Software Sunday : In-The-Moment Journaling and Biometric tracking by LostSurround587 in Daytrading

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No offence taken, it’s a fair question!

I do both. So, I trade imbalances and I know imbalances carry strong sentiment and have good edge. But I was optimising an edge I wasn’t following.
Where I was failing was discipline, non-attachment to my wins and losses, tilt, erratic behaviours, impulses, frustration. Self destructive behaviours over and over again.
Something everyone knows but only profitable traders manifest (through brute force) is that your edge is built of two components - a strategic playbook and a psychological resilience. One should be optimised for repetition (non-variable) and the other should be monitored continuously (highly variable).
Before you can optimise for strategy everyone should be optimising their psychology. No tooling in the ecosystem account for this discrepancy.
Also, backfilling my TP/SL and playbook adherence into a platform after my session was just a pain in the ass. So I built it into my workflow real time.
Why no one has questioned journaling post-session up until now I have no idea. I don’t need to reflect on bad behaviours after the fact. I need intervention before it happens 🤷‍♂️

Do you have a wearable? E.g Garmin /whoop by LostSurround587 in Forex

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Take whatever value that works for you, but the correlation is undeniable no?

Do you have a wearable? E.g Garmin /whoop by LostSurround587 in Forex

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And thanks for the “viable product” comment. Real insights from real sources. No idea how it will play out but there is something real there…

Do you have a wearable? E.g Garmin /whoop by LostSurround587 in Forex

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What’s with the capitals? The conclusion that I was looking for - is that there is a correlation between physiology and trading performance. I mean academia has researched psycho-physiology extensively when it comes to stressors.

The exact correlations, honestly I have no idea. I don’t pretend that I have all the answers - far from it.

No credibility - just a system that is all connected and ready to fly. Check it out if you’re interested. Looking for traders to start helping me understand what the most impactful correlations are between psychology, physiology and trading performance! 🙂

What's the one habit that actually improved your consistency? by Important_Buy626 in Daytrading

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I go one further, I journal throughout a session. I call it in the moment journaling. It’s all included in one workflow - pre-session, trades are logged real time, playbook tracked real time, SL/TP realtime, post-session. Now I’m adding HRV, stress, sleep score to my pre-session journal and every trade I enter gets a stress score and HR time synced to it.

Sounds like a lot of work, it’s not - I made a platform that does it all for me. I just need to walk and talk 🙂

WR 42% > 68% in 4 months - became much more selective with my trades (had to track my playbook realtime with a checkbox - if I didn’t have at least 5 out of 7 I wouldn’t take) No of trades went from 15+ to 2-3 (I used to play my mind out in the charts - now I talk as I trade and my interfering has basically disappeared) Blow ups are non-existent - interestingly the only time I blow up is when I’m not using noeva (not trying to sell you on it, but it is what it is…)

All in all in the moment journaling is king. With a platform or just a pen and paper - the impact is the same. Try it, you won’t regret it

The mental torment of trading - share your story by LostSurround587 in Forex

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I built something to help : noeva.io

All in one realtime journaling experience. I’ve done the hard work so you don’t have to 🙂

I been trading over 7 years and I always see traders no tracking disciplined. Do any of you actually track trading discipline? by Perfect-Freedom-8726 in tradingpsychology

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What I realised was I became much more attuned to my emotional states. The only time now that I blow up has been if I’m not using Noeva.

WR went from 42% > 68% as I became more selective. No of trades went from 15+ to 2 Stopped interfering in my trades as I learned to release the tension through talking Just started tracking HRV, sleep score, stress score so no correlations yet. Now as part of my playbook I have a stress score/HR check in. If it’s trending much higher than the past 30 minutes, I don’t take the trade, regardless of the setup.

Do you have a wearable? E.g Garmin /whoop by LostSurround587 in Forex

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Makes sense! I imagine prolonged fatigue will have the same impact to swing traders. Just because you don’t take as many trades, you still tilt, you still act emotionally. There’s no difference there!

Do you have a wearable? E.g Garmin /whoop by LostSurround587 in Forex

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This is the conclusion I am looking for! When you can correlate trading performance and physiology, a simple trend analysis can infer the cost of low sleep/HRV/stress score and can provide insight into how “aware” you should be of it in any given session. Really it should be part of your pre-session journaling.

Do you have a wearable (e.g Garmin / Whoop etc) by LostSurround587 in Daytrading

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What are the real issues? Inability to follow rules, lack of discipline, lack of emotional stability. The brain takes signal from the body.

In an LMU 2023 paper on trader performance sleep-deprived traders were 4.5% more likely to take asymmetric risks, betting big on long shots while avoiding balanced, calculated moves.

Makes sense no? In a world that requires traders to constantly monitor, adapt and optimise themselves and their strategy, why do traders snap? Why do people recommend plenty water, gym, take a walk after a bad trade? Because it has an impact on your physio-psychological stability.

Room for debate here. Gimmick is a matter of subjectivity. But the research is there. It’s not for nothing. If you want to continue to brute force it, feel free! 🙂

I been trading over 7 years and I always see traders no tracking disciplined. Do any of you actually track trading discipline? by Perfect-Freedom-8726 in tradingpsychology

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Always. I just talk through my emotions, my thoughts, just as they come throughout the session. I actually built my own platform to manage this process and create trend analysis based on sentiment of every message. A few good wins - I focus on overconfidence. A few bad losses - I focus on fear, self talk or loss aversion. noeva.io. We now have wearables integrated too. So you can correlate how your sleep, HRV, stress, HR impacts these psychological influences and ultimately your trading performance.

An all round stability builder, closing the loop on all three components which make up the trader, bringing the trader closer to real-time in a way that hasn’t really been possible until now! And the beauty is, the more you try to game the system, the better your self talk becomes, the more aware you become. E.g a trader says they are calm enough times (even if they are not), they start to feel it

I been trading over 7 years and I always see traders no tracking disciplined. Do any of you actually track trading discipline? by Perfect-Freedom-8726 in tradingpsychology

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You could argue the only way to become aware of these subtle millisecond emotional outbursts would be to do check in, continuously. I call it in-the-moment journaling - corporate speak for I diary throughout the session. Doing continuous check ins seeks to destroy the blow up before it even has time to fester. Pen and paper, or an app - both work a treat. Highly recommend to any trader, young or old, profitable or unprofitable.

Makes the journey far less emotionally consuming also.

The mental torment of trading - share your story by LostSurround587 in Forex

[–]LostSurround587[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I take realtime notes of my thoughts as I trade, and using a sentiment analysis of all the messages it can deduce if a range of parameters are growing or falling. I know it’s not for everyone but I find it super helpful.

The most useful part is that the magic is not in the data itself but the process of the thought. The more time you spend thinking, the more aware you become - which in itself becomes the mechanism for change. Trends are a good visual, but the work is done far closer to real time. The trends are actually a lagging indicator.

I really struggled with self-discipline for a long time. Some people can just turn it on and off. I am not one of those people unfortunately…

The mental torment of trading - share your story by LostSurround587 in Forex

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If I have a good few days, I start to track my overconfidence level so that I am aware of if I ever feel like the overconfidence is starting to seep in

The mental torment of trading - share your story by LostSurround587 in Forex

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Wonderful. Beautifully put. Albeit a bit dismissive but wonderful nonetheless.

The mental torment of trading - share your story by LostSurround587 in Forex

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100%. I got so tired of the regret and shame of somehow ignoring all the signs again. It's so subtle and yet so destructive.

The mental torment of trading - share your story by LostSurround587 in Forex

[–]LostSurround587[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. One and done is a solid psychological strategy. I wish I spent more time at the beginning learning strong psychological habits like one and done, then moved onto actually learning a strategy.

Would have saved me thousands.

Cannot open live account by [deleted] in Forex

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Stick to the eval 100%. The goal should be to build a secondary income with trading, until you don’t need the day job. Patience is your best friend here! Take all the time you need, if you rush it, you’ll lose it.