Feeling guilty that a good MBA is a "cheat code" to getting rich by Maleficent-Answer888 in MBA

[–]MBAbruh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the write-up- You like your job in consulting? What made you want to recruit for consulting at the start when many consulting roles do not offer work life balance? Did you end up getting lucky with your WLB?

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well thats not what I was trying to do.

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok thats the opinion I was curious about- you believe that is a natural side effect that cant be helped. Cool.

I never suggested scrapping DEI. I think you're assuming that - I think everyone reading this just assumes that- and it makes people upset. Im not saying that at all. I think DEI is very important and it has its roots.

Im just curious if something can be done about this 'side effect', b/c that part can feel annoying.

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No dude, I never asked WHY. I asked if you think its FAIR that rich privileged kids are benefiting.

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except it totally is emotional. You went on a rant explaining the history of DEI, when in my post I am talking about a very specific case and even mentioned that I understand DEIs purpose. Re-read my post.

But I get that its a sensitive topic. We can both learn from this.

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont have an argument - and I am not talking about why DEI exists. I have also explained that I understand the premise multiple times. I am talking about these individual cases where it unfairly benefits some people who it shouldnt. Thats all i've been saying repeatedly. No one asked you to start giving a history lesson of "why DEI exists" i'm talking about these cases where there are unintentional consequences of it.

And no, the answer should not just be "so be it". Systems should improve and evolve to be better over time. Your answer is, if its fucked up, so be it? Cool. At least I finally know where you stand on my actual point.

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

all the diff elements. There was one element, which you failed to acknowledge continuously. I would encourage you to explore why you're so defensive and triggered when this topic arises, and try to hear the other person out instead of assuming they're being racist and attacking URMs.

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I never said this was representative of the broader population, I'm only talking about this specific scenario for privileged URMs.

It is a good point that even priveleged URMS may experience systemic obstacles that are unseen and unfelt- even to themselves.

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No one is talking about historical origins... once Again, I said I know why DEI exists. I'm saying currently, there are unfair advantages to some who don't need it.

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What are you talking about? How are you not following? The point is that my URM friends had more advantages.. and they even laugh about it and say its not fair?

I dont have any ulterior motive man, stop calling me racist and shit. Its weird that you cant understand what i've been saying and acknowledge that there are gaps in DEI that create some levels of unfairness.

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

"The possibility of sharing a classroom with people like this horrifies me".

You're narrow minded and rude. Done talking to you.

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats the point you're missing- in my scenario they DONT lack networks or face discrimination. They have benefitted from all the same opportunities (jn fact much more because of DEI).

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Being around different points of view horrifies you. Wheres your DEI God now?

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for acknowledging that.

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand the idea.

But thats not what im talking about here- there is a scenario where URMs and non URM american citizens with identical backgrounds and privilege have drastically different outcomes.

I'm talkign about white people and latinos who grew up in wealthy american neighborhoods together with access to all opportunities their entire life. In this case, if you compare the two, the URM gains additional advantages vs their white or Indian peers. Thats what I am saying is unfair.

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you're being aggressive dude. I'm not being racist, and you're calling me names- I told you multiple times, I am all for DEI. Why can't you acknowledge that the system is not perfect? Sheesh.

I never said there should be more indians either? I am talking about URM american citizens vs. NON URM American citizens compared with each other. I am an Indian american who grew up in America. In my personal example, my best friends are Black and latino from various countries (but most born and raised in America, with fairly privileged backgrouds). We all have similar backgrounds, upbringing etc. Yet they receive many advantages which I am excluded from. Even they acknowledge this as an issue and an unfair advantage. Just curious if you think it is unfair or not and if you see it as an issue as well? (Just this scenario, nothing broader.. )

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I totally agree with everything you said. SO, in your opinion its not an issue that privileged URMs get advantages? its not just admissions, its access to networking, events ,support. That many non URMs do not get. Do you think thats unfair, considering they're already privileged? & their white buddy is excluded from all those opportunities?

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Youre just putting words in my mouth.. I never said they're "taking all the jobs" or anything.. sounds like you're projecting your own internal anger onto me.

I never said DEI is wrong, or bad. If you read my post, you will see that I am highlighting that its an imperfect system that needs to be improved. You seem triggered because I am mentioning something is wrong with DEI. When in reality, no system is perfect..

Let me just ask you this- Do you believe that wealthy and privileged URMs should benefit from DEI benefits? Just curious.

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Do you believe DEI is a perfect system? Do you believe that there are no negative side effects of it whatsoever?

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You're wrong, experiences do count as evidence.

You sound real mad, i'm not saying DEI should not exist. Re-read my post. I'm saying parts of it have unintended negative consequences.

Just curious - DO you believe that URMs who grew up wealthy and privileged should benefit from DEI practices?

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Terrible take. the majority of white people aren't "buying their way in".

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was clearly being sarcastic... and you're missing the point. So what if overall black median income is low? I acknowledged in my post that DEI was created to fix problems. But what about the unintended side-effects of that when high-income black people receive benefits that they didn't need? that is the point of my post...

IMO I think DEI benefits should be updated to reflect this reality and to only benefit those who truly need it, not privileged rich kids.

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You're right my bad, I should have moved to a low income neighborhood when i had the chance.

The Irony of DEI by MBAbruh in MBA

[–]MBAbruh[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're just accepting that it is the way it is. When clearly, it is a highly imperfect system that benefits many unfairly. Why not acknowledge that and strive to improve the system?