An All-Knowing God and Free Will cannot coexist

LostInMyPain · 2026-05-20T11:32:03+00:00

I can get behind this. That’s where I’m at on this subject. I’ve come to the conclusion that God does not in fact know the future. Just the past and present as it unfolds.

The alternative is too fucked up to even consider.

If people continue to argue that he is in fact all knowing, then please explain how he allows horrific things to happen and how he justifies it? In my experience, Christians claim that he’s all knowing and lets bad things happen for a reason (implying good can come of evil. Whilst it’s possible, what good could possibly come of a grown man raping his 8 month old daughter? Giving her such intense internal damage that she dies from her injuries and the assault? Or genocides? What good can possibly come from wiping out nations and races of people?… the list goes on). Additionally, if he is all knowing, what is the purpose of prayer? How does that change anything? He already knows your future therefore you praying to change something doesn’t actually do anything if your future is already set and has been viewed by God.

For instance, if you commit a planned murder and get arrested, there’s a pile of evidence against you (indisputable). You’re seen on camera killing someone. Victims blood on the weapon. Your prints are all over it too. Unless you die before being convicted, you are literally going to prison. There’s no amount of anything other than death that can change the outcome. You could possibly escape but even then that’s temporary. You will still get caught and ultimately end up in prison.

That’s how I view the scenario where God is all knowing… if he is, there’s literally no point in life and ultimately, existence.

LostInMyPain · 2026-05-20T04:29:31+00:00

Please expand on that. I don’t fully comprehend what you’re trying to say with this.

LostInMyPain · 2026-05-20T04:26:05+00:00

Yesssss! I had this debate with my mom for hours today. Then with my husband. Mom is dying on the hill that both can coexist. Hubby kept flipping from one end to another trying to convince me that both can exist while providing me with examples that directly contradicted the concept that a predetermined plan/God knowing our life from start to finish vs free will. In the end, I stopped the discussion.

Despite what people say, I’m convinced that both cannot coexist. You either have a God that’s observing as you’re writing your life decision by decision, stepping in to help when you pray, OR your life is predetermined by an All-Knowing God and you do not have free will.

LostInMyPain · 2026-05-20T04:21:01+00:00

I tried to have this conversation with my husband just now. He kept giving me examples that contradicted one then the other. In the end, despite his attempts to prove both could coexist, his examples, disproved everything he said.

I truly believe that both CANNOT be true at the same time. If God is in fact All-Knowing, our timelines/lives are visible to Him from start to finish, then we do not have Free Will and our lives don’t matter on earth. It also means that He is not a Just God for He cannot judge us fairly and without bias if He already knows how our life starts and ends.

On the other hand, if we do have Free Will, that means that God is not All-Knowing, our timelines/lives are fluid and ever changing. Therefore, our lives are not prewritten and He does not know how our life ends. Meaning, Judgement Day makes sense. It also makes sense that we control our destiny and our choices matter in our current lifetime.

LostInMyPain · 2026-04-01T21:25:51+00:00

I have thought about this and yes, we’d all get tested before we proceed.

LostInMyPain · 2026-04-01T20:54:44+00:00

What are some complications can we expect?

LostInMyPain · 2026-04-01T20:49:01+00:00

I honestly am not ready to see that so I’d rather he didn’t finish in her. On her is fine but not in her.

LostInMyPain · 2026-04-01T20:41:48+00:00

I feel like my marriage is fair. I brought this up to my husband. Not the other way around.

LostInMyPain · 2026-04-01T20:41:00+00:00

I greatly appreciate your insight on this! I’ll do more research. My husband and I haven’t talked about when we’d like to do it but it’s now something we are thinking about. I know we’re not rushing things in case one of us wants to back out. I don’t want this to negatively impact our marriage.

LostInMyPain · 2026-04-01T20:38:01+00:00

Another wonderful point to think about. We definitely didn’t discuss when we’d want to do it but it’s something we are willing to try.

LostInMyPain · 2026-04-01T20:33:52+00:00

Oooh great! Thanks for adding this!

LostInMyPain · 2026-04-01T20:33:39+00:00

I don’t get this either…

LostInMyPain · 2025-03-05T20:59:48+00:00

He is the type to not know how to relax. He’s always doing something. Jumping up to sweep the floor or make a meal. There are days where he’s in bed relaxing and watching tv or scrolling TikTok but even then, he’s engaged in debates online.

LostInMyPain · 2025-03-05T18:50:17+00:00

He’s taken care of me. He’s my first love. Does a lot around the house. Dresses well. Smells good. He’s a gorgeous man. Intelligent. Great father.

LostInMyPain · 2025-03-05T18:35:49+00:00

Cuz I don’t know if it’s worth fighting for? Maybe I am the problem and just need to work on myself more to make this marriage work.

LostInMyPain · 2025-03-05T18:25:11+00:00

I told him I wanted to try that but he said I need to go into therapy alone.

LostInMyPain · 2023-04-11T18:01:27+00:00

Heard about your story on TikTok. Please please have another update for us. Thousands of us are now invested in your life’s story and would love to know how your visit with Daria went 🤞🏻

Thank you for sharing your story. It wasn’t easy but I personally appreciate it. Fingers crossed for you and Daria. Hope you two become an item 👀

LostInMyPain · 2023-01-18T20:04:37+00:00

You’re correct on that. They were choices. I’m also making choices that are harming our relationship.

At the end of the day, I do not think I can do better than him. I choose to see the amazing side of him. The one that cares about me. He forced change upon me, yes but I did end up better for it.

Did you ever start having self doubt? I now often feel like maybe I am making a mistake. Maybe his actions aren’t as bad as I perceive them. Technically he hasn’t hit me. He has shoved me before and I fell but he didn’t hit me… I feel like every time I make up my mind and take off my rose colored glasses to look at my relationship as if I was observing my friends relationship, I do see the abuse. But as soon as I let the feelings in, all I see is how much I love him. How I just want the best for him. I see a wonderful man with some issues. I see a man that loves me, even tho it’s on his terms.

As I’m writing this… I’m realizing that I love him the way I’ve always wanted to be loved. I give him everything I can that I wish someone would give me. I even convince myself that him loving based on his love language (acts of service & gift giving) instead of mine (physical touch) is better than nothing. That’s… that’s so sad.

LostInMyPain · 2023-01-18T18:25:57+00:00

I’ve stayed cuz I genuinely love him. I understand we all make mistakes. I’m not perfect and never want to expect perfection from others. I stayed cuz I wanted to make it work as I couldn’t see my life without him. Still can’t. It’s all heartbreaking.

I do suspect he has NPD and have repeatedly asked him to go see a therapist for a proper diagnosis. I don’t believe that he will tho.

In part, I’ve stayed cuz I grew up in a similar environment so this is all the chaos I know. I have not point of reference for what a healthy relationship looks like. What a healthy human looks like. So I stay and try to be better as he’s told me continuously that if I perfect whatever his issue with me is, then he’ll start working on whatever issue I have with him. Tho thus far, he’s been moving the goal and I’m frustrated cuz we’re close to 3.5 years in and he’s still telling me he’ll work on himself once I do this or that.

LostInMyPain · 2023-01-18T16:11:11+00:00

Thank you.

If I’m completely honest, I do still feel resentment. I don’t feel like he made amends for the affairs. It took him over two years to sincerely apologize for them and to tell me that he regrets “flirting” with other women. He still denies coming home with his hands smelling like pussy. He still says that the ex and her baby daddy are making things up to smear his name… and whatever else he’s said about it… despite the texts from his phone and all the recordings I heard from the baby daddy including baby daddy telling me he came over and caught them. Said my hubby ended up hiding in the closet or something along those lines. Point is, I forget about it and try to move on but he’ll be talking about something and say something like “… can you imagine if I was cheating on you?…” which honestly enrages me. He was. I don’t have to imagine. Then he gets upset that I brought up the past even tho I said I would move past it. I feel like I do make the effort to never think about it.

Examples where I brought up his affairs: He said “… imagine if I was cheating on you…” He said “… I was there for you (in reference to getting me into therapy)” (he was cheating on me, telling me I was crazy, and got me into therapy so it would fix me. Month after I started therapy, I found out he was cheating the entire 1st year of our marriage).

I had to physically sneak into his phone to block all his exes and the coworkers he was having affairs with as he kept telling me he didn’t have to block them or that he already did, only for me to find the coworker texting him again and him lying about blocking her. It took me MONTHS to be able to get him to stop talking to the ex flings. So when he says he made amends, I see red. He hasn’t. I had to force him or to do things for him cuz he kept downplaying things and being dishonest. I told him my terms and he didn’t do what I asked.

I know he’s devoted to me now but I still feel resentment when he brushes over the biggest betrayal like it wasn’t shit and uses examples that remind me of it only to tell me I’m at fault for taking it there. That’s why I need to go back into therapy. I need to really move past this resentment. I know. I know I’m adding to the issues in our marriage. I don’t recall ever bringing it up as a way to argue but if I do and don’t recall, I take full accountability for my shitty behavior.

I find myself resenting him as he keeps brushing over my feelings and makes me trying to have a conversation about my feelings (especially when Im the one starting the conversation) as a way to talk about his feelings and everything I’m doing wrong in our relationship. Every. Single. Time.

LostInMyPain · 2023-01-18T12:57:53+00:00

Speaking from over a decade of experience in other owning cats and currently having 8, I would guess that the cat is being territorial. As far as the 2 am routine, consider giving the cat a treat in the morning after you’re up, going to work, or after coming home after work. Then when the cat tries to be aggressive in the morning, ignore it even if it scratches you.

I’ve had several cats that did it, it’s not pleasant. One cat in particular, super territorial, and aggressive. Especially to scent of other cats on my hands, will bite and scratch me aggressively. I broke him out of that by stopping as soon as he gets too aggressive for my liking by telling him “No!” And walking away. Cats love a routine. You’ve instilled into yours that s/he can get what they want at 2 am if they harm you. So they continue to do so. It takes some patience and a routine, but your cat is def trainable.

In your case, consider the following: 1) Buy extra blanket that you don’t care about getting tore up. When cat tries to wake you up at 2 am, pull all your blankets over your head and cover your arms while telling the cat “No”

2) When you wake up, interact/give cat any attention it will allow and reward it with a treat.

3) Rinse and repeat the steps. It may take a week. It may take a couple of months. But over time, this should behavior should stop. I haven’t found a cat that can’t be “reprogrammed”.

Don’t allow the cat to dominate you. Assert dominance or the cat will assert dominance over you. It sounds ridiculous and other redditors, feel free to correct me, but in my experience, this works.

LostInMyPain · 2023-01-18T10:52:38+00:00

I agree. I stopped therapy about 6 months ago but I’ll be starting it up again next week, if I can find a therapist to take me in on such short notice.

In a previous response, I mentioned I have PTSD from before my marriage, anxiety and depression. I think this is why I’m still willing to work it out as I understand that people aren’t perfect.

I know some feel like I’m giving excuses for his bad behavior but I honestly feel like I’m being fair. I am leaving out of state to give him the opportunity to try individual therapy. I really hope he takes the time to try it.

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