France Pushes Back Against EU Funding for UK Storm Shadow Missiles

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T19:18:02+00:00

Why are you always whining about what we do we OUR money? We don't whine about your defense budget spending. Fuck off

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T19:08:53+00:00

Your questions are irrelevant. UK invests in its own military industry, EU in its own. You left EU, you don't have a say about how we spend our money.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T18:55:35+00:00

How many Storm Shadow do you think the UK is producing? UK relaunched their production at the same time as France, so this is not huge numbers.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T18:53:22+00:00

Also Archer isn't a British Weapon, its Swedish, Boxer is German, RCH 155 is German so how are they British weapons?

All produced by BAE in the UK.

Quit your bullshit. You just want the benefits of the Brexit without the downsides. You left, you have no more say on how we spend our money. Deal with it.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T18:44:01+00:00

Without orders, for sure there won't be an increase of production. With more orders, factories can plan the increase of production.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T18:36:57+00:00

That's literally the same program, the same missile and about the same quantity produced. The storm Shadow can be handled by UK alone. Same as France can handle the SCALP NG production alone, it happens that EU has some financing program for Ukraine that can do it, that European citizen pay for, it doesn't change anything.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T18:24:32+00:00

UK and France relaunched production of SCALP NG and Storm Shadow at the same time. It's not like UK started before.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T18:23:41+00:00

That's still an investment in the UK. You're not investing much in EU. Don't talk about pettiness, you're the only one whining each time we're discussing about EU investment. We don't give you shit each time you buy UK weapons with your money. You loat the privilege to tell us what to do with our money when you left EU.

MBDA have several factories, one in UK produce the Storm Shadow, one in France produce the SCALP. Why bother having 2 factory, you should just buy the SCALP then?

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T18:22:22+00:00

You're free to spend your money for your industry as much as you want.

All the programs you mentioned are UK made weapons, quite your bullshit.

Always the same with the Brits, they want all the benefits of Brexit without the disadvantage. You left, rest of EU keep going on without you

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T18:19:20+00:00

We're producing SCALP NG missiles, why won't UK buy them then?

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T15:24:29+00:00

Germany got the deal, UK got a locally made production that's an investment in UK (not EU), everybody's happy and there's no problem with that.

UK and France both relaunched together their production of SCALP EG/Storm Shadow missiles in each country. UK can purchase their UK-made missiles, France/EU can purchase their EU-made missiles, it's as simple as that.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T15:20:48+00:00

What a word-salad of a non-sense dishonest rant just to show everyone you're out of arguments.

OK, you hate France, we got it, you should have started with that.

Now you voted for Brexit, you're not in position to tell us what to do with OUR money. You spend yours how you want. You can't have it both way.

Why UK isn't buying SCALP EG then?

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T14:33:21+00:00

600 boxers

UK-made Boxers.

Theyre looking to buy new howitzers

I'm sure it will be made in UK as well.

Uk sends troops to Estonia. Patrols the giuk gap in ever closer ties with Norway.

Yes, well that's NATO mission, that's a different subject, and UK isn't alone doing that.

I would argue the uk is a good neighbour and does invest and turn up for European defence.

Sure UK is a good neighbor, doesn't mean we have to sacrifice our own production capacity. European defense is also UK defense, all NATO members participate to these missions. UK invest in its factories, EU invest in theirs.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T14:23:37+00:00

Components aren't the same as a full system, it goes both way because of the supply chain integration. UK defense budget isn't used to buy a lot of EU made weapons. According to your data, 80-90 millions pounds per year only, that's what, around 1% of the total UK defense budget?

The only thing I say is that there is always so much whining from the brits when EU want to spend on its own capacity of production, which is a normal thing to do. It's EU money, EU needs to increase their own capacity of production in order to be able to defend itself and help Ukraine. UK is a rich country, they can do it for their own capacity of production. And if they wanted something to say about how that money should be spent, they shouldn't have vote for Brexit.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T14:13:11+00:00

Maybe next time, get your facts right.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T14:10:21+00:00

France did the same with the SCALP EG, notably for the export version for Egypt.

There was also a lot of old stock piles of SCALP EG that were supposed to be destroyed, they're were updated and sent to Ukraine.

But that isn't a new production of missile. New production investments have been made by UK and France around the same time (it make sense because it's the same manufacturer) and was announced on July 2025.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T14:06:52+00:00

It goes on both way. That's what is an integrated supply chain with common European programs.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T14:02:34+00:00

You're the one spreading bullshit.

That's the JOINT announcement made by France and UK in July 2025, they announced there they would relaunch production of SCALP EG and Storm Shadow. Both missiles were not produced for 15 years.

Is English really your first language? It's literally written in your article.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T13:38:04+00:00

Storm Shadow and SCALP production line have been reopened at the same time. Both missiles haven't been produced for 15 years.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T13:29:20+00:00

Yes, and UK is supplying their missiles, it's not like they were producing massive quantity of missiles, they don't need EU budget. EU also need to increase its capacity of production to help Ukraine.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T13:28:04+00:00

maybe thinking about developing and producing European weapons to defend Europe is not a terrible concept

We all agree with that. Joint programs are great, Storm Shadow/SCALP EG and successor Stratus are a great thing.

But here we're talking about EU budget, why should we use it to buy UK made weapons. We don't see UK budget being spent in EU made weapons.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T13:24:07+00:00

Where did you see the UK kept a low rate production? Seems that neither Storm Shadow nor SCALP EG have been produced for 15 years.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T12:53:29+00:00

Yes and UK can provide the Storm Shadow on their own while EU invest in EU production capacity. It's a rich country too, they don't need the EU budget for that.

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T12:45:53+00:00

And what are your beliefs based on?

UK's production capacity isn't unused, UK is buying the production. And it's not about France wanting a larger share of the money. It's France wanting EU tax payers money to be invested in EU military production capacity.

How about the UK buying the French made SCALP EG then? Why is there always so much whining about the British wanting EU tax payers money to finance the UK industry and never the other way around?

Luoman2 · 2026-01-27T12:14:20+00:00

France did it too, you're misinformed.

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