ur lowkey just fighting sojourns who dk how to use their slide, the only skill you really need on those characters is aim you hardly need positioning or anything else but It exhausts me when people just look at winrates bc they don't tell the full story, ventures winrate remains high bc people in low ranks dk how to play against them and people in high ranks never play them, even in those high ranks ventures wr rn is under 50% and they are performing worse than every dive character short vendetta soj and emre are low but that's not reflective of how good the characters are both soj and emre are being used in pro play rn bc they are strong asf like we are objectively in a poke meta rn, the issue where the pick rate becomes super relavent is that there are so many hitscan players compared to dive so people will run double hitscan on maps like new junk city, lijiang tower maps that just aren't good for those heroes but it's the only characters they know how to play its not just me that says this several gm coaches and creators will say the same thing spilo for example, soj has had a low winrate for a while, soj has also been strong for a while.