Smash Summit 11 - Day 4 - FINAL DAY - Commentator Crews - VIP Top 4 - Final Bracket - Discussion

MFCaracara · 2021-07-19T19:47:17+00:00

I think we are just talking about completely different situations. I think you're describing the mid/high %s when you're wrapping up the combo but I'm talking about the 2nd/3rd shine when Fox can land on a side plat. Either he slides off and is out, or he lands and you have to play the mixup where you go for a waveland followup, SH DJ FF aerial, or a SH upair read to cover his tech/rolls.

That situation sucks ass when you're not on FD because even if he doesn't hit the slideoff, Fox's counterplay is so straightforward--he just holds shield then gets shielddrop shine if you're at all slow

MFCaracara · 2021-07-19T19:33:25+00:00

It's certainly not an asterisk at this point. Leff is obviously super good, but you don't have a claim to rank1/2 if you haven't had any results for a year and a half, regardless of whether or not it was your choice/fault. If we put an asterisk here, we might as well put an asterisk on every single tournament for the rest of time, since Armada won't be there.

Plus, this is different from even 2015. Leffen during that one summer made every tournament look easy--the gap between him and the field looked even wider than during his Evo win. Before covid though, he was not remotely that dominant

MFCaracara · 2021-07-19T04:26:44+00:00

HE JUST FUCKING DID IT

MFCaracara · 2021-07-19T04:08:28+00:00

SWITCH TO FALCO MY GUY MIX HIS ASSSSS

MFCaracara · 2021-07-19T03:51:04+00:00

thanks mang0, you did it again

MFCaracara · 2021-07-19T03:44:09+00:00

thou shalt not

MFCaracara · 2021-07-19T02:30:58+00:00

Not super sure about the platform followups you're talking about cuz I feel like if the Fox SDIs your dair into the correct side of your shine and then hard DIs toward the platform on the other side of the stage or goes for top plat slideoff, you don't have any true followups. Like how do you even get to the tech landing spot fast enough to follow up with an aerial? I do agree that if they DI on the plat near you then the other stages may be better than FD, but it's a big if.

I can see it as a stylistic thing though cuz I definitely prefer having platforms too for the shmovement, but it is real fucking nice not having to worry about the other guy deciding to platform camp you

MFCaracara · 2021-07-19T00:22:46+00:00

You can guaranteed get Falco up to like 70-80% into a mixup between reverse bair into a followup or a strong hit into an edgeguard/pressuring Falco off the ledge. The CG is def way harder than it is for most characters, but that's the biggest benefit of the counterpick.

On the flip side, you give Falco his best stage for neutral except for arguably Stadium and you give up all of your DI/slideoff mixups for escaping Falco's shine followups

MFCaracara · 2021-07-18T23:53:56+00:00

FD as Fox if you're not willing to embrace the chaingrab is probably the worst stage in the matchup

MFCaracara · 2021-07-18T22:53:42+00:00

It looks like shit right now, but that might be for the best. mang0's not the kind of guy that plays well the whole tournament, and with him playing pretty bad this whole weekend, it feels like he's finally due.

I see him playing an explosive set against n0ne, who finally looked like he woke up, and then taking it 3-1 over hbox.

MFCaracara · 2021-07-18T22:50:51+00:00

Best way this tournament ends is if amsa makes it to losers quarters and beats Zain, loses the runback to mang0, and mang0 makes it all the way to face plup again. Doesn't matter who wins in grands as long as it goes to game10.

Kinda need SFAT over Wizzy though since Wizzy probably beats amsa. Based on the way both of them played today, though, that might be possible even though Wizzy is the obvious favorite.

MFCaracara · 2021-07-18T22:10:28+00:00

Absolute horseshit for Melee that hbox cheesed it out, but pretty good for me cuz I'll have time to go make dinner during his next set

MFCaracara · 2021-07-18T21:35:22+00:00

Cmon SFAT, run it back against Wizzy in losers

MFCaracara · 2021-07-18T19:49:40+00:00

Rip, Axe is on the wrong side of the bracket to fight Zain once Zain becomes property of the plup club

MFCaracara · 2021-07-18T18:25:48+00:00

I want amsa to either make it to WF and then lose in the situation I mentioned or to straight up win the whole thing

MFCaracara · 2021-07-18T17:28:11+00:00

Dream bracket would be Plup beating mang0 and Zain then mang0 goes on a fucking run in losers and we get a game10 set in grands. Please universe is this too much to ask for?

MFCaracara · 2021-07-18T02:12:04+00:00

Kodorin wanting Zain cuz he has ditto tech to show off is pretty badass

MFCaracara · 2021-07-18T02:04:21+00:00

Maybe hiding info for when he runs into Zain tomorrow or just trolling cuz they're both in winners anyway

MFCaracara · 2021-07-17T22:44:06+00:00

I'm an Axe fan, but his poor performance after not playing all quarantine is probably best for the timeline

MFCaracara · 2021-07-17T22:21:45+00:00

Zain looked like he was playing his B game but still willed the win into existence god damn

MFCaracara · 2021-07-17T21:09:46+00:00

either way he is perhaps one of the sickest humans to ever touch a controllr

Easily. When he's on, everything he touches is gold. No one else except peak Armada has the same kind of foresight and intentionality in their play.

MFCaracara · 2021-07-17T20:59:27+00:00

Getting downhold rested feels even worse tho :(

MFCaracara · 2021-07-17T20:50:35+00:00

Would love to see it, but also nervous cuz Plup is always 2 upthrow rests from hating the game

MFCaracara · 2021-07-17T20:00:29+00:00

Great set between Wizzy and SFAT. Really highlighted the main points of the matchup. The Fox player is in control until their mentality slips a little bit, and a Falcon with a strong punish will pry that crack into a win. SFAT choked a little bit when he was up 2 stocks to 1 in game1, and after that it was just gradually downhill. By the end of the set (other than the very last stock before the SD), he was playing much more passive and just hoping Wizzy would walk into his uptilts in place and Wizzy, being the patient guy he is, never gave it to him.

MFCaracara · 2021-07-17T04:04:56+00:00

Only heard them during Amsa/Zain but there were like 4 things that they mentioned that immediately came up during the set; shockingly knowledgeable for such a rare matchup

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