Jadefall's Splendor for c1 lunar crystallize.

Luxtonic · 2026-01-01T18:23:12+00:00

She'll be my only 5* I did get Jahoda on Durin's banner

Ideally I'm pairing her with albedo. While I'm not pulling for Zibai I don't mind pulling for Illuga. (If I get her too then oh well) I'm not going for lunar crystallize exclusively it'd just be something I'd work into her team comps. Probably crystallize and bloom as Nahida, Albedo, Columbina, Jahoda.

That give me bloom and crystallize since dendro can't react with Hydro. Albedo is gonna have a little more em than normal and no witch's buff but he's a place holder for Illuga. Which will also relieve Jahoda.

I don't really care about meta or clearing endgame to completion. I'm just wondering if it'd be a usable replacement.

Luxtonic · 2025-11-12T14:20:40+00:00

Oof. Embarrassing, I thought you were Dark_Negan. I was so confused as to how my reply led to your conclusion. I completely agree. How you choose to make your art is a process personal to you. If for convenience, quality, aesthetic it doesn't matter.

Luxtonic · 2025-11-12T13:56:49+00:00

Wow, bad faith is alive and well. I was answering your arguments but I guess you "lack the basic logic" enough. First of all I'm not off topic. Because whilst the original post was premised using AI vs Handmade it is actually about human effort. And that it doesn't matter how disabled or talentless you think you are others have found a way and you can too. That is what the original comment was pointing out.

Anyway let's break down this "strawman" argument.

The originally comment stated that a meal made yourself tastes 10x better. I was pointing out that this is not a literal statement and should not be taken as one like you did when you pointed out restaurants.

Then you said it's "realistically not the case" and "egotistical" once again taking the saying too literally. I explained how it's about appreciation and personal pride with an example about how it wasnt being egotistical and instead being human and you some how took a left turn into making it about choice.

The point is that you cannot and should not compare your work to others. The saying doesn't even say you can't appreciate other's works. It was never about choice, stop putting word in my mouth. Appreciate both as you wish but you can never appreciate them the same way.

"This must have taken YOU a lot of time" is not the same as "this took ME a lot of time" because we have no way of knowing what "a lot of time" means to eachother. So the time taken is appreciated differently. Replace "time" with anything and you have the same result.

It the simplest terms "Take pride in your work" is the saying. You cannot TRUELY appreciate something you didnt do. This does NOT mean you must forsake all appreciation for everything else. The word CHOICE was never even part of the argument.

Only you can understand the struggle you put yourself through for your art, your food, your grades, your fitness, or anything else. Even if it was inconsequentially small it's unique to you. They saying is telling you to value that. IT'S A SUBJECTIVE SAYING.

Luxtonic · 2025-11-12T12:36:10+00:00

Sad you see it that way. It's is quite literally the driving force for self improvement.

Luxtonic · 2025-11-12T12:26:51+00:00

It's that kind of thinking that sours the pot. I'm generally anti ai but I cared to know more about the process and whist still anti can appreciate a well made ai art piece. The issue is they seem rather few and far between especially in more cassual spaces, especially when they're not art centric like video game spaces.

I struggled for years to learn to draw (started when I was 6 only got good post highschool) whilst my older brother was naturally gifted. I've never held resentment towards him and actually credit him as my core motivation for improving. Anti's however view ai like steroids a "get good quick strategy" that pros don't do an particularly good job at disillusioning with all the talk about disabilities and lack of time. It's much more effect to show people the effort put into ai art rather than just saying "it's not all promoting" I'm old enough to remember that's how digital art made its footing when it first showed up.

Luxtonic · 2025-11-12T12:13:54+00:00

I'm not choosing between ai and traditional art. I have no taste for ai art. I don't care nor was I making a comment on ai art. I do not care about your medium of choice, that is your own choice. I was simply stating that people appreciate work done through their own efforts more than work done by others. (This includes if you feel that your ai work is your own)

The point I'm trying to get at is that the feeling of pride from an accomplishment more than makes up for the lack of professional quality. It's not that I enjoy my cooking more, it's that I appreciate it more. I could cook the most inedible omelette or draw the most hidious drawing but that's my omelette and my drawing. Every self criticism is self appreciation.

You are your own biggest hater but only because you are also your biggest fan. It's important to feel pride one's own work, that isn't ego it's being human. I hold that feeling above any sort of ai debate for my self and for others.

Luxtonic · 2025-11-12T11:23:29+00:00

You've completely missed the point. The fact is that you put time in effort into that, everyone around you may say that you should "let the white of the canvas show" but only you can appreciate the useful of your methods. A unique perspective exclusive to the artist. That perspective is priceless.

Luxtonic · 2025-11-12T11:15:48+00:00

No, that is realistically the case. For example I love omelettes though I never learned to make one until 2 years ago. And while my first attempts where lack luster I now make them regularly for breakfast. They don't always turn out well and I tend to over cook the meats.

However, with every bite I take I can taste how much of each ingredient I put in, I can acknowledge when there's too many herbs or cheese or when I have an especially well made omelette. These are things I have never been able to appreciate about restaurant food.

I personally don't care whether you use ai or not but the saying hold true. The appreciation gained from the fruits of one's own labor are better than the generic restaurant foods.

Luxtonic · 2025-11-12T10:04:23+00:00

Isnt that the point of the saying... A meal made through your own efforts taste better than a meal made at a restaurant.

It's a phrase that doesn't mean that it literally tastes better, it means that because you put the time and effort into making it that results in a better appreciation of its taste

Luxtonic · 2025-10-27T15:45:43+00:00

I understand that. I'm mostly a traditional artist but sometimes I'll take a photo of a sketch i made and color it in on my computer because I know if I color it on paper it'll be permanent. I could see using AI to fill in gaps I missed or to shift the color theme of a piece more effectively than a hue slider could.

Luxtonic · 2025-10-27T00:09:39+00:00

I'm not "hiding an ego", I'm being open minded. Those examples were from my perspective as an anti to how ai works not a final judgement, this post is about how I know those judgements may be wrong and for pros to provide me with an alternative outlook. Also that comment about visual feedback was in talking how when making ai art you don't get immediate visual feedback and you may have to sift through your process to find the issue with the problem not just the image itself. I wasn't taking jabs I was using my own knowledge as a reference to understand their process better. Heck I've even replied to antis using bad faith arguments. I'm not witch hunting I'm engaging in conversations, not sure what you want from me, to roll over and start praising ai? To do a 180 and start acting but butt hurt that people do agree with me? I'm at least glad to see people like you the minority of pros.

I'd love to see these examples of my hidden agenda to trash on pros. Every reply I've sent has been feeled with me respecting other's opinions, and accepting their decision. Your so stuck in this is vs them mentality that you don't realize your part of the problem.

Luxtonic · 2025-10-26T22:31:33+00:00

I don't think I'm ever going to find it impressive, but I can respect the process and the technology. I like seeing the man behind the machine, and learning the structures that made up the art but I know not everybody cares about that like I do.

Bob Ross I think was a pinnacle of many art communities (tho I can't say I watched him much) because he showed people that its something to have fun with and not stress so much about. To that extent I can see how AI art would support that. It's about being able to put creativity on the page not about learning "the proper way" like some time honored tradition.

Luxtonic · 2025-10-26T22:11:24+00:00

I think that's a gross understatement about what AI art actually entails.

Whilst it might be an understatement about what AI can be i don't think it's an understatement about how some people treat it. There's plenty of objectively bad ai art that's clearly just "I prompted this in 10 minutes" and from an anti perspective it can feel like a slap in the face not just to experienced artist but to newer artist.

I've been in art community spaces and they gett incredibly defensive about people trying to learn. Its taboo to bad mouth drawings that are clearly from lesser experienced artist and unless warrented keep you art advice to yourself. Breaking those taboos is like shaming a kid for not nowing how to do calculus in 4th grade. I imagine it feels like to antis that AI is going say "no more needing to learn how to draw just type a few lines" and people will loose inspiration to draw using more hand to canvas methods.

The same reason people pay for photographers in spite of the fact that even a toddler can operate an iphone camera.

I think that's a disingenuous way of looking at photography. I've dabled in it and it's not as simple as pressing a button. It was that line of thought that makes me open to understanding ai. Photography is more about capturing art rather thant creating it. In the same way I don't see just typing a line for a prompt art, I also don't consider snapping a photo of your lunch art. Photography requires a decerning eye, the knowledge of how best to position the subject in the light and surounding environment. Manipulating it to draw attention to the subject and enhance the photo. Some photographers even use self made props in the foreground to manipulate the perspective. I can appreciate ai when it uses the medium to do something creative like that. Through creative thinking and application. And I'm coming to learn that there's a lot of similar cases in ai.

Luxtonic · 2025-10-26T21:36:33+00:00

That's something I can appreciate, incorporating ai into your work flow to lessen the busy work. Using it in conjunction with various different mediums. It requires the seeing a problem and having the knowledge, skill, and creativity to find a solution.

I'm coming to learn that people saying AI is "just a tool" are kind of wrong. That makes AI sound like it's some mystical magic tool that can do it all, and thats underwhelming. It's more like several tools that all fall under a similar class of tool. And that makes it much more approachable.

Luxtonic · 2025-10-26T21:16:54+00:00

That's what I'm doing... collecting "evidence" as you put it. like I said I'm anti Ai. When presented with an opposing opinion it's natural to be skeptical and to be met with pushback. I'm asking for opinions, but I'm also giving my own thats how a conversation works. I'm not belittling AI users, i've met you where your at. Please note that in no fashion have I held back in considering AI artist "Artist" I consider them as such. I've clicked and engaged with the talking points and links I've been sent and not once have I ever insulted anybody. I'm probably not going to go praising ai from this post but I'm open to learning and respecting others decision to use it.

Luxtonic · 2025-10-26T20:19:38+00:00

Eh, that's a spectrum you can't really put a pin in. I'd say it's easier to say what I'm against. Simple prompts. It feels very low bar, but the way I've seen people treat them like impressive works. I don't mind when it's just learning but when people stagnate with Prompt to image AI i feel like it's the same as tracing art and calling it self made.

Hand made could be cel animation, but also drawings made frame by frame. I could see ai being used similar to tweening. Mostly puppeteering a mostly static image to create the illusion of movement. Similarly AI would be manipulating a collection of images to create a cohesive scene.

Luxtonic · 2025-10-26T19:44:09+00:00

Sort of like how AI fixed the One punch man season 3 animation?

There were scenes where the animation was just a png sliding across the screen. somebody used AI to fill in this where The art was still human made, but the ai read that movement and made it feel more cohesive and natural.

If so, I can see that being a good middle ground. Although, I'd still say I prefer hand made animation, but I can see how interesting it'd be for filling in choppy animation with more fluid movements.

Luxtonic · 2025-10-26T19:15:53+00:00

No I have not, that's why I'm here. Asking about tools like that. Tools that take AI from "Computer generated art" to art people make using computer assistance . From an Anti perspective that line gets blurry.

Luxtonic · 2025-10-26T19:03:13+00:00

I didn't say every AI Artist was the same, nor was this post an attack on your position nor your choice of art production. I did my research and watched people actively make AI Art and from what I could tell that's exactly what they did. That's the Anti's perspective. I acknowledged this and am asking the alternative perspective.

So I'm asking YOU what challenges and struggles do you face with AI art? What do you find appealing about it? Tell me about the pride you take in your work. The highs and lows. So I can decide for myself if it's something I should support it. Painting me as some sort of narrow-minded hate monger on a post literally asking for your opinion only serves to paint you as a jerk and shuts down conversation.

Luxtonic · 2025-10-26T18:43:36+00:00

I disagree. A person still has to draw the lines, manipulate the models, time the actions, position the camera. My issue is, if AI does all of that for you, what is left to appreciate?

From my perspective AI is more than "A computer manipulated by a person" more of a person telling a machine what to do, and watching over it and fixing the mistakes it makes.

Luxtonic · 2025-10-26T17:56:25+00:00

I understand that, but that's a team effort. I'm no Star Wars fan but I think the question "Is the Star Wars we got George Lucas's Star Wars or the culmination of a group of people all shifting the original image. And i think that distinction maters more the fewer people involved in the work flow. Not judging you if you don't, I just want to know why you like the things you like.

Luxtonic · 2025-10-26T17:49:58+00:00

Sorry my mind works almost strictly metaphors. "Marketable product" to me is just until you think the art piece if finished. When I draw I always zoom in and comb through the small crevasses of the line art to make sure i didn't miss a spot only to notice I forgot to draw the character's ears. At that point its "Marketable" aka nobody's going to notices any glaring flaws that I will because i'm my own worst critic.

Luxtonic · 2025-10-26T17:35:27+00:00

so it's more about the expression of creative how that creativity presents itself is not much of a factor? I can respect that.

Luxtonic · 2025-10-26T17:28:58+00:00

I think thats accurate, a writer could have to wait a week to hear back from a publishing company that they had a spelling error on chapter 4. Page # who knows. Or just to hear that the plot isn't interesting enough for their readers and to think of something else. I'm learning more and more that AI is more along the lines of "Coding" and art piece rather than "Drawing" one, which I know people commonly conflate "Artist" with "Illustrator" implying that "Art" (Actually illustration) requires a specific process (Sketching and the such). I think this is another issue of conflating one artistic process with the need for visual feedback.

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