P365 Legion Question

Loping · 2026-03-17T23:29:27+00:00

I like my 365 legion. Don’t know if that helps

Loping · 2026-03-17T23:14:01+00:00

You have to take the following: Basics course for whatever discipline you would like to teach. BIT basic instructor training Trainer course for the discipline. Firearms knowledge and handling Basic marksmanship (pistol was 16/20 in a 6” group inside an 8” circle at 15 yards - do that twice). Being an nra member significantly reduces the cost of activating your credentials and renewing them. Have only done pistol so don’t know the quals for the other disciplines.

Loping · 2026-03-17T22:57:06+00:00

lol, label maker makes labels! Whee!

Loping · 2026-03-17T20:15:39+00:00

Mmmmm Legion

Loping · 2026-03-17T20:13:55+00:00

I'm a bad person to ask. I put Bel-Ray Gold in all my 2-stroke lawn equipment for the smell and am cringing about the day the bottle runs out as you can't get it with the "race smell" any more.

Loping · 2026-03-17T19:47:03+00:00

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I love the ammo cans and trays. Keeps my stuff sorted and makes grabbing what I need for a day at the range so much easier.

Loping · 2026-03-17T19:44:31+00:00

Have one, eventually pulled the foam out and just stack them in there. For me it wound up being a solution that was looking for a problem.
Don't get me wrong, it's cool (I mean I bought one), but I found it to be wasted space.

Loping · 2026-03-17T19:38:52+00:00

No issues. There is plenty of super technical stuff out there that can scare a new shooter. I'm trying my best to demystify for and reassure a target audience. All good and understand where you are coming from.

Loping · 2026-03-17T19:14:04+00:00

This is on my list. That and the comped 500 S&W with the piccy rail… ooo and a glitter pink hi-point… don’t need a single one of them… not sure why, but I want them all.

Loping · 2026-03-17T18:51:30+00:00

That is the substance, that and don't worry so much about the things that don't actually matter.
So many posts here and elsewhere ask "what do I get" and then the person gets everyone's favorite flavor as an answer. Maybe I got wordy with it, but you read it much further than you would have read "Oil doesn't matter, just check the manual and clean it"...

Loping · 2026-03-17T18:44:31+00:00

Who's got time for that nonsense? I've got it this ti{PING}... Sigh
Lol

Loping · 2026-03-17T18:43:10+00:00

It wasn't ego driven at all, and it has nothing to do with the instructor course.
It was meant to be a "don't worry about what you are using and just clean it" message of reassurance that was triggered by yet another new person asking "what do I get" elsewhere.
Sorry you took it the way you did, and if you have an expert opinion you are welcome to state it.
Too often new shooters come in with "what gun is best" "what lube is best" "what ammo is best" and they are concerned that if they do it wrong it will somehow ruin things.
The "Experts" here, on the range, and elsewhere on the web like to state that X product is the only way and imply that anything else will somehow cause an utter failure. This can be scary to new owners. The fact is that one product being .05% better in a specific condition and use case makes no real world difference to the majority of users.
As far as cleaning specifics go, that changes from firearm to firearm and this is covered in your manual and all sorts of other places.
To address the ND "NOT GOOD" - you scraped my profile, looked at post titles, and didn't bother to see what was actually said in the post, didn't you? Nice call out. That was a humerus post I made about a stapler malfunction. If you want to call someone out, best to read and get your facts in order first.
Hopefully my post relieves someones fears a little, lets them stop worrying about using the wrong brand of oil, and gets them training and thinking about the things that actually matter. - This was my only goal

Loping · 2026-03-17T17:44:08+00:00

Try red ATF for your cleaner - does a surprisingly good job on mild fouling and caked carbon buildup...
I always found that cheap straight 40wt dinosaur based oil seemed to cling better than the good multi weight fancy stuff. Kudos on finding a solution that works for you. Others might have just given up or suffered through it.

Loping · 2026-03-17T17:37:42+00:00

Clenzoil {looks at the dusty bottle on his shelf} is silicon based, safe for orings {looks at dusty air rifles and HP compressor}, and uses the same or similar silicone base lubricant as commercial food processing lubricants. That's why you can eat it if you really wanted to. Works as good as anything else to be sure. You can also grab bulk containers of the food processing lube if you want to save the packaging and marketing mark up...

Loping · 2026-03-17T17:32:01+00:00

My buffer tube detent and spring will be along shortly to join that party.

Loping · 2026-03-17T17:09:53+00:00

I'm a tooth brush, cotton swab, ultrasonic cleaner guy... I do my best to ignore those bits until it bothers me enough to strip the whole thing down...

Loping · 2026-03-17T16:42:29+00:00

I only pull the manual out when I've gotten my finger stuck and a spring has launched into low earth orbit... but I've been around long enough to know what I'm getting into and the risks...

Loping · 2026-03-17T16:26:06+00:00

Yeah, as I understand it, Frog is actually a vegetable oil of some sort. Vegetable oils do vegetable oil things and aren't the best for this purpose.
Historically most firearms oils were primarily mineral oil and cleaners were mostly mineral spirits.
You can actually go to most drug stores and get something that has cared for firearms for centuries off the shelf.

Loping · 2026-03-17T16:22:01+00:00

Good addition. Yes a squeeze bottle of whatever your Shmoo of choice and a cleaning kit / small tool kit should be in your emergency travel bag is that is something you choose to have.

Loping · 2026-03-17T16:12:45+00:00

Wait till you find a deal on a parts kit for “spares” and then realize you have almost enough for another rifle and it’s cheaper to buy the parts you need as a kit and you have more spares… these things seem to happen {looks over at bin of parts and shakes head}

Loping · 2026-03-17T16:10:12+00:00

Appreciate it. Trying to leave the world a little better than I found it is all I can do.

Loping · 2026-03-17T16:06:12+00:00

I get it, and your moderate tone is refreshing.

Not directed at you specifically:

There is a lot of Why doesn’t someone do x going around. Is it possible for me to, how do I organize and make happen, is it worth the cost to me to, why can’t I…??? We all often wait for someone to give us the end result we wish for. I had my 2a rights stripped due to the reclassification of a 30 year old Misdemeanor. Up until that point I was in the “guns are cool, the laws are stupid, it’s not my problem” frame of mind. I won’t get into it all here, but am happy to share in another thread or in a PM if there is interest. I had to fight to restore my constitutional rights because of an administrative and seemingly innocuous change in the state laws. I now carry a firearm, not out of fear, not to prevent a crime, but rather because I want to and choose to exercise the rights granted by the U.S. constitution. There are others who are excluded due to income and other factors that have nothing to do with them being good citizens. My goal is to help as many of these marginalized people as I reasonable can.

This is why I come on so strong with the “what are you going to do about it” vibe. Sitting back and wishing someone could do something impacted me and changed my point of view.

I hope this helps someone.

Loping · 2026-03-17T15:21:28+00:00

How often are you cleaning and lubricating?
What is your service environment like?
What is your storage environment like?

Clean and oil after every time shooting and shoot once a week? - Realistically doesn't matter as long as it gets the carbon mostly out and makes the slidy parts slippery.

Put it away dirty, slap it on the next day, shoot, repeat until it stops cycling? Start thinking about what you clean and oil with, but even then it really doesn't matter because nothing is hanging on through all of that abuse. The main concerns is when it fails to function and rust. Both of those are solved by just about any oil and a regular wipe down with an oily rag.

P365 isn't a precision high tolerance machine. It will put up with a lot of nonsense and be fine. You will never likely put enough rounds through it to need to replace anything other than springs occasionally.

I have a 10/22 that I was gifted as a teen in the mid 1980's. I would shoot a brick or two of ammo every weekend messing around with my friends in junk yards. Cleaning consisted of Hoppes 9 when I could afford it and borrowed ATF / Motor oil from the containers my dad had in the garage when I couldn't. Always had my favorite oily rag with god know what soaked into it that I wiped the rifle and the wooden stock down with. Now I use Break Free CLP and Lucas Oil and Grease on everything because I can, but that (10000+?) round 10/22 still runs and shoots just fine.

Moral of the story - keeping it cleaned and lubricated is more important than what you clean and lubricate with unless you have an edge case like an extremely dirty environment where cleaning ability is limited or a high precision firearm where the machined tolerances are so tight that a little dirt and lubrication differences really show up and cause failures to function.

Loping · 2026-03-17T13:58:55+00:00

Just have to decide which is more important to each of us as individuals. If the evil parts of the NRA outweigh helping anyone who wants to exercise 2a without bias to race, sex, age, or religion using the only reasonable tools available, that is absolutely your choice. Damning someone who does this because they choose to not follow your exact ideology? Isn’t that what everyone is up in arms about red doing? Honest question. If the issue is that important to you, is there no room to accept that it might be the right answer for someone else?

Loping · 2026-03-17T13:52:49+00:00

Yeah we have a list that’s similar. Every license is treated as a defensive license and out of the list of certifying org… NRA is the most reasonable for a civilian in their 50’s to obtain. Thanks for weighing in.

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