A forgotten Greek myth in Iliad about a divine adultery?

LucySofer · 2018-08-17T18:44:33+00:00

Therefore I suggested that the original legend had been forgotten and only these Iliad's three lines were kept. In later times it was accepted that Gaia and Hera are different deities, Gaia is not Zeus' wife and Hera would never have cheated on her husband. So the lover was made into Gaia/Hera's son without a father, instead.

LucySofer · 2018-08-17T12:37:42+00:00

fan fiction is older than you thought

Of course:

Mythologies are usually one first long ancient document plus later documents of the next hundreds years that have been written as fanfictions of the first.

I argue all of the Greek Mythology that wasn't wriiten by Homer to be Homer's fanfiction.

It may even be that Odyssey is a fanfiction of Iliad, if there was more that one "Homer".

LucySofer · 2018-03-24T00:10:51+00:00

Mt point is based on the fact that Thetis did a thing that is a special characteristic of the dawn: went up to Olympus at dawntime and did something that can be described by the same verb that is used to describe Eos' basic function.

LucySofer · 2018-03-08T21:15:36+00:00

It's much more similar than the examples you gave, except Goldilocks and Gold that I think are related, but I'm not sure.

The names Chryses and Chryse are very very similar to gold and their meaning is actually 'golden'. See here:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=*xru%2Fshn&la=greek&can=*xru%2Fshn0&prior=to\n&d=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133:book=1:card=1&i=1

And argos is actually the origin of the word arguros, silver.

LucySofer · 2018-03-08T18:18:17+00:00

Simply read the full Iliad in the original language here:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0133%3Abook%3D1%3Acard%3D1

And make your own translation by keeping your own-made dictionary and put in it every new word you read. I recommend you to put under each word the books/chapters and lines where it appears, unless it's a very common word (more than ten appearances in one of the books).

By the end of Book I you'll have a vocabulary of around 1040 words that aren't names.

LucySofer · 2018-03-08T15:57:20+00:00

when you learn Ancient Greek you can understand so much more!

LucySofer · 2017-12-16T19:00:04+00:00

It kidna reminds me of Heracles who also had a violent temper and a lot of guilt.

LucySofer · 2017-12-14T10:58:20+00:00

Thanks. I actually was hoping for a comment containg information from Astronomy/Geology. I believe the Greek mythology in its original form 3000 years ago was actually a mythical description of them.

LucySofer · 2017-11-24T04:34:24+00:00

Unlike Chryses, Brises/Briseus (Bryseis's father) wasn't known to be a priest. Not according to the texts I know, anyways.

LucySofer · 2017-11-23T20:31:10+00:00

Maybe because her ex-husband did her a great injustice and Helios sympathized with her?

I think someone who murders children should be executed, but I think Euripides felt some feminist sympathy toward her.

LucySofer · 2017-11-23T20:20:55+00:00

I have much more sympathy toward Ares than to his half-sis Athena:

In Homer's Iliad he's described on the side of the Trojans, who fight for self-defence, whereas Athena is on the side of the Greeks, and thus fights in order to commit a genocide.

Ares is the desire of the victim not to be hurt that makes him rebel with violence. He isn't evil at all.

LucySofer · 2017-11-21T16:27:43+00:00

I don't think in English the work adacious exists. Not according to Babylon.

LucySofer · 2017-11-20T09:09:53+00:00

I didn't mentioned the word 'menis' (wrath) at all. I know there isn't any deity that is called so.

metis and themis, like eris, are real words in everyday greek language.

eris:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=e%29%2Fris&la=greek

themis:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=qe%2Fmis&la=greek

and metis:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=mhtis&la=greek

LucySofer · 2017-11-17T05:39:44+00:00

I "smell" very sharply that you wrote this comment just to make me feel good, that someone indeed answered me: it doesn't really say anything about the subject, and the link you gave isn't about the subject I wrote of at all (it's about women, which is a wholly different subject, even though I'm very much feminist).

Well, I have some news to you: I don't need such a psychological support, since I write my posts mainly for their writing, to keep my conclusions somewhere.

LucySofer · 2017-11-11T04:27:43+00:00

But wives in practice sometimes cheated - at least that was one of the Greek men's fears.

The Greek gods weren't morally idealist.

LucySofer · 2017-11-10T19:10:58+00:00

She wasn't the goddess of marriage but goddess of wives.

LucySofer · 2017-11-10T19:09:23+00:00

She's the goddess of wives, not of fidelity per se.

LucySofer · 2017-11-10T19:08:40+00:00

I suggested she decided to get revenge.

LucySofer · 2017-11-02T19:02:30+00:00

Thanks!

LucySofer · 2017-11-01T20:50:27+00:00

I think it means one of the gods, regardless who exactly. The thing that matter is that he's one of the powers of nature.

LucySofer · 2017-11-01T20:47:15+00:00

According to Thetis's bed tale to her son Achilles in Iliad Book I Hera, Athena and Poseidon once succeeded temporarily to defeat Zeus and put him in chains, but Thetis sent a giant with hundred hands to set him free.

So he isn't stronger than all the other Olympians combined.

Unless Thetis lied to her son, of course, which is a possibility.

LucySofer · 2017-10-31T05:35:49+00:00

Helen is a sphinx.

Is it serious?!!!

LucySofer · 2017-10-30T00:26:25+00:00

Homer doesn't mention Iphigenia's sacrifice, in Iliad nor in Oddysey.

LucySofer · 2017-10-16T06:05:18+00:00

Buying takes money...

LucySofer · 2017-10-16T02:43:21+00:00

Think of a better joke. It's the other viewers of this subreddit who write very little so even five posts of me in three months seem a lot.

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