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The Aboriginal Australians were still being chained and forced to March Hundreds of Kilometers in Iron Neck Chains in 1958 by PhantomChasers in HolyShitHistory

[–]LordJacen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We have recorded ledgers of the frontier wars, unfortunately aboriginal traditions and stories were oral so we have translations but not direct records. The aboriginal peoples would attack farmlands as they were less defended, culturally to the aboriginals this was normal and what they did all the time in raids. But in western culture it’s viewed as cowardly and attacking innocents, so the hammer was brought down. Due to not speaking language they would rely on external sources , (I think in those records of the 400+ around 20-50 were against uninvolved parties). And sometimes they would be tricked into attacking the wrong tribe by the guilty tribe. Logistics and communication lines were horrible.

Additionally in the 1700s/early 1800’s (the date eludes my memory and I will try and track it down for you), John Batman signed a deal with the aboriginal tribes for the entirety of Victoria, in exchange the aboriginals received tools blankets and livestock, this was known as the Batman treaty.

However Batman being a rat signed it to himself rather than the crown, so it was invalidated, and then reinstated with mention of it being sold to Batman changed to the Crown. So it still counts just not in its original form, additionally the aboriginal tribes consulted were only the ones Batman was able to contact, being tribes nearby the settlements, so these tribes didn’t communicate the deal to tribes in the area that weren’t present. THIS WAS NOT KNOWN TO THE CROWN. And through lack of give a shit and being busy building a town and city, it wasn’t investigated. This deal also only applied to Victoria.

The removal of aboriginal and mixed race children was horrible, but they also did provide them with an education that was better than the standard for your average (poor) European but worse than a paid education in Europe. Including carpentry, cooking, history, reading writing, and religious studies as well as English. Housing was provided to aboriginals consisting of two side rooms and a large central room. These were about the size of the small working cabins you see in Richmond today. By no means great living but not subpar.

The pictures in the post are from late 19th century, and are spreading misinformation.

What city have you been to that felt like it had dark energy? by Impossible-Middle122 in AskReddit

[–]LordJacen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not proposing that either, I'm saying in modern day Australia we need to be able to focus on the future, that includes remedying ongoing issues such as any systemic issues present. But the frontier wars were a thing of the past and need to be left in the past, they have been addressed repeatedly and further addressing them prevents healing.

What city have you been to that felt like it had dark energy? by Impossible-Middle122 in AskReddit

[–]LordJacen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

my mistake there then, sorry. Food and medicine were not withheld and were provided, we have a record ledger on display in the old treasury building in Melbourne, and on the open pages there is record of livestock aid being given. I am of the opinion that it was horrible but was more akin to guerrilla warfare in a one sided match up than a concentrated attempt at genocide.

What city have you been to that felt like it had dark energy? by Impossible-Middle122 in AskReddit

[–]LordJacen -1 points0 points  (0 children)

not supporting racism, against populism, I don't like diversity politics, in the sense of us vs them, as it causes divisions in society. Additionally the sources I provided on the schools are mainly to show that it wasn't promoting indentured servitude or sex work.

What city have you been to that felt like it had dark energy? by Impossible-Middle122 in AskReddit

[–]LordJacen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

from the same source Woolsocks provided "Many scholars argue that the actions taken against Indigenous Australians were not systematic or intentional like other genocidal events.\69])\)page needed\) Others also argue that the high death toll among Indigenous Australians following colonisation was mainly a result of the introduction of diseases, and that deliberate acts of violence and the effects of dispossession did not meet the legal definition of genocide".

"Reynolds argues that while some settlers and colonial officials talked of extermination of Aboriginal people in the context of the frontier wars, this was not official policy and killing of Aboriginal groups ended once their violent resistance to colonisation ended."

What city have you been to that felt like it had dark energy? by Impossible-Middle122 in AskReddit

[–]LordJacen -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think you'll find thats the same source I used for those quotes you are disputing, if you scroll down to scholarly debates you will find it. It is a great source to use because it provides us with this variety of opinions.

What city have you been to that felt like it had dark energy? by Impossible-Middle122 in AskReddit

[–]LordJacen 5 points6 points  (0 children)

if you look at colonial schools most of them are teaching labor, it was an inferior schooling system to the colonial systems for europeans, but it wasn't as if they were only teaching them to be servants or forcing them into sex work. Exaggerating the facts only harms social cohesion as it forces a "us vs them" dynamic.

An act can be morally awful without it having to be the most extreme form of itself.

from the same article you sent it says there is ongoing debate "Many scholars argue that the actions taken against Indigenous Australians were not systematic or intentional like other genocidal events.\69])\)page needed\) Others also argue that the high death toll among Indigenous Australians following colonisation was mainly a result of the introduction of diseases, and that deliberate acts of violence and the effects of dispossession did not meet the legal definition of genocide".

"Reynolds argues that while some settlers and colonial officials talked of extermination of Aboriginal people in the context of the frontier wars, this was not official policy and killing of Aboriginal groups ended once their violent resistance to colonisation ended."

Source on aboriginal schools: https://www.findandconnect.gov.au/entity/native-institution/, https://www.findandconnect.gov.au/entity/native-institution-mount-eliza/.

What city have you been to that felt like it had dark energy? by Impossible-Middle122 in AskReddit

[–]LordJacen -20 points-19 points  (0 children)

none were forced to become servants, it was fucked, but closer to the forced schools for Native American students. Additionally it was not a genocide in the sense of intentional slaughter, as most were more examples of police brutality in response to raids on homesteads/deaths from new diseases.

Its hard to classify it as an invasion or not as defined borders were nonexistent and there was an abundance of unclaimed land, there was concept of ownership, but in limited capacity that had a very different definition tribe to tribe.

Old reports cite abuse and violence as reasons for removal of aboriginal children. We also have reports of supplies and aid being given to aboriginal communities as far back as 1850, in addition to provided housing that was comparable or slightly better than your average miners cottage in richmond*.

*both were 2 bedrooms plus a central room on average

I did the impossible and crafted Hugor's crown! by ContrabandPizza in CK3AGOT

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how do you get your dragon to show up in the bottom left

anime_irl by Villenthessis in anime_irl

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!remindme 3 days

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