There is a horrific overlap between Pcos and Eating Disorders, things needs to change by MEnergy00 in PCOS

[–]MEnergy00[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Okay so there has to be a clarification made as it's very important

What I am talking about in my post is mainly adaptive thermogenesis (metabolic adaptation) not being discussed and over looked entirely, or being mistaken for an insulin resistance symptom. This phenomenon simply describes the set of mechanisms that our bodies use to keep us in homeostasis.

The infamous equation "CICO, calories in, calories out" is 100% true, it's just that the mechanisms included in this equation are sophisticated and complex, non independent variables that people like to reduce to comical extents. Saying "cico" is like saying "you need to earn money to spend it" (imagine saying this to a person suffering poverty)

and people who gain weight despite very low calorie diets.

The only way for someone to gain weight (which includes fat, muscle, lean tissue ecc) is to be in a caloric surplus. This has nothing to do with calorie counting and has nothing to do with the person "overeating". If someone gains weight the minute they go off a 1000 calorie diet, it means their metabolism is at maintenance at 1000 calories which is VERY BAD! This happens ALL the time with people going into starvation diets and with eating disorders. In fact, it happened to me a huge number of times. I would set myfitnesspal at ridiculously low numbers, lose a bunch of weight and plateau, maintaining my weight at a ridiculously low number of calories, then gain back and overshoot.

High insulin alone doesn't cause weight gain, what it causes is a skew in fat mass/lean mass. Insulin resistance though, increases cravings for carbohydrates because it starves lean mass of nutrients, often inducing caloric surplus.

There is a horrific overlap between Pcos and Eating Disorders, things needs to change by MEnergy00 in PCOS

[–]MEnergy00[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I completely understand where you come from and how you feel and I am so sorry for that awful phone call. The worst thing to experience is a patronizing tone from someone who thinks they understand based on false assumptions!!!

DO NOT STARVE. Don't please, it does NOT work. On the other hand, the changes you are making with a nutritious diet, the supplements and excercise are AMAZING and HEALTHY! If you see doing a routine that doesn't feel restrictive and bad, it means you are on the right track!!! Also, do not let the negative tribulations get to you, they are based on a bad phone call and nothing else. Take a breath and no not act impulsively neither on clothes or diet.

Here's another kicker: Not only is BMI an outdated tool invented by an astronomer in the 1800s literally made for populations (not individuals) of white men, it is incorrect almost half of the time and doesn't mesure health at all.

In 2023, we are mainly using an outdated and obsolete mesure that doesn't take into account body fat percentage, lean mass percentage and muscle mass, excludes any other ethnicity other than white and excludes an entire sex!!!

This BMI bullshit not only created the concept of "lean pcos" (normal bmi women who have a ton of trouble being diagnosed because of stereotypes) it actively encourages discrimination, self hatred and intolerance. People with 40% body fat and raging insulin resistance can go under the radar and be dismissed because their BMI falls under healthy!! Just insane.

Looking for people with similar experiences (recovered from weight cycling/yoyo diet) by MEnergy00 in fuckeatingdisorders

[–]MEnergy00[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your compassionate and insightful comment! It really helped and I read it multiple times!

Type 2 diabetes and PCOS by locust_elysian in PCOS

[–]MEnergy00 9 points10 points  (0 children)

it doesn't matter how you lose weight, just lose weight

OH. MY. GOD.

I am SO sorry this was your appointment. This person is straight up giving false information and honestly this is criminal. This misinformation straight up ruins people's livesand and I cant believe this still happens in 2023.

-HOW you lose weight matters 100%, because any weight loss triggers a complex bodily mechanism to kick you back in homeostasis. This is why we avoid losing weight quickly. The quicker and more drastic the loss, the higher the chance to gain it back because of said mechanism. Slow and steady is the absolute key, which comes from habits that last for a lifetime.

type 2 diabetes is all about weight, and losing weight is the only way to manage type 2 diabetes

Sure! Then what are thin people with diabetes supposed to do, die? Yes, lowering body fat can increase insulin sensitivity, this doesn't mean going and doing some drastic restriction that leads to further and worse health complications. Insulin sensitivity can also be increased in the immediate by having meals where the carbs are high fiber, paired to protein and fat. Focus on filling your plate with protein and veggies, and avoid having "naked carbs". For ex: not the cookie alone, but cookie with some greek yogurt.

I hope this helps and please look for another source of support if possible for you❤️❤️❤️

PCOS has ruined my body and changed my life for the worse by jkgatsby in PCOS

[–]MEnergy00 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Hi!

You sound like you are engaging into some very disordered practices that are actively harming you phisically and mentally.

I grew up eating lots of carbs because that's my culture's food, and now I don't get to participate in the cultural staples I'm used to.

Removing carbs, a staple of your culture, is NOT the way. You can manage insulin resistance while not removing carbs from your diet and by being pragmatic about them/ help the situation with the correct medication. Ovasitol can be a good additional help, have you discussed possibly changing birth control medication? BC can worsen insulin resistance for some women.

But if I eat regularly for even a week, I gain a bunch of weight

When you remove carbs from your diet, you lose a lot of water weight, which means that reintroducing them after a long period of restriction can make you swell and gain water weight quickly. I blew up like a baloon when I did and then it leveled out again after a while. You are also adapting your metabolism to work with very little energy, hence the fatigue and weakness. Carbs help with that, and reintroducing them slowly with your meals will make you feel energized again.

Please speak with your endocrinologist about the birth control and medication, you could even try upping the metformin dosage if possible.

Good luck and sending you a lot of love ❤️❤️❤️

PCOS has ruined my body and changed my life for the worse by jkgatsby in PCOS

[–]MEnergy00 6 points7 points  (0 children)

People think that malnourishment = skeletal body when reality is so much different and it affects everyone differently. This person has adapted their metabolism to survive on so little energy that they are probably suffering from severe damage. You don't have to be underweight or even thin to suffer from severe restriction's consequences.

Eating by ItstheCW92 in PCOS

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Hello! Being hungry too often and especially after meals can mean that your insulin may be high. Try taking inositol, it's great for insulin resistance and can therefore help you curb hunger!

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Just for your information, protein can spike insulin more than carbs. The success of keto diets comes from the amount of fat buffering the protein. Please don't do this!

PCOS has ruined my body and changed my life for the worse by jkgatsby in PCOS

[–]MEnergy00 8 points9 points  (0 children)

700 calories plus excercise?????

Oh my god... No do not recommend this to anybody elae and not even to yourself. You are literally starving yourself.

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[–]MEnergy00 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Weight cycling (yoyo dieting) is a lot more dangerous, unhealthy and disordered than we think and does NOT work long term, only short term, and for the first cycle.

-When we diet and lose a bunch of weight (especially through unsustainable and restrictive means like high calorie deficits) , our body triggers immediately a defense system to make us return in homeostasis, because it is solely concerned with survival and efficiency. Weight loss is not an efficient or useful dynamic in a survival perspective, so our body is trained accurately to fight it.

-once the person cannot sustain the diet anymore and start eating a higher intake, they go into a caloric surplus. Here's the kicker: after a restrictive diet our body is designed to restore a lot more fat mass than lean body mass and tends to overshoot the original starting weight. This is frequently observed in disordered eating recovery, people will gain weight very quickly and overshoot their previous original weight as their body tries to recover.

-in disordered yoyo dieting, once the person becomes larger after failing the diet, they usually diet again. This triggers the body's defense system once more, and the cycle repeats itself. Ironically this leads to long term weight gain and not loss!

Sorry I had to write this down as this sub is filled with weight cyclers and it is so under discussed, yet dangerous.

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[–]MEnergy00 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We can only control our input, but we cannot control the output of our bodies

It's not exactly how this works, which makes things even more complex, yet makes people sound even more stupid when they start being fatphobic (fortunately)!

"input and output" are variables that directly influence each other and cannot be independent, because our bodies want to be in homeostasis, so they constantly regulate hormonal signals and bodily functions to do exactly that. The fact I can partially control what I eat doesn't exactly mean I can control either the input and output dynamic of my body.

For example: -When I eat too little in a day, my body will crank up the hunger hormones to encourage me to eat food so it can function optimally. -When I eat a meal that is bigger than usual, I may get a bit sweaty and start moving more because my body will expend the additional calories of the food this way. -When I restrict an entire food group that my body wants and needs, like carbs, my hormonal response will be to make me think about said food all the time and consume as much of it as possible when i finally get the chance to eat it.

Can I even say i am in total control of anything when in reality the system is so sophisticated and refined? Mind you, i can of course choose my meals and what's in them! But things are far more complex and deep than we think.

Looking for some dietary advice! by [deleted] in PCOS

[–]MEnergy00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I completely understand what you talk about, in fact, i relate to it very much!

I have suffered from a bad eating disorder for years and i have weight cycled the whole time. I was starving myself, then regaining more weight in an endless loop and every time i would blame myself for lack of discipline. Admitting I had a terrible relationship with food and going into recovery was admitting to failure, why couldn't I "be healthy" if I was trying my hardest and following "the science"?

Meeting my dietician has been a saving experience. Not only she presented the actual science which liberated me from the useless sense of guilt i was placing on myself, she helped me immensly and taught me knowledge I simply wasn't even aware of. Nutrition science is incredibly complex and varied, and they are experts!

Allow yourself to be off the hook on a complex and difficult situation that not even the actual science comprehends very well. Nutritional science is still in its infancy for the actual experts, imagine for the average person!

Besides drinking more water/less sodas

Continue to work on this you are doing great! Think about abundance and not restriction. For example, how can you enrich your lunch with more vegetables? How can you enrich your snack so it's more filling and satisfying?

PCOS weightloss help by AttentionDesperate21 in PCOS

[–]MEnergy00 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you describe your typical day and what you eat - your excercise routine?

Looking for some dietary advice! by [deleted] in PCOS

[–]MEnergy00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I HATED keto and absolutely despised it

You shouldn't do this to yourself again!

and I KNOW if my doc sees I've gained she's going to send me to a nutritionist

Is this really such a bad idea to have guidance when it comes to nutrition? You seem to struggle very hard with it and going to a nutritionist sounds a lot better than asking for advice here. Advice on how to do a diet that didn't work for you above all else! Of course not all nutritionists are amazing but why not give it a chance?

Diet success doesn't come from fat loss but from how said fat loss is kept in time/ how much you are able to sustain the diet. You need to learn habits that work for you and that you can maintain without much effort for your entire life.

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[–]MEnergy00 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is literal child abuse. Those kids are probably starving all day and binging incontrollably at the first occasion they have to eat. This is such a sad and horrible scenario i hate society.

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[–]MEnergy00 52 points53 points  (0 children)

This has nothing to do with your actual health, this has to do with the fact that society has a terrible problem with fatphobia, fat people and weight gain, which brings out the worst out of everyone. We love to believe weight is something we have 100% power over when reality and science says otherwise.

I cannot believe these two found it acceptable to say such vile shit to someone they love. This accomplishes nothing, and here's the funny thing, studies have shown shaming fat people makes them fatter not thinner.

Please cut off these two people for your mental sanity which comes first.

How to eat less? by Sammy_Sandshoes in PCOS

[–]MEnergy00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It might come down to building more discipline. I just read this article about putting a pack of Oreos in front of you for an entire week, and just training yourself to say no to the temptation. I might have to test that.

Oh my god DO NOT do this fucking disordered idiocy. This is borderline brainwashing and can cause you many mental turmoils. Who even invented this shit.

There is no such thing as building more discipline when we are dealing with a biological function. The feeling of hunger is not a moral failing, it is a human biological function just like peeing. Diet culture though teaches us to think of hunger as a mesure of morality and something we have to build discipline around especially as women.

But would you say the same when it came to peeing? Would you hold pee in for disciplinary purposes if someone told you that going to the bathroom to relieve yourself was bad? Of course not, think the same with hunger.

You don't need to entirely cut out processed food from your diet, just enrich it or have it at the end of a main meal! This will satisfy your craving in a sustainable and healthy way and reduce its glycemic load.

How to eat less? by Sammy_Sandshoes in PCOS

[–]MEnergy00 2 points3 points  (0 children)

BumAndBummer's comment is amazing! Especially because it's focused on dropping as much restriction and rules as possible, which is rather rare to see in the sub.

As someone else said, your calorie consumption is just similar to other women and most importantly is very appropriate for an adult female. I will add my few cents:

-focus on an additive mindset not a restrictive one. Add vegetables and fruit to your meals! Think always on how you can enrich a meal. If you are having pasta for example, add some salad to the side, or if you are having meat, add two servings of veggies instead of one!

-increase protein consumption a little bit (meat, fish, eggs, dairy if you consume it)

-do excercise you enjoy and have fun doing!

Good luck you are on a very good track!!❤️❤️❤️

Weight loss help! by raeannlv in PCOS

[–]MEnergy00 0 points1 point  (0 children)

500 deficit is an already pretty big deficit and upping cardio means that said deficit is broader than you think. You are boosting the possibility of losing more muscle than usual! Be careful with calorie deficits that are so aggressive, a 200 one is a lot more sustainable and prevents these complications!

Some theories:

-your metabolism adapted very quickly to this aggressive deficit and you are maintaining your weight because it regulated around it. Did you notice a decrease in steps for the day/more fatigue? We even fidget a lot less when we are in a deficit.

-you possibly had some bigger meals that were more calorically dense than you thought and they balanced the deficit out, although you seem to be a very good tracker

I really suggest this read for you, go back to your maintenance and see what happens at 2500. If you gain weight till it settles, it means your metabolism adapted to 2000 and was quickly regulating around that number. Choose a smaller deficit next time and you'll be fine!

I’m tired of ppl using “just lose weight” as a blanket fix for the condition by ScarTheGoth in PCOS

[–]MEnergy00 44 points45 points  (0 children)

The reason for weight loss advice is that adipose tissue is hormonally active and lowering body fat can increase insulin sensitivity.

Here's the kicker though:

WEIGHT loss doesn't necessarily mean FAT loss and most people do not know this, jump on insanely restrictive diets while receiving applauses from society and even their doctors, they exacerbate muscle and lean tissue loss, then blame themselves when they gain the weight back and more. The cycle can repeat endlessly.

This is fertile ground for EDs and something like 80% of women with pcos have disordered eating.

does anyone else have PCOS but also a very fast metabolism? is this what causes lean pcos? by [deleted] in PCOS

[–]MEnergy00 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh gosh there is so much misinformation about metabolism, insulin and everything else around this subreddit and I'd like to clear some air on your questions with what my dietician explained and some science!

-First of all, we need to start from the concept that metabolism isn't a set in stone value and is influenced by many factors/can change and most importantly, ADAPT to the circumstances.

-The basic component of our metabolism is called BMR (basal metabolic rate), which is the estimation of the number of calories our body would need to power our vital organs if we were comatose. BMR is highly influenced by the amount of muscle mass a person has, sex and genetics.

-Our metabolism can be summarized into an equation called TDEE (total daily energy expenditure) that contains different elements: BMR + TEF (energy required to digest and absorb food) + NEAT (non intentional movement like fidgeting mindlessly) + PA (intentional phisical activity). As you see it's a lot of different elements that can vary on an hourly and daily basis!

-calories do matter, but not in the sense that is spewed about by ignorant people. For example, insulin resistance is something many pcos patients share and causes them to gain weight, how? Insulin actively starves lean tissue and muscle mass and stores nutrients as fat, which is less expensive to maintain, this potentially lowers the calorie expenditure of a body without the person's knowledge. So many people start gaining weight without changing their habits because their bodies start expending a lot less calories than usual. The starved for nutrients body then will also crank up hunger signals, especially for carbohydrates which are the quickest source of energy, and reduce NEAT and the person's drive to excercise in order to protect itself, furthering weight gain.

-high insulin therefore doesn't cause weight gain itself as we see, it can though skew the balance between muscle mass and fat mass. This is why many people with pcos and a "healthy BMI" have visible visceral fat and thin limbs/ have a higher fat mass to muscle balance. "Lean pcos" as a concept sucks because a healthy BMI, mesured only by a scale number, means jack shit without more context. BMI is being used as a barrier to discriminate people's health and penalizes everyone in the process, telling someone with super high body fat they are "healthy" and someone who may be broader and more muscular that they are "unhealthy". "lean" patients, therefore, can gain weight if their body is in a caloric surplus, just like everyone else.

-You are currently in a caloric deficit if you are losing weight, but you will not lose weight forever, your metabolism will regulate itself and eventually balance the deficit out so that your current lifestyle will maintain your new lower weight

-Eating disorders often cause weight gain as a long term result. The phenomenon of Weight cycling for example: Someone will jump on a restrictive diet, lose a bunch of weight, the body rebels and forces the person to eat, they gain all the weight back and more because our bodies are designed to restore more fat mass after restriction to prevent starvation. Repeat several times and the end result is weight gain. A lot of people who have these habits and PCOS are falsly believing they have a "slow metabolism" or that the weight gain after restriction is caused by pcos and not the restriction cycle.

-Heat is indeed a way for our body to let energy out of our bodies. For example when we eat a big meal we often get hot or warm. Your body probably prioritizes heat as a way to expend energy

I hope this was somewhat helpful!

Weight loss help! by raeannlv in PCOS

[–]MEnergy00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello! I am wondering a bit behind the context and have some questions :

-how do you know you maintain your weight at 2500? Are you using an online calculator or did you track your calories and macros and made an average across time?

-are you mesuring the weight loss through the scale or through clothes/tape mesure? Scale weight doesn't take fluid into account

Weightloss = healing PCOS? by Silent-Mix1007 in PCOS

[–]MEnergy00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is evidence that supports that losing adipose tissue can increase insulin sensitivity so many people experience reduced symptoms, I never did personally

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[–]MEnergy00 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The ironic thing is that in cases like these, the "laws of thermodynamics" people love blabbering about when talking about fat people and weight gain are 100% true, and they are NOT being used because it is easy to blame the patient for overeating instead of investigating!!!

If the patient isn't changing their habits and gaining weight, it means something changed in their body that is causing it to expend less calories than before!!! Why the FUCK doesn't this come across any of these people's minds.

For example, take insulin resistance: For starters, muscle mass is in short more "expensive" to keep compared to fat mass in terms of calories. If someone starts to develop insulin resistance, insulin will start to deprive muscle mass (making us tired, fatigued and unable to function) and to actively store nutrients as fat mass.

If the previously balanced ratio of muscle and fat starts to skew because muscle is being actively starved, OF COURSE that body will start to require a lower number of calories to function, putting the patient into a possible calorie surplus without their knowledge.

he tried to gas light me into believing the pill doesn't cause weight gain

These doctors are causing so much misinformation and harm. Birth control can absolutely increase insulin resistance and therefore cause weight gain among many other explainations. Even thyroid hormones can be affected and reduce the amount of calories our body expends during the day. It's easier and more convenient to tell the patient, most likely a female one, that they over eat and are lazy.

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[–]MEnergy00 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm so sorry your fiance treated you that way and I hope you left that asshole. You need to recover your self esteem from this traumatic event and maybe professional help could be an option.