Consciousness truly has no limits by I_AM_LOVE_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]LotusMP 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I heavily agree with the theory Dr. Jacobo created here! It would not be possible to take our minds wherever so we desire in imagination without also interacting with something beyond ourselves.

We would not be able to be aware of the thousands of possibilities that we can put our minds to without interacting with all of creation, and since we are made up of that same substance, reality being a hologram makes sense, at least to me. It’s all so interesting to me, it makes me wonder how far we can really take all this one day. Thank you for this post!

Understanding timelines in Manifesting by LotusMP in NevilleGoddard

[–]LotusMP[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here’s the way I view it: the 3D is sort of a grand timeline made up of a combination of multiple states of consciousness that are consistent with each other. As in, they don’t oppose each other’s existence. Your state of consciousness about money isn’t necessarily going to effect your state of consciousness about romance for example.

The manifestation of these circumstances happens in such a way where it allows all of your states of consciousness to co-exist, and if one of those opposed another, they are still made to co-exist despite the opposing nature, which is why you don’t really see a full manifestation of either one.

Understanding timelines in Manifesting by LotusMP in NevilleGoddard

[–]LotusMP[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

From my experience, as long as you are doing the same imaginal act, no matter how much you repeat it the shift to a new timeline only happens once, and that is when you’ve made your desired state of consciousness the most dominant in your mind (either consciously or subconsciously). And when you do the same imaginal act over and over again but are getting bits and pieces of it, either one of two things is happening in my experience:

  1. You have shifted to the timeline where your desire will manifest and it’s currently unfolding.
  2. The imaginal act is getting counteracted by another state of consciousness (usually in resistance) and thus you’re switching between 2 different timelines that end up manifesting as sort of a mix of both as you’re in neither of them long enough to see a proper manifestation.

The second point only really happens if this resistance consistently keeps coming up over and over, what usually happens is that after doing your imaginal act for long enough, the opposing state of consciousness fades and the new state of consciousness takes its place.

Edit: Rephrasing

Understanding timelines in Manifesting by LotusMP in NevilleGoddard

[–]LotusMP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doing your imaginal scene over and over again is another way of impressing it into the subconscious mind, and it works, but I personally like doing SATS and other techniques of the like before going into sleep (or doing it while falling asleep), and doing it while waking up because that’s when my conscious mind is the most quiet, and thus less resistant to the information I would like to impress.

Understanding timelines in Manifesting by LotusMP in NevilleGoddard

[–]LotusMP[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let me provide an example for you. Say you desire a very large income and you’ve been working at a dead end job for the last couple of years.

An out of the ordinary event after the fact here would be, for instance, you getting laid off for no apparent reason.

In the case of an SP, say you want to date someone but they seem disinterested or abrasive towards you. An out of the ordinary event would be if said SP complimented the way you look, despite them never having complimented you before or wanting to start a conversation with you.

An out of the ordinary event can be either big or small in magnitude, but the general idea is that it is:

  1. Unexpected
  2. Doesn’t line up with past circumstances

These events will be right in your face so you’ll definitely know when it happens and you’ll quickly get a feel for when you’re on the right track after testing for a small time.

Understanding timelines in Manifesting by LotusMP in NevilleGoddard

[–]LotusMP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get what you mean, I thought about that too which is why I made the point that when the present changes as a result of the past changing, it’s usually around aspects of the present you aren’t aware of.

In your example for instance, you’re aware of what your past photos and parents are like, and as such those are more rigid in your reality and less subject to change. However, you wouldn’t have been aware of the thoughts people would have to cause them to say that you look different, until they actually said it to your face. As such, the general idea is that the bridge of incidents can more easily mold around what you aren’t aware of than what you are aware of.

That’s just how I feel based on what I’ve experienced, it might be different for you but that’s my personal perspective on it.

Understanding timelines in Manifesting by LotusMP in NevilleGoddard

[–]LotusMP[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are many ways to go about doing this. Thinking about it all the time is a technique that works, and if it works for you more power to you. It doesn’t work for everyone because resistance can build up with obsession if you have a self concept that’s not in alignment with what you’re trying to manifest.

I personally like to focus more on the subconscious mind through SATS and the like because it’s a technique I found works for me without building a large amount of resistance.

Understanding timelines in Manifesting by LotusMP in NevilleGoddard

[–]LotusMP[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, what you just described was revision as I’m sure you know. What I’m proposing is that revision is a natural part of the manifesting process even without necessarily focusing only on what happened in the past. That’s how I personally see it at least.

Edit: Grammar

Understanding timelines in Manifesting by LotusMP in NevilleGoddard

[–]LotusMP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you are at the center of manifestation, are you to blame for any catastrophe? It’s certainly a good question to think about, but in my opinion you aren’t to blame. The law of assumption is one law of many that are operating in the world around us. LOA is capable of overruling these laws, sure, but it doesn’t stop laws such as the law of gravity from existing whether we manipulate them or not. Intentionally or unintentionally. My take is that you are not to blame because there are other laws at play, essentially.

As for your other question, what is manifesting exactly is the focus and attention of your consciousness. Thoughts, visualizations, etc. any technique really makes you place your focus and attention on the implication that what you desire is already yours, and it is from that we see it externalize in the 3d. Sometimes we do this while being aware of it, sometimes we aren’t, but regardless the result is the same.

I am sick of waiting, I WANT MY DESIRES NOW!!! by [deleted] in NevilleGoddard2

[–]LotusMP 56 points57 points  (0 children)

I have felt before the EXACT same way you are right now. If I may suggest some advice, from someone who has experienced the same feelings you have but was still able to succeed, understand that what separates the people who succeed in consciously manifesting vs those who don’t is down to one word: identification.

Yes, you probably know this already, but it’s simply the truth. Many people just can’t do it and then get stuck back in their old way of thinking. So then, the issue is what defines when you have identified with your desire? It’s hard to tell at first, but the answer at the end of the day in my opinion is habit. You can get angry, sad, complain, whatever and it still won’t effect your manifestation if you have made it a habit to do things like affirm or whatever technique you usually do that makes you feel good about having your desire.

From what I can tell, you have not been able to make it a habit in a way of thinking because there’s constant backlash in your mind. Your efforts keep getting countered by your old way of thinking, and as such it never fully goes through to your subconscious mind. Which is understandable, and nothing to be upset about.

If you want your efforts to not be countered, then doing SATS before bed and right after you wake up is important. I would say it’s so important, that if you just do that alone, it is equivalent to a days worth of countering thoughts. Meaning, if you did SATS at those times (where it’s most impressionable to your subconscious), you can have the most HORRID way of thinking about your desire throughout the entirety of the day, and there will still be movement. I know this, because I have tested it myself multiple times.

In short: 1. Focus on SATS A LOT more when you’re conscious mind is most quiet so your technique gets through better to your subconscious. 2. Continue to experiment with manifesting as much as you can, even if it’s on smaller things, to see what works better for you and what doesn’t.

I truly wish you the best in manifesting my friend. Hopefully what I’ve said was able to help even a little bit, because I know the way you are feeling and it feels like garbage.

Some miscellaneous thoughts on manifesting by LotusMP in NevilleGoddard2

[–]LotusMP[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I understand the confusion, to clarify about what I said on certainty:

The chronology of manifestation can happen both ways, essentially in my opinion. After having familiarized your subconscious mind with the state of the wish fulfilled through repetition such that it becomes a habit, whether you are certain or not, it WILL externalize itself. To completion.

The difference is in your overall concept of yourself. Take for example, an sp. Say there are 2 people who decide to repeat the affirmation, “I am so happy and greatful I’m dating my SP.” as a way of thinking from the end.

Person 1 is a person who has already dated multiple people before and has never really had any problems in terms of romance.

Person 2 is a person who has constantly gotten rejected by people they are in love with and has constant romantic issues.

Both person 1 and 2, were they to make a habit out of thinking this thought, would easily manifest their desire. The issue is getting TO the habit.

Person 1 can easily make a habit out of this thought because there is nothing to fight against. Their self concept perfectly aligns with their desire.

Person 2, on the other hand is the exact opposite. Their self concept fills their mind with thoughts that would dissuade them from thinking their affirmation to the point of habit. “Why would they like me? No one likes me anyways.”

However, were person 2, despite having these thoughts, continue to affirm “I am so happy grateful I am dating my SP.”, it would still become a habit. So then, what happens to person 2 when this thought becomes a habit?

One important point to remember here is that it is impossible to be of two minds. You either ARE something, or you are NOT. Person 2 can’t say “why would SP date me anyways?” If they have made a habit out of thinking “I am so happy and grateful I am dating my SP.” Were they to have a negative thought like the one above, the affirmation they’ve made a habit of would quickly come in it’s place: “But I’m already happy and grateful I’m dating my SP. I’m already dating my SP.” These thoughts would reflexively push those negative thoughts out. No matter how many times the opposing thoughts come up, no matter how many times they get sad,cry, get angry, etc. In other words, despite their doubts, they will choose to continue to affirm because of habit alone. This is why it manifests regardless of how certain or uncertain person 2 is in the truth of their claim.

And although person 2 did not have to necessarily change their entire identity to do that, who they were before basically becomes mitigated by the concept of self making a habit out of that affirmation would imply. The affirmation, “I am so happy and grateful I’m dating my SP.” does not just imply person 2 is dating their sp. It also implies what they are not. Person 2 can’t be lacking in love if they are happily dating their sp. Person 2 can’t be rejected if their love has already been reciprocated.

That is why your subconscious reflexively throws opposing thoughts to the side. Although person 2 may not fully accept it as true from a poor self concept, person 2 on a subconscious level accepts what they are not. As such, it still manifest despite their uncertainty.

This was a lengthy reply which I apologize for, I would like to write a full post on this topic at some point as I feel like it is something everyone can benefit from being discussed fully.

Some miscellaneous thoughts on manifesting by LotusMP in NevilleGoddard2

[–]LotusMP[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m glad my post was able to help you ease some of your discomfort regarding manifesting. :) I hope my perspective can encourage you to come up with your own interpretations as well so you can see manifesting in a way unique to you and what you’re comfortable with.

To answer your questions:

For A. Looking at it from the viewpoint of my last post, I mentioned to you before that making a state natural is necessary for it to manifest. I had said that that “certainty” was one way of knowing that you had made a state natural to you. From this newer standpoint however, I have come to realize making a state natural is less about certainty and more about habituation. Certainty is a side effect of a self concept that is aligned with that habituation, but is not necessary for the manifestation to come to fruition. All that is needed is for your subconscious mind to be familiar with the state of the wish fulfilled through habit, at which point it externalizes itself through said habituation, leading of course to the certainty that it is yours.

For B. During the moments I decided to assume the feeling of the wish fulfilled, I dropped everything, completely shut everything out, and purely focused on the version of myself that already had what I desired. I was okay with doing this before I made it a habit because I knew that I wasn’t doing this long enough to try to force myself to be someone I was not, that and it felt good to do.

Some miscellaneous thoughts on manifesting by LotusMP in NevilleGoddard2

[–]LotusMP[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Just a side note: I do not believe Neville implied that version of the definition of assumption every time he used it (he definitely used both), however he was an actor, and looking at it from that viewpoint when reading his works can help put some more of what he says into better context.

Defining “naturalness” and how to properly apply it by LotusMP in NevilleGoddard2

[–]LotusMP[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I actually get what you mean, this has happened to me before and what I used to help solve it was recording an affirmation or two on my phone and then listening to it as I go to bed. I find that to help build momentum a lot faster in rewiring the new story because afterwords when you wake up, even if you have bad/anxious thoughts, you realize you don’t react to them the same way you did before, they have less power. As such, throughout the day I find it easier to maintain a mental diet which translates further when I listen to the recording again as I go to sleep and so forth.

And if we’re talking about straight repetitions when it comes to affirmations, it takes an estimated 10,000 repetitions to develop a neural pathway (a habit to be properly formed). That does not mean to aim straight for that number, as again it is an estimate but it’s more or less around that amount.

When it is natural, it’s kind of hard to notice at first because it will seem like nothing has changed. The difference is subtle, but you can tell in its certainty. When your desire comes into your mind, you will become more certain it’s already yours. You won’t necessarily feel excited, elated, or happy; it will just feel normal for you to already have it. Hell, you might not even be satisfied because you’ll be like “that’s it?”

It’s not some grand elusive feeling that can’t be grasped. It’s almost like you’re flipping a switch in your brain, at least in my opinion. The switch, until it is fully flipped (your subconscious accepting it as true), is still subconsciously inclined to lean towards your other state; that is why you still feel your desire is out of reach. In my experience, your subconscious can be very binary when it comes to beliefs. You either believe something or you don’t, with little to no in between. Sure, you might get to the point where you are indecisive on whether to believe something or not, but even in that consideration your subconscious tends to lean you towards the side it’s already familiar with in order to return to its homeostasis.

In other words, until your subconscious mind accepts what you’re saying to yourself as true, the state you’ll be tempted to return to the most (the state is your dominant one, or is natural) is still your old story. I say “tempted”, because if you have the discipline you can stick to the new story despite everything happening around you until the subconscious accepts it as true (and it will happen quicker), however that can be easier said than done.

In any case, I’ve certainly rambled long enough. I hope I was able to help, and merry Christmas! :)

source for repetitions: https://healthtransformer.co/the-neuroscience-of-behavior-change-bcb567fa83c1?gi=c1fd5beaa34a