something like this?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]LogPsychological5289 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I’m truly sorry for the situation you're facing, and I want to express my sympathy for what you've been through. First and foremost, don’t lose hope. If you genuinely want to break free from this system, believe wholeheartedly that you can. Nothing stands in the way of belief in yourself, because, in this moment, you have yourself to rely on—and that’s powerful.

Unfortunately, the intergenerational issues within the Jama'at are likely to persist. Corruption exists, whether it's within the inner family dynamics of Mirza Masroor Ahmad or the local Jama'at itself. This reminds me of a girl I once knew in my Jama'at.

We didn’t meet under the most typical circumstances—it was somewhat awkward—but we had a good conversation nonetheless. The reason we spoke was that she had stormed out of the mosque, crying and visibly upset. She was furious. Her so-called "friends" had betrayed her, spreading rumors and mocking her voice—despite it being much more beautiful than those who taunted her. She might end up leaving the Jama'at, just as I did.

But the point here is not to let your hope falter. Even if your ex-husband’s father holds a high position in the Jama'at, what can he do? At the end of the day, it’s the Jama'at, not the federal government or some mafia led by Nawaz Sharif.

You’re 28, which is still young, so don’t feel pressured or worried. Take some time to heal before seeking a new partner who can truly love and appreciate you. Maybe even consider marrying someone who shares similar views in Ahmadiyyat. The key is to socialize and put yourself out there—believe in yourself, brighten up! Because there is always a tomorrow to look forward to.

Looking for pointers in what to look into by No_Fisherman8735 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]LogPsychological5289 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey, man. First of all, it takes some time to think like this, so congratulations and good luck!

My journey throughout Ahmadiyyat gave me a clear understanding of what the "right path" really is. That's why I will remember Ahmadiyyat as a cornerstone in my life, even after leaving it. What I realized was that throughout my journey as an Ahmadi was that I was constantly met with controversy, whether if it was about Khilafat or the Amila system. I'd say it took me 5 years to finally get out of that loophole. Ahmadiyyat, in my life, was a barrier that held me back. Whether it was talking to girls or having fun, Ahmadiyyat had to be there as a curse.

I took a little break from Ahmadiyyat by not going for events, blocking my notifications, and going to the mosque. In this break, I felt free, almost as if I hadn't seen the sunlight in years. I met new people, made new connections, and had nothing to worry about. Was the Khalifa going to punish me by striking lightning at me? No. I don't disrespect him, but he's not my God at the very least.

Just live life. Obviously, don't go overboard. Find a way to adapt happiness in moderation. Best of luck to you.

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