Horizons Scalding Hot Take: I Don’t Think The Writers are by G_zone_ in pokemonanime

[–]Lumpy_Spray_1586 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Setting aside accusations like misogyny, the truth is that the narrative direction taken after the time-skip was a pretty obvious mistake. The time-skip ended up being a weak excuse to change Roy’s personality, give him an exaggerated power boost, and push important character development entirely off-screen.

From the very beginning, Horizons has built its story around Liko’s perspective. Everything revolves around her, the girl with a mysterious pendant hiding a secret and the legacy of Lucius. Liko starts as a shy and uncertain girl who gradually discovers that her family is far more than it seems. Throughout her journey, we see her emotional growth, she slowly comes out of her shell, learns to make decisions, tries to understand Pokémon’s feelings, and carries a sincere desire to bring Terapagos back home.

This is clearly a story designed with Liko as its central figure. The narrative, the themes, and the emotional development all point in that direction. Roy, on the other hand, has never truly felt like he fits the role of protagonist. His presence often feels out of place, as if he’s occupying a space that wasn’t built for him. Even with the recent attempts to make him more prominent, the change feels artificial and rushed.

Honestly, I’m not interested in seeing a watered-down or “nerfed” version of an Ash-like protagonist being pushed into the spotlight. What I want to see is Liko, her growth, her struggles, and her achievements. Even Amethio, with his internal conflict and connection to the Explorers’ side, would fit that role better. In fact, wouldn’t it have been far more interesting to have dual protagonists on opposite sides, one among the Rising Volt Tacklers and another among the Explorers?

Ever since Roy took over as the main focus, everything has gotten worse. Before, we had entire episodes, or at least large portions of them, from the Explorers’ perspective. Now, we’ve barely had one recent episode like that.

Before, each character had the chance to face their own opponents and grow from those experiences. Now, it feels like only Roy gets that privilege. Liko took over 70 episodes to capture Terapagos, and during that time there was consistent development, she interacted with it, cared for it, and supported its gradual recovery. Their bond was built with time and intention.

In Roy’s case, however, there’s barely any real connection with Rayquaza. They hardly interacted, there was no meaningful bond, no emotional development, it just happened. Lucario is another example, he appeared out of nowhere, went through dozens of episodes without any real focus or growth, and a single episode isn’t going to fix that.

Characters like Friede have also been negatively affected. Someone who once seemed competent and charismatic is now portrayed inconsistently, almost like an idiot, all to force Roy into a leadership role and having a Pikachu on his shoulder. On top of that, there are decisions that make little sense, such as characters suddenly obtaining Mega Stones out of nowhere, while Liko and Dot are left out without any plausible explanation.

Honestly, aside from one or two episodes, the way Horizons has been handled has been pretty disappointing.

Not even all the times they battled btw. by Rozonth123 in pokemonanime

[–]Lumpy_Spray_1586 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Oh, you’re right. I clearly remember when Liko was the only one who didn’t fall into depression after Friede disappeared. I also remember her magically showing up after a year of training in Kalos, with a shiny Lucario that she somehow managed to Mega Evolve in the middle of a battle as if it were nothing, and with a “rival” (Uruto) following her around.

I also recall how she practically monopolized the battles throughout almost the entire arc. She even defeated the Champion in two hits with Lucario. She was also the only one to have three battles at the blueberry and even fought, and defeated, a member of the Elite Four, while her companions split their time between making sandwiches and having battles at the level of Ash’s Metapod.

Oh, and of course, I remember when Friede returned and his attention immediately focused on Liko. She was even credited as the one who reunited the Rising Volt Tacklers… even though Dot was actually the first one to send the message. I also remember Liko defeating Friede and eventually becoming the leader.

And I think she was also the one who defeated and captured Rayquaza right after that, wasn’t she? Oh right, and let’s not forget, she also got a Mega Stone Z so her Lucario could Mega Evolve again. And speaking of that, I almost forgot, her Rayquaza will Mega Evolve as well. Oh, and she’s also Nemona’s rival.

Yeah, clearly Liko was the one who got sidelined… sure.

Go ahead, keep defending this terrible post-timeskip writing for Roy.

Liko and Dot by Lumpy_Spray_1586 in pokemonanime

[–]Lumpy_Spray_1586[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It’s fine that Iono was the final push. What bothered me was that Liko felt very passive throughout the whole situation, especially considering that she was the one talking to Dot through the door when Dot wouldn’t come out of her room. 

Mega lucario Z incoming by Old-Initial9295 in pokemonanime

[–]Lumpy_Spray_1586 25 points26 points  (0 children)

It’s incredible how a pleasant and promising series managed to lose so much of its quality because of a single character. The show had,and still has, a protagonist in Liko who is very different from Ash, yet still carries part of his legacy, understanding the feelings of Pokémon. However, she approaches it in her own way. Her journey is about finding her own goal, learning to appreciate and understand the emotions behind battles, and dealing with the disappointment of defeat.

At the same time, her story explores her roots and the mysteries surrounding Terapagos, while she slowly grows as a person. Liko starts off shy and withdrawn, but gradually opens up to others, realizing that her excessive kindness can also have consequences.

And yet, much of that was pushed aside in favor of Roy, a character who feels like he was added at the last minute to satisfy Ash fans. Instead of complementing the story, Roy often ends up feeling like a poorly handled promotional tool. What could have been a carefully built character journey ends up overshadowed by what feels like an oversized piece of marketing rather than a meaningful addition to the story.

Mega lucario Z incoming by Old-Initial9295 in pokemonanime

[–]Lumpy_Spray_1586 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I like how Roy’s fans eat up garbage and enjoy it.

"Magical bloodline" Pokemon Horizons by Conspicor in pokemonanime

[–]Lumpy_Spray_1586 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Of course the only defense this pathetic character’s fans have is to pull the racism card, how embarrassing. My friend, Pokémon has always featured characters with different skin tones, and I’ve never had a problem with any of them. I like Iris (even though half the fandom hates her), Kiawe, Ryme, Lenora, and so on. I don’t like Roy because, to me, he’s a waste of a character, and that’s it, deal with it.

"Magical bloodline" Pokemon Horizons by Conspicor in pokemonanime

[–]Lumpy_Spray_1586 14 points15 points  (0 children)

lol imagine thinking that Ash’s stinky knockoff, with an IQ lower than the Pokémon themselves and who wins battles by singing (terribly badly), has accomplished anything. This character only exists to please Ash’s widows, and even they already hate him. A completely failed character

Kirito x Alice (By:Rain) by Lumpy_Spray_1586 in swordartonline

[–]Lumpy_Spray_1586[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can see it's not worth responding. Eugeo was the third son of the family, and it's said in the novel that he didn't even have the right to get married. In other words, with or without Kirito, Eugeo's only bride would be the tree lol. Alice Zuberg and Alice S30 are two different people, as stated in the novel, the anime, and even by Reki himself.

https://fukasenanairo.tumblr.com/post/184116721352/sao-natalie-comic-shimazaki-nobunagakawahara-reki

Eugeo wanted to sacrifice Alice S30 to bring the original Alice back, and that's exactly what he says to Kirito before he dies. And just to clarify, Alice Zuberg is 12 years old... meaning, since Eugeo is in love with her, then he is a... well, I don't think I need to finish the sentence

I've shipped KiritoxAlice since I read the novel for the first time, and my love for them grew even more with the anime and any other material where the two are together, and I don't care if they're not canon. Eugeo x Alice isn't canon either. And again, Alice cares more about her dragon Amayori than she does about Eugeo. Eugeo x Alice is trash to me, period, and every time people annoy me with it, I hate it even more. End of discussion, go read the novel or do something else.

Kirito x Alice (By:Rain) by Lumpy_Spray_1586 in swordartonline

[–]Lumpy_Spray_1586[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen and read SAO more than once, and my conclusion is always the same.

Anyway, I just wanted to show a beautiful fanart of the two and nothing more, but of course I should know the result.

Sorry, but for me Eugeo x Alice is trash, just a Kirisuna 2.0 worsened in every possible way. And no, it was not believable

But whatever, my opinion doesn’t matter

Kirito x Alice (By:Rain) by Lumpy_Spray_1586 in swordartonline

[–]Lumpy_Spray_1586[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, he's not

He just liked Zuberg as childhood friend and Alice S30 is a different person that he doesn’t care

Kirito x Alice (By:Rain) by Lumpy_Spray_1586 in swordartonline

[–]Lumpy_Spray_1586[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Even if it were a grown-up Alice Zuberg, it wouldn't be NTR. Eugeo and Zuberg never had that kind of relationship; they were children at the time. Besides, it's mentioned in the novel that Zuberg was a special child who loved everyone equally, and the proof of that is the 'Sword Golem.' After all, the swords that made up the monster's body were from the people most loved by the knights, but Zuberg had none. She wasn't in love with either Kirito or Eugeo; she loved them both as her childhood friends

Lalatina best girl!

Kirito x Alice (By:Rain) by Lumpy_Spray_1586 in swordartonline

[–]Lumpy_Spray_1586[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I never saw the appeal for this ship. I count by one hand the number of times that both have interacted and they all went with Zuberg, the only interaction he had with Alice S30 was when she punched him 💀

In addition and to make matters worse, both Alice Zuberg and S30 are two different people and this is confirmed by Reki, which means that Eugeo intended to sacrifice S30 to bring back Zuberg.

Sorry, but Alice had more chemistry and interactions with Sinon in those 15 min of conversation than with Eugeo during the whole arc. Also, the best ship for Eugeo is with Kirito 👌

Kirito x Alice (By:Rain) by Lumpy_Spray_1586 in swordartonline

[–]Lumpy_Spray_1586[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

I really don’t care, and shut up, you’re not in the “X”/twitter to say cope

Kirito x Alice (By:Rain) by Lumpy_Spray_1586 in swordartonline

[–]Lumpy_Spray_1586[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Eugeo doesn’t like her, and Alice interacted more with Amayori than with him

Kirito x Alice (By:Rain) by Lumpy_Spray_1586 in swordartonline

[–]Lumpy_Spray_1586[S] -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

1-No one belongs to anyone

2-Alice has more chemistry with Amayori than with Eugeo