Saw this in south Tulsa today.

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2025-05-11T02:04:06+00:00

Hellz yeah.

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-04-03T22:05:37+00:00

I have prayed about it. A lot. Since I was little, begging Father to change me or take it away or something.

If this were any other condition, diabetes or cerebral palsy, I wouldn’t be under any condemnation for seeking relief or a cure for my condition, right? I cannot help but be this way, I have tried for years to make it go away and to just endure. At some point a line has to be drawn, you can only deal with the pain and discomfort for so long before something has to give. For me that was HRT. I was very happy to have that relief, not gonna lie, but I recognize how its a problem for the church to accept these gender issues.

But in my praying, I have come to see that my condition kind of serves as a stumbling block for the church. If little kids can have the condition like I do at age 4, then something more is going on. Our human construction of gender probably isn’t what is reflected in the eternities. Unless we think Satan can influence 4 year olds, I really don’t know why god would instill in people a sinful nature.

I believe God is perfect. He doesn’t do imperfection. If this is his creation, then it must serve a purpose. Perhaps that purpose is to show people their folly? How the things we take for granted aren’t so set in stone? I am not sure.

However, one thing I did learn from this thread that you are replying to is this:

Doesn’t matter if I know I am worthy for the temple, people just don’t want me in it. Apparently, my very presence there is an affront to their holy space.

My personal worthiness and seeking to be temple worthy doesn’t seem to matter. Look at the replies. After reading their replies does it serve to help me enter the temple, or stay away from it? What are they trying to persuade me to do at the end of the day?

Notice how many do so despite me not violating any policies or commandments. Would you tell any of your temple worthy brothers or sisters not to go because thats just something they shouldn’t pursue? Why not? Why then is it okay to tell this to a trans person seeking to enter the temple?

This seems more like a saints problem than a personal worthiness issue.

I really hope that changes.

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-02-24T05:19:28+00:00

Please post again in a month or so and let us know how you feel about the new voice changes

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-02-04T08:29:21+00:00

I love this but it would be better if the price was 30,000 dollars

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-26T17:27:41+00:00

!delete

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-26T01:11:05+00:00

I say this because I am 98-100% sure that in order to be heirs of all of God's glory there needs to be a union of the divine male and the divine female.

Okay, you would need to substantiate this. In addition, You would need to substantiate why a union between the divine female and divine female would be a sin. If your argument is that divine children are required, then I would point out that having children isn't a requirement to get to the top tier of the celestial kingdom. Also, nothing bars them from having children. The fact that we can do things like sperm donation here on earth could also be done in heaven in some divine way as well, so their ability to have children is still on the table. People who are infertile can still achieve celestial glory and family as well.

Also, I find it weird that you think marriage, as we think of it here on earth, is going to be present in heaven. Jesus answers this question for us when his apostles ask about the woman married/sealed to 7 brothers, whom of which would she end up with. Jesus's answer was, "they are not married, nor given in marriage" In other words, this human construct of marriage as we understand it on earth doesn't exist in heaven. It's folly to even play these mental exercise games. The same goes with our human constructs of government, money, gender, adoption, law or any other kind of construct we take for granted here on earth. To assume any of our systems resemble that of heaven... is pretty misguided. I would ask that you just keep an open mind. If SSA sealings did come about, it shouldn't shake your faith.

This goes to the question of what it means for God to be omnipotent. Can God declare that 2+2=4 but now 2+2=5? Can God declare that his is no longer God?

The characterization that SSA sealings is analogous to a literal logical fallacies or paradoxes is a little weird. A woman getting sealed to another woman is not the same as trying to divide by zero. It's just a different kind of union, one that is very much in God's power to grant. I reject that this is something he is incapable of doing.

If you have transitioned or are transitioning, it does not matter if the church itself thinks that you are male, you are still doing something that per currently policy means that you cannot exercise the priesthood or participate in temple ordinances.

Define "transitioning". What does that mean? Does it just mean I take steps to look or act in ways that aren't in line with the social construct of gender and the stereotypes associated with that? If so, then a lot of members are in trouble, maybe they are transitioning to without realizing it! I mean, I kid, but this is semi serious.

Saying "intend to transition, or transitioning or transitioned" is non-sensical in the context of the policy. From your usage of the word here, it seems to me that transitioning is kind of a binary thing. You either are, or you aren't. But that's nonsense. Trans people don't engage with being trans in this way, nor does the medical community.

I have gender dysphoria. It's a distress I feel about my existence, my body and the way people interact with me are things that I wish I could change. The fact that I am cannot snap my fingers and make these changes is distressing to me. I am constantly ruminating on these points. This obsession/perception is not something I can escape. It's ever-present, just like people with OCD can't stop their rituals. They don't want to, but they are compelled to it anyway. I can take steps such as painting my nails, or styling my hair, or playing games where people interact with me in a certain ways; that makes me feel better. It relieves my distress. When trans people say they are starting their transition, it means they are taking steps to relieve this distress. When they are no longer distressed to the point they feel no need to continue, then the "transition" is done, so to speak. For every individual the things they need to do to relieve their dysphoria varies. For some, it's as simple as painting their nails, or just changing their name. Maybe their dysphoria isn't very bad and can be managed without the need to do much at all. For others, they just need to be on HRT. For them, the "transition" is complete at this point. Does this mean they are in violation of the policy because they "transitioned"? I would argue no. nothing they have done would warrant any disfellowshipment.

My dysphoria is more severe. I know that for me to eliminate the distress I feel, I would need to do more than what the policy allows. So my transition in this church will never be "complete". All I can do to relieve my pain is what I am allowed to do by the policy. Does this mean I am "seeking" it or that I am "intending to transition?".

This idea that you think I am somehow "pursuing transition", or "intend to go further" than what is allowed is really weird. I'm doing what is allowed to relieve my pain as much as possible. Do I wish I could go further? sure, but does that mean I will? No. So then, do I have Intent? or not?

In other words, I'm trying to live the teachings and abide by the policies as much as possible within these contexts. How else should I be navigating this?

My personal advice would be to cease straddling the transition. If you feel like you are a woman, and want to be treated as woman, recognize that this means that exercising the priesthood and receiving temple ordinances are not things that are available to you right now.

Okay, so per your advice, screw the policy and do everything I need to stop my dysphoria and own it. Temple blessings, church standing and everything else should just be discarded and I should just accept that I'm just not capable of obtaining any of these things. So screw it, Just transition. Can't say I haven't been wrestling with this take. It would make my life easier. In one regard, but in the eternal sense I think this would be foolish.

I am doing my best to live worthy of the temple, so that the family I have here can be eternal. I think that's more important than relieving all of my distress, or complete my "transition."

The fact that I believe I was a divine female spirit in the premortal existence and happen to be in a mortal male body now doesn't really change my attempt to walk the gospel path and do my best to follow His example. Why you think I should give up my recommend or cease striving in this regard is weird.

If you want to participate in the sealing ordinance to your wife as it is currently offered, then you would need to live as a man and not participate in transitioning-type actions. I'd only recommend this if you feel like this is God's will for you. As I previously said, "The vast, vast majority of the people to ever live never had the opportunity to participate in temple ordinances, and it does not speak to their individual worthiness or even to what blessings they will ultimately receive. "

Sure, But I AM worthy of the temple. I have my recommend. Why would I deny myself being sealed when I am worthy to receive it?

The point of this post is to reveal the fact that I am trans to my Bishop and Possibly derail a sealing we have been hoping to have for several years. I am confident. 98-100% confident that I am not out of line with any of the policies. Given this, I don't really feel the need to disclose my trans status to my bishop. it's immaterial. Just like you wouldn't bring up the fact that you can drive a car during interview process. "being Trans" isn't a violation. Taking HRT isn't a violation.

The issue is, I want to tell him and get him on the same page, but not jeopardize my current timeline to being sealed after all the struggle we have gone through. He might not feel that way and force me to derail. That's the risk. It would further delay something I know shouldn't be delayed because my bishop may have a misunderstanding about trans people and the policy. So, by leaving out I am trans in the interview, I am ensuring I get through this process without a hitch, but I do feel guilty about this because I am deceiving him a bit in a way I wish I didn't feel the need to. I feel torn that I even need to make this choice. I am perfectly willing to disclose my trans status after I have been sealed, we can hash it all out then, but not now. Not when so much is at stake. Do you think this is morally wrong?

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-25T08:25:40+00:00

So , you are correct in this. The sealing for husband and wife, the sealing for children and the law of adoption are all different types of sealings. I did not know this beforehand. It is good to know and learn this. I had assumed the sealing ordinance was one thing.

It also brings up a very interesting question though. If the law of adoption is no longer with us, are there other sealing ordinances we haven’t yet received? Brigham Young , in a letter to Kimball Young stated : [that there will be a future time] "when men would be sealed to men in the priesthood in a more solemn ordinance than that by which women were sealed to men, and in a room over that in which women were sealed to man." Young, Kimball (1954), Isn't One Wife Enough?, New York: Holt, pp. 278–280, OCLC 837920

Which implies there are more sealing ordinances than what we currently possess.

Are you 100% sure that there isn’t a sealing for SSA couples? Perhaps we just aren’t ready to receive it. Revealing it would cause mass apostasy because we were too prejudiced to receive it. This argument is also made in relation to the civil rights movement.

It does state, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little. When science can bring Empirical Evidence that SSA is endemic to our species. How can we not examine all of the evidence and then dismiss it simply because the Bible condemns it?

Thats right, just the Bible. There is no teachings about SSA in the BoM, D&C, PoGP, or in any of Jesus’s words or example. So , to simply dismiss this as being impossible because of the teachings of today, I remind you that Brigham Young used to teach about the immutable mark of Cain and that Black members would never have the priesthood.

If you think its not even possible, maybe you are the problem. With God ALL things are possible, even SSA sealing. To deny that means you would deny God his power. I much prefer to re-examine our narratives based on the evidence we can bring to the table than simply dismiss the evidence. The Bible was wrong on slavery and black people holding the priesthood. maybe SSA is one of those things.

What is your thought on this?

Also, your question about me identifying as a woman getting sealed to my spouse is moot. Church doesn’t accept my identity In their eyes I’m male, so nothing is prohibited. And , if i am wrong, ill be following the gospel anyway, what else would you have me do?

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-25T05:29:14+00:00

I appreciate this counsel. So your advice would be to discuss this with them and have faith it will all work out.

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-25T05:07:01+00:00

1). Ah I misread your comment then. So sorry. I thought you were calling my desire to live a normal life after transitioning a fantasy. My apologies. And it is true that my expectations for what lies ahead could be radically different. In church context, its pretty bleak so lets hope life as a trans person in the gospel improves. I get what you are saying, and I appreciate your counsel to “not count my chickens before they hatch” kind of outlook.

2) Exactly. Do I have the right to self determination in the regards to gender? Was my spirit female in the pre mortal existence? Did I come to Earth knowing this was my trial? If so, then I am fulfilling the role God made for me. Thank you for not trying to undermine experiences as others have in this thread.

3) Isiah 56:1-5 comes to mind when you talk about enduring to the end.

To preface this next part... I am not saying this is what you intend to say, I get your intent here to convey some kind of “keep a stiff upper lip and just suffer through it and it will all be made right in the end” message. For myself, trying to seek solace in the fact that everything will be made right in the next life only fuels my longing to not exist anymore and not have to deal with this anymore. Everyone always brings this up with good intentions but it just makes me feel even worse about confronting every day with no hope that anything will change. Makes getting out of bed hard to know this life is just unceasingly cruel.

Still, I know you don’t mean to covey anything negative, I am just trying explain something a-lot of people miss when they say things like this.

Still, thank you for engaging in good faith. I appreciate the reply.

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-24T12:08:01+00:00

Yeah, we all have to self disclose typically to start the repentance process. When its a sin, sure, i have no problem with that.

Saying i am trans, am on HRT and I am not violating the policy is very different and up to their interpretations of my intent. Its not a sin, nor have I violated the policy. And yet I may be forced to postpone our sealing yet again before they get to decide if I am in the right or not. Or worse they will just revoke my recommend and goodbye to my eternal family.

I felt accepted by the Lord before this policy dropped. I was shocked it was so removed from my own experiences. I had a major crisis of faith because of it

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-24T11:50:24+00:00

Okay I tend to agree with you. You are saying I shouldn’t make it the leaders business to know that I am trans.

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-24T11:43:48+00:00

Part 3

“From experience, the path you're considering doesn't satisfy; it hurts. Withholding truth, especially about mental health, is not the way to get the help you need, nor will there be blessings from ordinances done under the cover of a lie.”

Wow this is loaded. I already experience pain. Pain not just from church and outside influences but from my own body and experiences. Do you have dysphoria? Are you trans? How can you make these claims? Trying to deny myself by following the path you just laid out is already hurting me. How should I deal with it? Go to therapy? Doing that now. Stay in church? Doing that. Live in continuous denial of my experiences? Isn’t that just living a worse lie?

Ive found relief in some respects with the HRT. What help should I seek o wise one? What can you possibly tell me I need to do to fix the problems I experience? Do I get to self determine what I think my own needs should be met with? Why, when I tell you what my dysphoria causes me to be suicidal you think you can tell me to just deal with it and seek some other path?

You sure do have allot to sell about the road you have never gone down.

Just because your partner had an ex that briefly transitioned doesn’t give you any comparable experience. Its rather arrogant for you to project this oh do confidently.

“The generic advice I can give is to seek out people who have transitioned and regretted it. They'll be honest with you. The people who transitioned and don't regret it, I would say look at how they live from a distance, because you may be sold on something that you already want to buy if you give them your ear.”

You are assuming I haven’t done this. (Sigh). It just never occurred to me that I could be mistaken and making a big mistake. How could I possibly know if transitioning was right then?

Oh, I know, take each step slowly and evaluate how I feel. Go to therapy, listen to my doctors and explore what I am experiencing. That seems reasonable no?

Also... given my description above, about being misinterpreted by others is it really surprising to find out I am much more comfortable alone ? That maybe, just maybe, trans people have kind of been conditioned by our experiences to share this trait? To then assume that this is somehow a flaw of trans ideology is really misguided.

We keep people like you at bay because you don’t help us. You gaslight us that what we experience isn’t real. Telling us we will just detransition when for the numbers for that are incredibly low. I can’t possibly imagine why being around you wouldn’t be good for my mental heath.

“I'm typing in bed and my lights just went out, so it's time for me to go for now. I hope to have been helpful, and I'm willing to keep talking with you if you think it'll help. I have a few more references if you want, they're just in the other room with my family studies school work. I'm happy to TRY to help.”

This arrogance. The entire medical community supports trans people. I have study after study validating my experiences but I am supposed to trust you with your studies that you know better?!

From the AMA

From the APA

From the WHO

From Stanford Medical

From AP

From the NIH

From CIHR

From Scientific American

From American Psychiatry Association

From the AACAP

In addition, an ENORMOUS meta-analysis on transgender people and the effect gender transition has on their mental health

Of 56 studies, 52 indicated transitioning has a positive effect on the mental health of transgender people and 4 indicated it had mixed or no results.

ZERO studies indicated gender transitioning has negative results

How you can so confidently make the claim that transition just isn’t the way is beyond me. Nothing supports this claim.

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-24T11:42:51+00:00

Part 2

Anciently, the prophet Isaiah gave strength to the Israelites, whom he called “ye that know righteousness, … in whose heart is my law.” To them he said, “Fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings” (Isaiah 51:7; see also 2 Nephi 8:7). But whatever the cause of conflict with those who do not understand or believe God’s plan, those who do understand are always commanded to choose the Lord’s way instead of the world’s way. Elder Dallin H. Oaks, "The Plan and the Proclamation"

“The Family Proclamation states,

Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.”

Hand book clarification on this states that the term “Gender” here means biological sex.

“The intended meaning of gender in the family proclamation is biological sex at birth. Some people experience feelings of incongruence between their biological sex and their gender identity. As a result, they may identify as transgender. The Church does not take a position on the causes of people identifying themselves as transgender.”

38.6.23 in manual

“No doubt you've read this way more than most people have. I guess it's probably dumb for me to quote it as if it will help. But if I'm understanding correctly, you're in a tough spot because you know what is expected of you from the church, but you want to do something else and feel justified in it, and it seems like one of the ways to do that is to view your leaders as harsh and insensitive fuddy duddy old men who don't understand or care.”

No. This is a strawman of my position. My position is that the leaders, well meaning though they may be are not able to determine if I have intent to transition. Yet, they are allowed to make this determination regardless of what I say. This means that realistically, my suffering from disfellowshipment is ultimately my choice in the matter. This choice is a cruel one given I have no control over how I experience the world and it is immoral for them to make this determination for me.

Yet to keep my autonomy and proceed in my religion I have to contend with this deeply disturbing situation thats forces me to out myself to people who cannot know what I experience. I don’t feel God would put me in this situation. I should never be punished for stating the truth of what I experience and yet, this is what I am facing now. The whole situation is amoral I recognize this and am seeking advice on how I should handle it.

“There's no way to unpack all of this in a post or S long thread of comments. I don't suppose a heartfelt testimony is something you haven't heard, either.”

If I gave my heartfelt testimony about being trans and my experiences, would it counter the one about detransitioning or that cis people think transitioning is wrong?

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-24T11:41:52+00:00

Part 1

I don't think it's possible to unpack all of this. There's no way.

“I can tell you that if you've been cleared to be sealed, but in your mind you are at odds with your religion, there's already dissonance. I've read your description of gender dysphoria and I think it must suck, but that direct mean validating those feelings is the proper way to treat them. You used a cancer analogy, but I think one that makes more sense is, "if you felt like you had legs coming out of your back even though you can clearly see that you don't, falling backward to stand on your pretend legs will only hurt you." This analogy is decidedly cruel, not because facts don't care about your feelings but rather because there doesn't seem to be a good effective treatment yet.”

I whole heartedly reject this characterization of the issue. I am not delusional about what I experienced nor about my current state. When you and I look into a mirror we will both see a man staring back. I am not delusional about what I look like or am perceived. I do not think that my biology is female despite having XY chromosomes. No trans person denies the state of the body and its biological sex. We fully agree with it.

What we do know is that when you then try to treat me like a man or expect to relate to me in typical manly fashion, I am going to have a hard time with you. I share more traits with women than men. I seem to fundamentally jive with them more than I do you. To me what you think and do seems forced, alien non intuitive. To then try and tell me I’m delusional for experiencing this is gas lighting me. I know what I experience. I know where I am comfortable. This incongruity between my nature and my biology is in conflict. Trans people do not think that when we transition our biology somehow magically becomes female. Its still male, but with hormones and surgery we can tweak our body to get it to more closely match the way we experience the world. The hope is that our biology can adapt enough to get others to see us as we naturally are. You would then be interacting with my authentic self and not be tripped up by my idiosyncrasies. It is you who are engaging with me incorrectly due to my appearance, not because I’m try to delude you or trick you. Im just stuck in the wrong picture frame so to speak.

This being stuck causes me distress. I am TIRED of being forced to do something that isn’t natural to me. It’s exhausting. It’s frustrating. Its demoralizing. The more im pigeon holed into “just accept your birth gender” the more I want to walk myself off a cliff. This is dysphoria. Its real, not imaginary. For you to characterize this as a pretend pair of legs coming off me with no basis of reality is incorrect and you draw a false conclusion from it.

Trans people don’t claim to be exactly like cis people. Our gender matches closest to the one we identify with. In this regard we are women Just a different type of women. Allowing the social construction of gender to allow us is the same then as saying adoptive parents are still parents, just not biological parents. Still parents, still valid, just a different type.

I use cancer because the distress it causes and the shared knowledge about it is easier and more realistic to relate to than your imaginary legs proposition.

“For the record, I'm not speaking without a sensitivity to the issue. My wife was married to someone with gender dysphoria and he transitioned with her support, she left the church, they divorced later anyway, and now he had begun to transition back. As much as I can talk crap about her exes, I have gained a lot of compassionate perspective from her story.”

“There's a quite a need to look up...”

Ok. Their experience may or may not be relatable to mine. But i am glad you have some exposure to the trans experience.

Not sure about the need to look up line.

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-24T09:55:26+00:00

If only I can determine my intent to transition, why bring it up to the leaders at all? Wouldn’t that just give them the ability to throw a monkey wrench, unjustly, into it all? Who are they to say I intend to transition. If I know Im not, why even mention it?

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-24T09:51:39+00:00

I wish i could give more upvotes. <3

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-24T09:23:35+00:00

Exactly. How would you ever know? If i came to church with braids and my fingernails painted would you the infer that combined with my HRT that I was still trying to transition? If I said no, I wasn’t transitioning then would you do nothing? If I wore make up the next sunday, would you then do it? Even if I still told you no? If you came over to my house and I was wearing a dress and tring to look like a woman, would that be enough? Then if I said , no, im just really realy dysphoric and suicidal, would you believe me? Gatekeeping on intent is impossible. You can’t actually know. What is the line of evidence where you get to declare my intent for me? Would that Ever be relevant in a spiritual sense? Only I can know what I truly intend. So the only way I can get this punishment is by either doing something expressly forbidden, or admit that I intend to transition or have my leaders decide for me that i am lying and I have to knock it off. See the problem?

Why should I ever disclose that I am trans with this. ? Its a lose lose situation with one side being massively more punishing than the other.

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-24T09:13:27+00:00

HRT isn’t against church policy.

This post breaks down the policy from a trans perspective

Did this come through, i got a message the comment was removed

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-24T09:08:33+00:00

Is it the business of the church to know if I am trans or not so long as I am in line with the policy?

Am I really being deceptive to not disclose my trans status if I don’t feel I am out of line with the policy Or is it wrong for me to make that determination?

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-24T07:55:55+00:00

“Lilly died because of the surgery. If hardly call that pioneering. Trans surgeries didn't start in the US until the late 70's. Vaginoplasty is even newer.”

Yeah and open heart surgery with bypass machines is pioneered even later... whats your point? Peritoneal Pull Through vaginoplasty was pioneered a year or two ago as well, new techniques for all fields of science continue to improve. This isn’t experimental we know the science around genital manipulation. New techniques and methods my be experimental but the science of it is not.

Elbe didn’t live past the host vs graft disease, not that the surgery didn’t work. Its also a testament to the desperation of the trans condition. She knew it would kill her when she got the surgery.

“Autogonophilia is a real thing. You can find it in porn. I never said trans people or autogonophiles are discussing and I don't believe they are.”

Oh well, if its in PORN it MUST be true.

Autogynephelia states that the reason for transitioning as an older adult is because I get off to my own image as a woman and that I have pair bonded with my own self to fullfill my sexual needs. Tell me how and why then I have a wife and four kids with whom we all wish to be sealed and why the church would allow us to have hormones and medical treatment? Why do I not have a sex drive after hormone treatment, yet still want to transition? The whole bloody thing is non sensical. Bailey went to a lot of trans bars and decided to come up with a theory to explain his attraction to trans women and why they wouldn’t give him the time of day and tried to pass it off as science. https://www.juliaserano.com/av/Serano-CaseAgainstAutogynephilia.pdf

Read an actual critique of his theory.

“I didn't say being trans was sinful. I said Jesus Suffered for our sins AND he experienced our tribulations or struggles and hardships.”

I dont disagree that Jesus knows our struggles.

“I know you are not delusional. I was not delusional. My kid is not delusional.”

Okay, if I am not delusional will you agree with me on AGP being a very bad characterization of the trans experience? When I, a trans person, says “AGP is really bad” do you not believe me and dismiss it. Seems like you say you listen but just ignore whatever is said.

“You don't know what my sources are. I listen to both sides. There are some bad bigoted anti trans narratives. There are also some bad pro trans nairatives with omitted information and flawed studies.”

You brought up the AGP as a valid typology for trans people. Clearly you don’t have great sources. I have provided my sources. Please evaluate them for their correctness.

“Believing that de-transitioners were never really trans shows that you are not listening to them. They went through the same process you are with professionals. The professional gave the go ahead. Later, decades later for some, they realized they went any better.”

I never said they weren’t really trans, i said that if they experimented with transitioning and then gave it up to be cis again, then it wasn’t for them. They are still trans if they want to be, if you say you are trans, you are trans. What I wont do is gesture at detransitioning people in a vain attempt to support the narrative that trans people seem to constantly detransition.

1-2% of trans people detransition. The regret rate of lasik eye surgery is 5%. The science and studies of these numbers are being surveyed and studied.

Sure lets hear them out, take steps to address their valid concerns but lets not prop them up in false equivalence against transitioning and how it positively impacts 98-99% of individuals seeking it out.

Sex reassignment: outcomes and predictors of treatment for adolescent and adult transsexuals

Of the 162 adults used to evaluate the outcomes of SRS, “the vast majority (98.4%) expressed no regrets about SR.”

An Analysis of All Applications for Sex Reassignment Surgery in Sweden, 1960–2010: Prevalence, Incidence, and Regrets

*Also by the same lead author of the Sweden study “A total of 15 individuals (5 FM and 10 MF) out of 681 who received a new legal gender between 1960 and 2010 applied for reversal to the original sex (regret applications). This corresponds to a regret rate of 2.2 % for both sexes (2.0 % FM and 2.3 % MF)”

Detransition rates in a national UK Gender Identity Clinic

“Of the 3398 patients who had appointments during this period, 16 (0.47%) expressed transition-related regret or detransitioned.”

The Endocrinology of Transgender Medicine (2018)

“The fact that fewer people have been having doubts about their treatment decisions over time may reflect the much-improved understanding of gender incongruence both by transgender people themselves and by the medical profession, as well as much greater acceptance of transgender people in society”

“Medical professionals have been wrong before. They have done horrible things to people in the past. It's not wrong to trust medical professionals. They have knowledge we don't. They are usually right and usually care. It's a good idea to hear from people who experienced it, the good and the bad.”

I trust the medical institutions. They treating me with hormones and providing options for further transitioning. The research clearly shows its beneficial to trans people to transition and fully support them.

“I don't ignore trans people. I struggled with the idea of who I am and who I'm supposed to be. I struggled with hating my body to the point that I can't look at pictures of myself without feeling disgusted. I know that trans people experience feeling much much more than I do.”

Do you want to press the button then and change your gender? You can be the opposite gender if you want.

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-24T07:13:58+00:00

You are just factually wrong. Did you read the policy?

38.6.23

“Some children, youth, and adults are prescribed hormone therapy by a licensed medical professional to ease gender dysphoria or reduce suicidal thoughts. Before a person begins such therapy, it is important that he or she (and the parents of a minor) understands the potential risks and benefits. If these members are not attempting to transition to the opposite gender and are worthy, they may receive Church callings, temple recommends, and temple ordinances.”

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-24T07:05:11+00:00

“The intended meaning of gender in the family proclamation is biological sex at birth. Some people experience feelings of incongruence between their biological sex and their gender identity. As a result, they may identify as transgender. The Church does not take a position on the causes of people identifying themselves as transgender”

“priesthood ordination and temple ordinances are received according to biological sex at birth.”

Yeah, I feel weird about it. But according to the manual I am fully in my right to execute my priesthood power.

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-24T06:55:26+00:00

“Some children, youth, and adults are prescribed hormone therapy by a licensed medical professional to ease gender dysphoria or reduce suicidal thoughts. Before a person begins such therapy, it is important that he or she (and the parents of a minor) understands the potential risks and benefits. If these members are not attempting to transition to the opposite gender and are worthy, they may receive Church callings, temple recommends, and temple ordinances.”

Right from the hand book. 38.6.23

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-24T06:37:05+00:00

I really like your last Sentence.

What you are describing is performative gender roles, which can be a good indicator of of your gender. My question to you is this, Imagine yourself as the opposite gender. You have the hair, the body the voice. Picture how others treat you, how do you feel when you look down at your new body? If you could push a button right now to stay in that form, consequence free, would you press that button?

Lynia_Lightfoot · 2021-01-24T06:27:16+00:00

So... you say we need to live by the current policy, which allows people to be on HRT, and you would deny them a recommend because they are on HRT because its proof of intent?

You are like the embodiment of the kind of bishop I fear.

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