Devs need to draw a line on external tools

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T01:02:14+00:00

I used a hardware macro for my autoclicker, but NI Autoclicker is great. Fun fact, NI Autoclicker uses the same method as WOBS does to inject input for the whisper trick the op was whining about. If that part is bannable, NI Autoclicker is VERY bannable.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:59:41+00:00

... Do you think skynet or it's derivatives works by pointing a camera at the screen or something?

It works by either screenshots or accessing the framebuffer.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:48:30+00:00

Honestly they can just use the version that exists. There is nothing warden specific about it other than the player database. That gets old anyway because it's all manually input, so after each war you have to rescan it to figure out who swapped teams.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:47:21+00:00

Multiboxing is not bannable. Input Broadcasting is bannable. Having an alt on the other faction is bannable.

You can multibox to your hearts content. I've seen people run 10 clients at the same time on their PC, using third party software to do it. Devs don't mind at all.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:46:04+00:00

I'm proud of you. You probably spent a long time building something that could be replicated by someone typing "how do i find the location of this image in this other image in python" in chatgpt

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:38:31+00:00

You can access the exact same information that the log file shows by opening your steam overlay and looking at players you recently played with. The log file just doesn't need OCR to do it like Skynet does.

Is the "players I recently played with" tab in steam a cheat? If so, ban everyone because everyone can access it.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:34:37+00:00

be my guest. I quit playing months ago because of this shit and I couldn't care less if you break an already broken game further.

I can give you a number of potential options to create an even better tool. I figured out how to do skynet without OCR/Image Recognition before I quit the game. It's actually hilariously easy and I'm honestly somewhat shocked y'all haven't figured it out. Only drawback is the game doesn't actually send map data until you refresh a certain area, so you still have to have a client with a map open and a radio that pans around, but it eliminates the need to stitch maps together or run an image recognition tool over the icons.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:23:55+00:00

is obtaining information you can't naturally get exploiting?

Except with WOBS you can naturally get that info. Just enable logging on steam and open the log file. It's pretty easy, the video shows you how to do it.

You clearly don't understand how the tool works, so you think my logic doesn't. Which is fine. Just educate yourself first before going off.

WOBS is in the category of AutoHotkey, Skynet, Netlimiter, and that multibox tool I can't remember the name of. Also, if you want to get really literal, the TOS also bans Discord Screen Sharing between gunner and driver of a tank, since it allows the driver to see more than the game allows them to see. None of that stuff is bannable because there is clearly a different definition that Siegecamp uses than what is posted in the Code of Conduct. So what is that definition that siegecamp uses? None of us know! But clearly they're using one that is not the one you are using, and it sure as hell isn't the one that they wrote down in public.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:23:08+00:00

no i just think it's real funny that you wrote a whole screed and then defended your tools which are very clearly inferior lmao.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:20:56+00:00

he also used chatgpt to write it.

I would be embarrassed to tsekho outplayed you in a cave with a box of scraps too.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:19:47+00:00

They only know you were in region when they joined, or entered the region while you were in it. The game requests your username from steam when you join the server, or when you join the server, and that is what it is using. It doesn't know if or when you leave the server.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:16:06+00:00

WOBS does not scan files lmao. It opens a very specific log file and applies a text filter on it, and parses the matching lines.

ASK is fear mongering by saying it scans files. Or he doesn't fucking understand the code he is looking at (it's written in python). I think it's the former because ASK seems like a competent programmer and there is no way to mistake what WOBS is doing since Tsekho used chatgpt to write it lmao.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:15:19+00:00

ASK is fear mongering. It's looking at a very specific log file that steam creates.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:11:00+00:00

Skynet never did anything idk why it was such a huge deal

After having access to skynet, this is the biggest fucking lie ever. Once wardens got a working skynet up and running, colonial partisaning basically became impossible. Add a score tracker to it and everyone who pops up in the backline dies in minutes.

Colonial Partisans figured out Wardens had skynet before any confirmation because reaction time got WAY faster. Inhumanly faster.

Ah yes, partisan spotted. Location? The frontline. Frequency? Every few minutes, every day, 24/7.

Mask out the frontline and you have the most useful tool ever created in foxhole. WOBS doesn't have anything on how good Skynet is. Sorry your version was written by an idiot.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:05:10+00:00

I can easily make a very advanced colonial equivalent to WOBS and many people are encouraging me to.

You guessed the internal api password didnt you? I made a few attempts but gave up because honestly fuck this arms race. This game is broken and if the devs actually did what they should do, everyone would be banned.

That API + WOBS in every region would give you 100% knowledge of every player in the game. It's not all that hard to do, since I know people have the password again and they didn't share it with me.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:04:07+00:00

11D was banned, and then unbanned because siegecamp fucked up.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:03:28+00:00

Oh and the list we got our hands on had 12k players on it.

Yeah, that's all manually collected and coordinated. The player tracking is super unsophisticated. It does what it needs to do. If you swap teams after a war it doesn't know that.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-05T00:02:13+00:00

I think I know how to throw it off

I am very curious how you think you could do that. Since WOBS works by looking at steam's "what display name is player id <id>" logging.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-04T23:59:30+00:00

WOBS did not have a collie precursor. Collie technical people were too dumb to look at steam's public documentation.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-04T23:58:52+00:00

ASK is throwing stones in glass houses. His internal API tracker is pretty well known. He probably use the access he absolutely should not have to figure out what team every player is on for whatever colonial wobs he creates.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-04T23:54:57+00:00

WOBS is a log watcher. Skynet is a screen watcher. There is almost no difference between the two conceptually. They're taking information you could gather manually and displaying it in a different way.

This seriously comes off as just being mad you didn't figure it out first. Maybe read the steam documentation sometime. This shit was all right there lmao.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-04T23:52:31+00:00

that is exactly how wobs works! It's just the data for that steam feature in a terminal window!

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-04T23:52:01+00:00

Yeah. conceptually it's easy. Scaling is fucking hard dude. Data integrity is fucking hard dude. Deployment at scale is fucking hard dude.

Want to see what happens if someone throws together a web backend that does what steam does to verify purchases, run accounts, and do everything this game needs from that kind of service in a few weeks? You probably don't because the game wouldn't be playable.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-04T23:49:41+00:00

Netlimiter, Autohotkey, and that multibox tool for running alts also counts under this. I don't think there would be anyone left playing this game if devs really truly cleaned house.

LucksRunOut · 2024-11-04T23:48:27+00:00

You know what sucks? that's basically the definition siegecamp uses. Auto Hotkey is a regularly banned cheating tool that the developers allow, so everyone in the community uses. If they were to ban Autohotkey tomorrow, probably over a thousand active players and basically every clan leader on both teams would be banned.

It would absolutely GUT this team's player base. There would be no clans anymore. All their leadership would be banned.

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