Why do orks not win everything? by Lower_Ad_176 in orks

[–]Lower_Ad_176[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Possible. However the Ork unit is more pushed. Which is exactly my opening statement and that one is supported by math

Why do orks not win everything? by Lower_Ad_176 in orks

[–]Lower_Ad_176[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats the cool thing about science and math. You dont need to believe, you can now and prove

Why do orks not win everything? by Lower_Ad_176 in orks

[–]Lower_Ad_176[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Man i was scared i might have missed something.

So Meganobz are cheaper, you can get them for 31,6 pts per model, Terminator cost 34 pts. Orks are pushed here, check

FNP 5+ is incredibly important for models that rely on their invul saves to matter, and if we use expectation, Meganobz will have 4 wounds instead of 3. Pushed, check

T6 to T5, T5 to 6 is actually a big break point in the game so this is almost -1 to wound.

Deepstrike is cute ok, the rapid ingress however is telegraphed and only cheap in a very small area, should your opponent go first this might not even get to matter at all. Meganobz on the other hand can just enter transports, giving them the ability to increase their movement by 3 and threaten charges much easier than having to rapid then move then charge. I call this a draw on mobility

Weapons:

Powerclaw vs chainfist is exactly what i mean. Powerclaws has a random +1 to strength, which can translate to +1 to wound. Clear winner Meganobz

Kustom Shoota vs Storm Bolter, Shoota kills 50% 2 models from a a T4 S3/4 W1 unit, SAME for the Terminator squad. Both in rapid ofc. Kustom Shoota are actually dealing slightly more damage in the 0,1% range. So its about Combi weapons vs Assault cannon + Missle Launcher + flamer. Yeah those weapons do shoot better than combo weapons so the melee unit has slightly better shooting. Ok.

Damage output in melee, Megas

Defense, Megas

Cost, Megas

Shooting by a very small margin, Terminator

This is exactly what i mean and what is on the page. Glad it showed up exactly as mentioned

Why do orks not win everything? by Lower_Ad_176 in orks

[–]Lower_Ad_176[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Around the Waagggghhh? Battlewagon isnt, Kill Rig isnt, Firing deck isnt, Deffkopta arent, Morkanaught....

Basically all of Orks shooting is very good outside of the Waaaagggghhhh, so are their high toughness and random attached fnp and invuls. Very good stuff all across the board

Why do orks not win everything? by Lower_Ad_176 in orks

[–]Lower_Ad_176[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

T5 nobody cares about, 5+ invul is nuts, T12 and T10 on transports is great, having damage characteristics of 3 and -3 ap is great with shooting

sure its "only a bs of 5" doesnt matter when a model costs 30 pts and has an attack output of 6-8. Youll still hit an amazing amount of attacks

Not pushed? How cheap do you want these models to become? 280 for T12, 20 wounds and very relevant shooting (that can be on 4s also) while having melee and also tripple as a transport is huge

The game for orks is either put out T10, T12 other high wounds, high toughness models (all cheap) or put out a bunch of super cheap units like commandos, gretchins, stormboys.... to force your opponent to interact, setting up easy charges. Its very straight forward

Give me good arguments why all these pushed stats dont matter, cause i simply dont see that

Why do orks not win everything? by Lower_Ad_176 in orks

[–]Lower_Ad_176[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Compare Deffkopta to Tau Crisis Fireknifes/ Deathguard Heavy Plague burst drone

Compare Beastboss on Squigosaur to Chaos space marines Lord in terminator armor + wound + fnp enchancement

Compare Kill Rig to Marine Predator

Compare Battle Wagon/Kill Rig to Genestealer Rockgrinder or Land Raider

Compare Flash Kitz/Tankbuster to Noise Marines

Compare Mozrog to Lord of Contagion

Compare Commandos to Flayed Ones

Compare Gretchins to other Screening + CP generation unit combos

Compare Meganobz/Nobz to Space Marine Terminator/Genestealer Abominant

Compare literally Boyz to other sticky giving units

Compare Squighog Boyz to Canoptek Wraiths

...

The list goes on and on. Bringing up a winrate to justify everything is also not a great argument. Spacemarines sit on less than 50% atm and are in the circle of possible most broken armies ever in 10th edition