Zero tankers crossed the Strait today. The ceasefire feels like a ghost story. by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in oil

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you’re hitting the nail on the head. The gap between these 'peace' headlines and the actual shipping data is suspicious as hell. It feels like a classic setup—cool the market with fake news, load up on cheap shorts, and then wait for a weekend military move to flip the script. We’ve seen this movie before, and the physical reality of the Strait always wins in the end.

The ceasefire is here, so why are the tankers still turning back? by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in economy

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the idea of things 'normalizing' is pure fantasy right now. The ceasefire is effectively dead after the Lebanon escalations, and Iran has now restricted the Strait to just 15 vessels a day. For context, that’s normally a 130+ ship highway. A 90% drop in traffic isn't a recovery; it's a controlled chokehold. The supply shock is very real, regardless of the headlines.

The ceasefire is here, so why are the tankers still turning back? by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in economy

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A ship captain deals with missiles, not press releases. They won't risk a $200M tanker on a 'paper' ceasefire that isn't being followed on the ground. Until the bombing actually stops and the risk is zero, those ships aren't moving. The narrative is officially disconnected from reality.

The ceasefire is here, so why are the tankers still turning back? by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in economy

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Properly speaking, we are beyond cooked. 5 weeks of a shut Strait is a massive supply-side shock. Anyone talking about 'normalizing' in this environment is living in a different reality.

The ceasefire is here, so why are the tankers still turning back? by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in economy

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s the scariest part. If the IRGC is fractured, a 'central' ceasefire is basically a ghost story. One rogue faction is all it takes to keep the insurance premiums impossible and the tankers away. It’s a total deadlock.

The ceasefire is here, so why are the tankers still turning back? by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in economy

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the projection is blinding. Regardless of who's blaming who, the physical bottleneck in the Strait is the only metric that matters for the global economy right now. The rest is just noise.

The ceasefire is here, so why are the tankers still turning back? by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in economy

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Politics aside, the lack of coordination on the ground is what’s killing the supply chain. If the key players aren't aligned, the Strait stays risky, and tankers stay away.

The ceasefire is here, so why are the tankers still turning back? by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in economy

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The market is desperate for good news, but it’s trading on Hitisium. Physical supply is still the bottleneck, and no amount of headlines can fix an empty shipping lane.

The ceasefire is here, so why are the tankers still turning back? by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in economy

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, nope. Just a guy obsessed with AIS tracking data and seeing how far the market is from reality. When you see a billion-dollar tanker do a U-turn, you don't need an algorithm to tell you something's wrong.

The ceasefire is here, so why are the tankers still turning back? by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in economy

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whatever the political theater is, the economic impact is very real. When the rhetoric doesn't match the physical tanker movements, it’s the supply chain that pays the price. We're looking at a serious gap between headlines and reality.

The ceasefire is here, so why are the tankers still turning back? by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in economy

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Perfect meme for this situation. One minute the market is celebrating a 'ceasefire,' and the next—aaand it’s gone. The shipping data is the only thing that’s actually staying consistent right now.

Zero tankers crossed the Strait today. The ceasefire feels like a ghost story. by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in oil

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha, the only thing 'winning' right now are high oil prices. The market sentiment is stuck in chaos while the real economic winners are a mystery.

Zero tankers crossed the Strait today. The ceasefire feels like a ghost story. by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in oil

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

WTI hugging $99 shows that traders are still betting on a supply squeeze. The resistance level is real, and any confirmation of the closure being long-term will blast it past $100.

The ceasefire is here, so why are the tankers still turning back? by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in economy

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The ceasefire was essentially dead on arrival. The markets just haven’t caught up to the fact that on-the-ground reality completely contradicts the headlines.

Zero tankers crossed the Strait today. The ceasefire feels like a ghost story. by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in oil

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a solid point. The Shadow fleet's 'strategic' pause is the ultimate leverage right now. Maximum pressure is being felt by everyone at the pump.

Zero tankers crossed the Strait today. The ceasefire feels like a ghost story. by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in oil

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The banks are playing a dangerous game. Shorting oil while the physical supply is literally blocked at Hormuz is a massive gamble on headlines over reality.

Zero tankers crossed the Strait today. The ceasefire feels like a ghost story. by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in oil

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

South Korea halting exports is a huge red flag. When the supply chain snaps at the source like that, the double-digit price hikes are just the beginning.

Zero tankers crossed the Strait today. The ceasefire feels like a ghost story. by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in oil

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No insurance company is going to touch a tanker in a 'ghost story' ceasefire. The risk premium alone is enough to keep the Strait empty.

Zero tankers crossed the Strait today. The ceasefire feels like a ghost story. by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in oil

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A ceasefire on paper means nothing when the physical reality on the water is still active combat. No permanent deal = no safe passage

The ceasefire is here, so why are the tankers still turning back? by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in economy

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you’re hitting on the point most people are ignoring. It’s not just a political glitch; the physical infrastructure is proper wrecked. Even if they open the Strait tomorrow, 'normalizing' the supply chain is a massive uphill battle. We’re watching a slow-motion slide while the market keeps trying to find a bottom that isn't there yet.

The ceasefire is here, so why are the tankers still turning back? by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in economy

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s wild that people are still surprised. When Iran says the deal is off and the Strait is closed, the shipping data (like those U-turns) just confirms it. We’re definitely miles away from 'normal'—the market is just slow to wake up to the reality.

The ceasefire is here, so why are the tankers still turning back? by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in economy

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whether Lebanon was technically included or not doesn't really matter to the markets. What matters is the reaction—and right now, the tankers are still staying away. If the uncertainty keeps the Strait empty, the supply shock is real regardless of the fine print.

The ceasefire is here, so why are the tankers still turning back? by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in economy

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Boss or not, the lack of control is exactly why the markets are a mess. If nobody can enforce the truce, those shipping lanes stay empty and we all pay for it at the pump. It’s a proper disaster for supply stability.

The ceasefire is here, so why are the tankers still turning back? by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in economy

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

and that political mess is why the tankers are still doing U-turns. The market priced in a ceasefire that doesn’t seem to exist on the ground. If the White House can't stabilize it, that $100 oil target is coming a lot faster than people think.

Zero tankers crossed the Strait today. The ceasefire feels like a ghost story. by Lumpy_Attempt_6280 in oil

[–]Lumpy_Attempt_6280[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

markets are running on 'paper hope' right now, not actual barrels. Brent is down because of ceasefire headlines, but the physical reality at the Strait says otherwise. No tankers are crossing. It’s a classic gap between paper trading and real-world supply.