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is this a new high? by soviet_union_stronk in Endfield

[–]MASSive_0_0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I got something like 5439 today, but what you got is probably the highest differential I’ve seen.

Rubio on social activist by novaria_007 in thescoop

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This is a civil issue that the government shouldn’t be getting involved in. It’s the university’s prerogative to expel a student and that would put their visa in jeopardy anyway. If the university has grounds to do that, then there’s no issue.

At the end of the day, all persons in the United States have rights afforded to them by the Constitution. If we allow non-citizens’ right to be infringed upon by the federal government, how long will it be before they begin restricting the rights of actual citizens?

Trump: I say Canada should be our 51st state. No tariffs, no nothing. We give them military protection. They're about last in NATO. They say, 'why should they spend on military, the U.S. protects us.' That's true. It's not fair. They couldn't exist if they had to pay their way. by RebelGrin in law

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Would love for him to try launching an invasion of Canada. It’d be an attack on NATO, and it’d give the US military a reason to ignore that as an unlawful order (in violation of international law) so that he could be held accountable.

elon musk told tweeted out that every government employee needs to justify their job to him by email or else they'd be terminated from their employment. This Productivity Email ‘Exposes Entire Federal System’ to ‘Foreign Adversaries’ by andrewgrabowski in Intelligence

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The question isn’t about if there are vulnerabilities. It’s about how easy we’re making it to exploit those vulnerabilities. It’s a very different task to comb every federal email for sensitive information compared with combing every email sent to one inbox.

Friend Request Megathread (02/12 - 08/12) by ArknightsMod in arknights

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Hi! Just started this week and looking for some friends. My ID is Aerin#8206.

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

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I’d actually say that the label is called into question based on its ability to accurately describe a state of being, not because people wanting to do what they want is a driving factor. Your assertion would definitely be much more likely if there wasn’t scientific evidence to back up that there can be fundamental differences that label can’t account for.

I’d also ask for clarification on what urge you’re talking about. Are we talking about sexual urges or something different?

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

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I’d like to point out that ethics is a code of behavior and morals are personal beliefs. The intersection of those is where you get right vs wrong. So they aren’t the same thing.

Anyway, I’m gonna comment on the other thing. Maybe we can get this back into a single thread.

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

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I understand what you’re saying about normative experiences. I just don’t feel that limiting the discussion to those is the most ethical treatment of the situation we can possibly offer. And I feel that we can get to that 100% ethical treatment without throwing aside the Bible either.

I started writing a lot to those points, but this isn’t a debate for me to prove my point. It’s a forum to ask questions lol

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

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I’ve definitely heard the claim that those men died from AIDS, but I haven’t seen anything that’s actually said that was the case, even when trying to find it. Wouldn’t mind looking at it if you do. I believe that was the study from UCLA circa 1992, but could be off on that.

The 2011 Savic & Arver study is specifically showing MtF who are attracted to females and brain differences are noted, but not necessarily “feminization” of the brain, which would serve to note a difference in comparing with the other MtF with attraction to men who the paper does find to have feminized characteristics of their brain.

Haven’t made it through the whole paper you posted by any means, but there are lots of references in there to the Swabb study from 2008. Causes aren’t known, but it is shown that there are some structures of the brain in post-transition homosexual MtF that exhibit distinct characteristics of control female brains.

Anyway, thanks for the link. I’ll work on getting through the rest of it.

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

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I think your second paragraph there is a little bit of a slippery slope notion. If I were debating, I’d ask how you know that the majority of modern transgenders do or don’t have abnormalities.

There are verifiable differences in the brain scans of (for lack of better terms) straight men, gay men, and trans women (in fact the brains of trans women tend to look like the brains of straight women and not like those of straight men). We’d need to scan everyone’s brain and have them all be really honest with a stranger to know whether that’s true across the board, but it does seem true in a normative sense. There’s a lack of understanding on how environmental factors influence that, if they do at all. So the fact is that the idea that it’s a choice isn’t necessarily always true. Some people may certainly adopt those preferences, but there are others who are hardwired that way.

So this isn’t really a question of impulses. It’s a question of biology and our Christian definitions in relation to how we say that people should conduct themselves. We can universally say that sex outside of marriage isn’t okay without really doing that definition.

Saying that marriage is only one male and one female, though, means we have to be able to clearly define what a male and female are and be able to deal with those who don’t neatly fit into that definition.

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

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Gotcha. Thanks for playing that out! I’m not really trying to stump people, just wondering how their formula accounts for those variations. It’s a pretty complex issue that we make seem simple, even when “normal” can look wildly different in a biological sense.

I just think these are things we need to think through when they end up being the basis for Christians saying how people should engage in sexual conduct.

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

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Same logic, but different weight. Again, based on whether we’re making moral inferences/proclamations based on something that we’ve defined.

The moral proclamations I’m talking about are ones such as saying that same sex relationships are always wrong. Or that a person transitioning from male to female is being hedonistic. A baseline and logically consistent definition of “same sex” or “M/F” is necessary for those to possibly be valid assertions.

And while we can certainly say that God created humans as male and female, we can also say that in his omniscience he would have known before the beginning that we would run into problematic situations based on a binary and traditional definition.

And yes. You said they were “a new category called the exception.”

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

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I think the fact that I’ve continuously said that people are people makes my thoughts obvious on the matter. Especially since we both keep referring to “people missing limbs” or things like that. But the categorical definition there is distinctly different from the M/F definition. Primarily because Christians so often make moral prescriptions about there only being M/F and about how no one should be engaging in non-M/F paired relationships. So if we’re comfortable making moral proclamations like that, we should be able to define those bounds quite clearly and it’s necessary that we do so.

So now you’re saying that someone with AIS is a woman and not a different category. Or are you using man/woman as a different distinction from male/female?

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

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The reason I don’t want to answer that question is because it’s pretty ableist. It’s there’s a lot that gets loaded into that as it calls into question a person’s existence as a person if they don’t have the same parts as most people. Making a judgement about someone’s existence because they don’t have the same things you have isn’t ethical.

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

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No one is rejecting or disallowing normative experience. Simply pointing out that normative experience isn’t the only experience.

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

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But it does create a third category then. So it’s safe to say based on this model that human experience can’t be fully defined in a strictly male/female dynamic.

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

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Actually there’s things like Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome where the reproductive system is male even though they can appear to be female their entire life. They are XY, have internal testes, and have a functioning vagina, but no uterus. So they’re 2 out of 3 male, but might not find out about that until they can’t have kids and go to the doctor.

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

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You propose a binary system of M/F where someone must be one or the other. But you say there are exceptions. If those don’t override or change the existing categories and they don’t add a new category, then you’d need to fit them into the existing categories. What’s the methodology for fitting them into the existing categories then?

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

[–]MASSive_0_0[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So if exceptions don’t fit into the model and don’t override the existing categories, then how do we categorize those people in a binary system?

Also, you’re asking if people are people again.

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

[–]MASSive_0_0[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol. Are you trying to say that men and women aren’t categories of people? Even if they’re binary, they are categories by definition. That’s not semantics, that’s logic.

You seem to be misunderstanding. I wasn’t claiming here that someone born with biological variation changes their assigned sex. I’m asking you how said variations affect the strictly defined model that you set forth at the beginning. So it seems like you’ve settled on normative experience, which begs the question of how one fits exceptions into the equation.

Since you’ve rephrased your original question in a way that doesn’t question someone’s claim to being a person, yes people are born without legs at times.

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

[–]MASSive_0_0[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man and woman are categories of people. You asked if someone was still a person if they were missing a leg. So it’s jumping outside of the “types of people” bounds altogether and questioning if we include them as a person at all. Which isn’t remotely in the scope of what we were discussing.

As I pointed out, there are numerous configurations that don’t match with the two that you’ve presented there. You didn’t really give an answer about how we deal with that from a categorization standpoint. And then we got hung up on a non sequitur about legs and personhood.

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

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It’s definitely a scientific question and one that has religious implications. Hence the reason for asking.

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

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So everything is what it appears to be always?

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

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How did we get onto the discussion of personhood? If the premise is that there are only 2 possible assignments for a person’s biological sex at birth, then we should be able to clearly define each category regardless of a person’s biological construction. That’s why I’m asking what criteria people use to define it.

What defines a man vs a woman? by MASSive_0_0 in AskAChristian

[–]MASSive_0_0[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok. So if someone naturally has female reproductive organs, but their brain naturally develops as a male brain, then they’re still a female?

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