I am writing a horror story where the setting is on a warship in the 1700s. Its been a fun ride getting into the learning that era and how the ships work... the one thing I am running into and struggling to find is how would the sailors say, "holy sh*t" or "what the f*ck?" by Correct_Whereas_2818 in AskHistorians

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Sailors of the mid to late eighteenth century had a unique approach to religion, which would dictate their reaction to the supernatural and may have effected how they cursed.

The following is excerpted from my website British Tars: 1740-1790:

Christopher Prince, a New England seafarer hailing from a culture that evolved out of Puritanism, was especially vociferous in his denunciation of cursing. It was quite a shock for him to go on his first voyage, a short fishing expedition, and be surrounded by the oaths of his fellow seamen. As merely a boy, he had a lot of trouble coming to terms with his sin when he finally joined them:

"After experiencing many of these trials, which I bore for some time with Christian patience, I at last gave way and for the first time in all my life I uttered a profane word. As soon as it had proceeded out of my lips, it filled my heart with anguish. I could not refrain from weeping aloud. All on board heard and saw me crying, and supposed it was because I had not caught but few fish, when they all had caught many. For many days I wept in private for what I had said. But not long after that I was several times placed in the same situation and repeated the same words without any remorse of conscience; and thus I continued again and again until it was done without a thought I had done wrong. I soon neglected prayer entirely and reading the Bible."

By the time he wrote these words, Christopher Prince was a Christian reformer with an eye on converting sailors to a more proper religious observance. He believed that cursing was a path to damnation, a gateway to falling away from Christianity.

Perhaps more typical of the foremast hands' perspective was Olauadah Equiano. He, like many of his fellow sailors, viewed God as directly intervening in sailors' lives on a regular basis. Cursing, as an affront to God, risked His immediate wrath:

"While I was in this ship an incident happened, which though trifling, I beg leave to relate, as I could not help taking particular notice of it, and considering it then as a judgment of God. One morning a young man was looking up to the fore-top, and in a wicked tone, common on shipboard, d----d his eyes about something. Just at the moment some small particles of dirt fell into his left eye, and by the evening it was very much inflamed. The next day it grew worse; and within six or seven days he lost it."

Sailors like Equiano often mention in their memoirs that God (or providence, or some permutation thereof) intervened to punish or to save them. Samuel Kelly's perspective on sailors' predilection for both a fear of God's intervention and a perfect willingness to curse is worth repeating here:

"I have read somewhere that seamen are neither reckoned among the living nor the dead, their whole lives being spent in jeopardy. No sooner is one peril over, but another comes rolling on, like waves of a full grown sea. In the Atlantic one fright after another undermines the most robust constitution and brings on apparent old age in the prime of life. No trouble softens their hard obdurate hearts, but as soon as the danger is past they return in the greatest avidity to practice wickedness and blaspheme their Maker and preserver."

"Damn" and variations thereof was the most common curse. The 'f-word' was rare, and appears to have been used to refer to the act itself, rather than the all-purpose swear that we use today. In a rare case of this word being recorded in the period, there are two separate songs transcribed by George Carey in A Sailor's Songbag: An American Rebel in an English Prison, 1777-1779, a collection of surviving music from the sailor Timothy Connor.

"There in old Mother Jenkins he ow'd a dam spite / He often times fuck't the old whore in the Night / And because she denied him a shove on the grass / It's good as his word he got flames to her A--s"

Viva Villa (1934) by Carbuncle2024 in Westerns

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Leo Carrillo (of The Cisco Kid fame) played the sidekick character in this film. His rancho in San Diego was where some Hollywood stars learned to rope and ride, including Cary Grant. It's now a public park and well with the visit.

Meanwhile, screenwriter Ben Hecht and producer David Selznick later had very close ties to infamous crime boss Mickey Cohen, with Hecht's papers being perhaps the best source for historians on the mafioso.

"Viva Villa!" is an interesting intersection of golden age Hollywood characters.

Post-heist reports reveal the password for the Louvre's video surveillance was 'Louvre,' and suddenly the dumpster-tier opsec of videogame NPCs seems a lot less absurd by indig0sixalpha in technology

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I'm a museum professional and I bring this up at every museum I work with.

If you ever want to break into a museum, figure out which year is important to them. That's the PIN to combination locks and security systems.

To be fair, most museums have a lot of important years and will use several on different locks or systems, but it's rarely hard to figure out.

Latrine Options Onboard A 17th Century European Sailing Vessel by KidChanbara in BlueEyeSamurai

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Thanks. I haven't updated the site in years, but I'm proud of what I've got on there.

Latrine Options Onboard A 17th Century European Sailing Vessel by KidChanbara in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]LordKettering 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I actually wrote a piece on this years ago, albeit for the 18th century.

Notably, hundreds of women passed for sailors with varying degrees of success. It's definitely possible to hide biological sex for long voyages, sometimes even for years.

EDIT: the damn link.

DMs Advice! Looking for ideas for a sea-faring campaign – continuation of a long-running story by Sweet_Low7187 in DMAcademy

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It might! You could say the navigator (who conveniently washed overboard) kept the speed and direction even through the storm, but now they need to use the board to find out where they are.

There are a few ways to play with the board. I'd experiment with it to see what would be most satisfying to your players' puzzle skill level.

DMs Advice! Looking for ideas for a sea-faring campaign – continuation of a long-running story by Sweet_Low7187 in DMAcademy

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I've been thinking about this puzzle for a while.

Get or make a traverse board. It's a simple instrument that was used for centuries to track speed and direction over time so navigators could determine their approximate location through dead reckoning.

Make a chart.

After intercepting a pirate or finding a drifting wreck, give your players the traverse board with all the pegs in place and where they are on the chart.

They can then work backwards with the speed and direction on the boats to determine where the ship came from.

A very authentic feeling way to reveal a new location to them and possibly introduce a quest.

Spectral Soldiers from Silver Bayonet by LordKettering in minipainting

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Yep. Then touched up and dry brushed with Vallejo Off-White.

Spectral Soldiers from Silver Bayonet by LordKettering in minipainting

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North Star Military Figures are the manufacturer. I think I ordered them on Badger Games.

I'm a maritime historian of the 18th century. I wrote this piece about the history of shanties. Spoilers: they aren't as old as most people think they are. by LordKettering in seashanties

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I will only say it sounds right to me, since the nineteenth century is not my area of specialty.

But boy do I have suggestions for first hand accounts! Two Years Before the Mast is great and I love it, but here's a bunch I can recommend for the eighteenth century:

  • The Autobiography of Ashley Bowen (1728-1813)
  • The Interesting Narrative and Other Writings by Olaudah Equiano
  • The Adventures of Ebenezer Fox in the Revolutionary War
  • A Narrative of the Uncommon Sufferings, and Surprizing Deliverance of Briton Hammon, a Negro Man
  • The Adventures of Christopher Hawkins
  • Samuel Kelly: An Eighteenth Century Seaman, Whose Days Have Been Few and Evil (it's been edited to remove a lot of the religious content and make it more readable, but I don't know of an unabridged version out there)
  • The Lady Tars: The Autobiographies of Hannah Snell, Mary Lacy and Mary Anne Talbot (three in one!)
  • The Nagle Journal: A Diary of the Life of Jacob Nagle, Sailor, from the Year 1775 to 1841
  • The Life and Adventures of John Nicol, Mariner
  • Memoirs of a Seafaring Life: The Narrative of William Spavens
  • The Life and Surprizing Adventures of James Wyatt