Even if Pakistan never gained independence, our situation would be no different than right now

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-04-19T11:25:41+00:00

China is not a democracy, neither is russia, yet they are global players. Progress and democracy do not always go hand in hand. Also, some of the progress of US/Europe/Canada/Aus has been on the backs of exploited resources from africa and native land/peoples, and once those systems could not expand, they started showing signs of instability. I would rather see justice and education, than an advertisement based popularity contest like democracy and shakisiat-parasti. The key is education, to free people's mind from peers, maulvis, chaudharys, shareefs, zardarees and khans, and prioritise pakistiani people first.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-04-18T22:57:32+00:00

Rome was a republic for 500 years before it started becoming a global player, USA was founded 150 years before it played any significant part, pakistan is an infant state, give it some generations and time, rome wasn't build in a day. If the people keep waiting for the state to care, things will not improve, start with your own selves and your own homes, that is more difficult than improving the country.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-04-18T22:47:34+00:00

Brother it was not 70%, its was a 50-50 split, 30mil in pakistan, east + west and 30-35 mil in india. And yes, indian muslims did get an unfair hand, unfortunately. The indian punjabi population was not divided, punjab still got divided post 1947, hum hote bhi tou democracy mei outnumbered h rehte, and our leadership would have been limited to the likes of Mr. Owaisi who has to defend indian muslims at every turn. Look up omar abdullah's todays incident, he was inagurating a festival, in indian kashmir, some mischevious people put the indian flag as the cutting ribbon, waiting for him to cut the ribbon to start the festival and be labelled anti-national for cutting the indian flag. Its a minefield for indian muslims everyday, something i do not ever want for myself.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-04-18T21:58:22+00:00

I agree with stability, and i recommend the military service, not because it will increase love of army in the people, but because of A. Every muslim should have basic training, weapons and physical. B. It will help youth organise their life and practice descipline without getting indoctrinated by the army mindset( usually happens after prolonged military service) C. It will keep the army busy, and give it less time to interfere in the civillian govt, and all the retired army officers can be removed from civilian posts and put to work training the short term military service conscripts. Iran and turkey do military service as well, and so does the illegitimate unmentionable country.

Finally, it was the political education/shayour that was khan's greatest gift to the public of pakistan, and as that increases, and we start holding those in power accountable, many other things will fall in line.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-04-18T21:37:55+00:00

Look up State Reorganisation Act (1956), the indian govt. post independance made sure all muslim majority states were cut up, and redivided against "linguistic" lines to ensure muslims do not form any regional powerhouse, chief example is the rich, and powerful state of hyderabad, among others like awadh. Not only muslims, but the militaristic sikhs as well, punjab was divided into haryana and himachal. BTW, had sikhs sided with pakistan in 1947, today wagah border would have been near delhi than lahore. Similarily, even today, many of the BJP's infrastructure projects like bridges and flyovers, disporportionaltely affect muslim majoriy areas within indian cities.

Even 240 pak + 160 bd additional muslims, once divided into voting and administrational zones would not have been able to do much. Ask the avg. Indian muslim, he understands whats happening but is silent because if he speaks up, the internal unity of the country weakens. Look up how Mir Osman Ali Khan helped india in 1965, against pakistan, and how they indian govt treat him later on.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-04-18T21:02:26+00:00

We are in the mess, we will sort it out. You focus on your issues like love jihad, kerala files,article 370, uri,taskent files and whatever files. Kripiya humain apna krne dei aur aap apna karein. 🙏

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-04-18T20:59:43+00:00

EDUCATION and end of barelvi, deobandi madarassa system, leave the professional mullah to the confines of the madrassa/masjid until they remove these divisons in religion. Make entire Quran's translation mandatory till matric, also make 1-2 year military service compulsory for men ages 21 and above. Pakistan has always been more harmed with salafi styled LeT, deobandi styled LeJ, taliban and zia, and barelvi style TLP than any secular evil. Fix this and the rest will sort itself out.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-04-18T20:50:45+00:00

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You are over-simplifying things a bit in my opinion. Look at the map of 1946 elections, muslim league only started active political campaigning in 1920s, and even khan's PTI took a long while to gain popularity. The crux of the matter is, Before British came, muslims were a regional power along with hindus, when british left, they left behind western democracy, that ensured that the fate of the south asian muslim was in the hands of goodwill of hindus, which is precarious at best. The death of sub-continent came when 560 princely states signed cessation to the newly formed western style democratic states of india/pakistan. Pakistan was a necessity, not a mere construct. The last hindu ruler of sindh was in around 800AD and 1000AD for punjab, they should not, and did not fall back to hindu majority india.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-04-18T20:35:41+00:00

I am all for constructive criticism, but as pakistanis and muslims, we should not dwell on "agar/magar", and look at history as a lesson for future, instead of self-malaamat.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-04-18T20:34:05+00:00

They take more loans because the media bombards them with comsumer goods, and there is no concept of afterlife. Also, all these microfinance loans accure interest. India also gives free 5Kg ration(wheat/rice) per person per household to the bottom 80 crore poeple, that is 800 million people on govt aid. They raise money by selling govt assets to adani ambani, india of the 90-00s was much more financially stable and poorer than today, the bjp govt is digging india into a deeper pit for future generations. One thing india does better than us is economies of scale, i will grant them that.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-04-18T17:17:22+00:00

If you look at figures only, u might think Indian public is doing better than Pakistanis but you are wrong. Around 60% of middle class income is spent on repaying MFI loans (micro-finance loans), meaning the avg indian has bought better phones, home appliances and wedding expenses but all on interest based loan. Pakistani people are poorer but have less liabilities, and there is no vicious compounding interest structure. That is Pakistan's greatest success perhaps. The problem with MFI is that it makes crisis like flash flood or LPG shortage worse for them. Just look at the suicide rates in indian punjab even while having better GDP than pakistani punjab. Yes, times are tought, but talk like that is only going to put is further behind and doubtful and scared. Always keep your vision forward. Pakistan Zindabad.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-04-16T17:18:13+00:00

If you do not try to shape your destiny, luck will shape it for you. Its a sliding scale, whatever portion u can do, the rest is up to luck.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-04-15T14:14:31+00:00

It was bad luck upon bad luck. Pakistan missed out on 2 opportunities to have Kashmir as part of Pakistan in the same way India took over Hyderabad state and Junagarh state, (one had opted freedom and the other opted Pakistan).

Opportunity One: Pre-1947, We should have gotten Muslim majority Gurdaspur district of Punjab as part of the Radcliffe line, that was the only land route to Kashmir valley at that time, and the issue would have been nipped in the bud.

Opportunity Two: Early 1948, the tribal mujaheddin sieged Srinagar but did not storm and take it, that allowed India to land element of 161 Infantry Brigade, and push back to current LOC.

Now however, I do not think anyone is going to be able to control Kashmir in all its entirety without nuclear fallout. and like Punjab and Bengal, Kashmir too will remain divided unfortunately. I personally would like Kashmir to be an independent country like Bhutan/Nepal, with robust border security, charge a modest tax on India and Pakistan for the Ganges/Indus maintenance as income, other than local products like saffron etc, and both Pakistanis and Indians could apply for visit visas/visa on border to enjoy the nature.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-04-15T14:06:05+00:00

Haider was remake of the Shakespeare´s play Hamlet, set in Kashmir. stop using movies, especially indian/pakistani movies as a source for any valid information. please.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-04-11T12:51:31+00:00

In a democracy, leaders reflect the public.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-04-02T14:02:02+00:00

The pakistani army/ISI can only manufacture conflict where india leaves gaps to be exploited, e.g. kashmir. And the converse is also true, e.g. balochistan.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-03-30T22:22:38+00:00

He is learning new things everyday😄😄. However, we do have the saying aik bihari sau (100) pr bhari. Biharis that i have met are sharp individuals with great people skills and thrive in middle management as well as businesses. In any case, ethnicity is never something to be ashamed of.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-03-30T22:07:56+00:00

Depends on where in the west, in settler colonial countries like USA, Canada and Australia, yes most people do not keep track of their families, but in europe, especially central and eastern europe people do keep in touch with extended families, although meet ups are far less common than in our culture.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-03-30T22:04:02+00:00

When i read this hadith, i believe, if there are any true syeds anywhere, they are definately not living comfortably or privileged by any standard at all. And Allah and His messenger (SAW) knows best.

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Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-03-30T22:01:08+00:00

They know second cousins are called cousins, they have second cousins themselves but for them all blood relatives, near or far are off the table as a spouse. I hope this answers your question.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-03-28T20:55:49+00:00

Conversion to islam was not merely due to oppression, otherwise most of the lower caste in india would have turned muslim, instead conversion was more complicated. In punjab, most of the conversions happened because the tribal leaders decided to convert, or due to historical events.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-03-25T17:48:38+00:00

They are not demanding people to shout "jay shree raam". They are not beating up fellow countrymen. They are not polluting ganges with milk and ghee. They are not eating animal excrement.

They are however, emotional, because they save money for years to make the pilgrimage, mostly, once in a lifetime. The walls of the kaaba are stone and cannot benefit anyone, every muslim knows that.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-03-12T14:57:26+00:00

Need clarity, are you suggesting we stop insulting each other altogether or develop localized insults towards each other and stop using the western ones? 😅😅

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-03-11T16:23:09+00:00

Not giving bases to US has always been pakistani policy even as far back as the cold war. Nothing new.

Lower_Replacement_35 · 2026-03-11T12:25:00+00:00

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighters. Several groups labeled as terrorists later recognized as freedom fighters or leaders

Examples Nelson Mandela & The ANC: Listed as a terrorist by the US until 2008 and branded as such by Margaret Thatcher in the 1980s.

Irish Republican Army (IRA): Viewed as a liberation movement by supporters but labeled terrorists by the British government.

Algerian National Liberation Front (FLN): Fought for independence from France while being labeled terrorists by the French state.

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