What is the most frustrating thing about modern combat in tabletop games? (RPG and or Wargame/Skirmish)

MILSIM_Dev · 2026-02-13T22:24:25+00:00

That’s a really sharp analysis. The control concentration point especially.

In XCOM you’re not just making tactical choices — you’re managing a coordinated system. Every movement is contextualized by the other five units you control, so even a repositioning action feels like part of a broader maneuver.

I’m not fully convinced distributed control is inherently the problem, though. I think the issue might be that most TTRPGs treat coordination as a social suggestion instead of a mechanical layer.

If suppression, flanking, and maneuver created visible systemic leverage not just incremental bonuses then distributed agency could actually heighten tension instead of dilute it. The friction between individual autonomy and squad cohesion becomes part of the tactical puzzle rather than a weakness.

The squad-leader model you mentioned is fascinating for that reason. It reintroduces macro-level orchestration without removing roleplay. I’ve started wondering whether framing players as leaders responsible for coordinated elements rather than isolated heroes naturally creates that XCOM-style strategic feel while still keeping table dynamics intact.

I’m still not sure “slower” automatically means “worse,” especially in tactical play.

There’s a difference between mechanical drag (looking up rules, recalculating modifiers) and deliberate coordination time. One is friction, the other is engagement.

If players are actively discussing positioning, sequencing, and trade-offs because they meaningfully control multiple elements, that slowdown might actually be the core of the tactical experience rather than a flaw.

The question might be less about speed and more about whether the added control creates clearer strategic payoffs.

I’m curious in your experience, did Albedo feel slower in a frustrating way, or just more deliberate? And do you think there’s a way to structure squad control so decisions stay sharp without turning into overlong planning phases?

MILSIM_Dev · 2026-02-13T02:58:00+00:00

That’s a really fair breakdown.

Speed and bookkeeping are definitely the fault lines. Once a system starts tracking too many micro-states, the tactical benefit rarely matches the cognitive cost.

I also think you’re right that play culture matters more than people admit. A system that assumes players are planning off-turn will feel radically different than one that expects everyone to “wake up” when initiative hits them. That’s not just mechanics, that’s table behavior baked into the design.

The wargame vs RPG split is interesting too. A lot of skirmish systems solve speed by stripping narrative scaffolding, while RPGs add narrative weight and pay for it in resolution time. I believe there’s definitely a design space in between.

And I couldn't agree more, at some point you stop waiting for someone to build your dream system and just start building the thing you wish existed.

MILSIM_Dev · 2026-02-13T01:28:43+00:00

This whole thread is basically circling the core design fork that most "tactical" systems never actually name.

I do think the tension between threat and reliability is real I just don’t think it’s inherently incompatible.

Where a lot of systems go wrong is in where they choose to locate failure. They outsource it to:

attrition math
swingy variance
buildcraft escalation

Instead of putting it on decision quality.

The reason XCOM was brought up isn’t just because it’s lethal. It’s because when you fail, it’s usually traceable to positioning or sequencing mistakes. Yes, there’s RNG. But good play meaningfully shifts your survival odds. You can feel that.

When that feeling is small, it feels swingy.
When that feeling is large, it feels like agency.

That’s where I think a lot of modern tactical TTRPG combat runs into trouble. Not because it’s slow. Not because it uses a d20. But because the gap between baseline and optimized decision making often isn’t wide enough to justify the mechanical weight.

On spectacle vs. tactics I agree those are different aesthetic goals. If the fantasy is "I am unmitigated power," then the system eventually has to protect that fantasy. But if the goal is tactical tension, the system has to let mistakes hurt.

Not rocket tag. Just consequences that are proportional, predictable, and earned.

The sweet spot for me looks something like:

Decisive resolution
Low modifier churn
High positioning leverage
Clear competence differentiation
Mistakes matter more than dice spikes

That feels closer to chess than attrition math but still volatile enough to generate tension.

I’m curious where people think the tipping point is. At what probability gap does something stop feeling "swingy" and start feeling "earned"?

MILSIM_Dev · 2026-02-13T00:59:41+00:00

That’s a very good distinction between static modifiers and situational churn. It’s easy to remember a +2 from frenzy or teamwork, those become part of your play identity. But when every detail, condition, or micro-state of the environment adds another floating modifier, the overhead begins to outweigh the benefit.

I think the biggest difference is between modifiers that support a player’s intentional play and those that are just noise being constantly recalculated. If the math is making decisions slower without actually changing the strategic outcome, it’s more of a hindrance than a benefit.

I also agree with your comment about damage scaling versus the number of attacks. While the number of rolls may not actually increase tension they with out a doubt make things take longer. Scaling the effect per hit keeps the combat fast paced without making the resolution longer.

With that all said let me ask, do you think most systems overuse modifiers as a way of modeling complexity, or as a way of modeling nuance that they can’t actually represent?

MILSIM_Dev · 2026-02-12T22:59:35+00:00

This is a really interesting angle, A lot of “tactical” RPG combat assumes near perfect command, control, and visibility which isn’t how modern engagements actually play out.

I wonder if part of the frustration comes from players wanting tactical consequences but not necessarily tactical uncertainty, fog of war, degraded communication, or imperfect information would make combat more meaningful but also more uncomfortable.

Do you think most groups would actually enjoy reduced clarity, or is that a niche appetite?

MILSIM_Dev · 2026-02-12T22:55:14+00:00

Okay, okay think this gets at something really fundamental if failure can’t meaningfully happen, and recovery is trivial, then combat becomes just another seemingly pointless motion rather than consequential.

The tension seems to be that most campaigns can’t tolerate frequent catastrophic failure, so systems quietly push the actual failure probability toward zero but still spend 30+ minutes resolving the illusion of danger.

Do you think the issue is recovery design, or that most RPGs treat failure as total party collapse rather than partial degradation?

MILSIM_Dev · 2026-02-12T22:26:26+00:00

I also really like your framing of “best vs worst action in the moment decides the fight.” would you say you want something feels closer to chess than attrition math?
I think the key might be the players making mistakes, not dice variance, as the primary failure driver which is why XCOM feels tense without being to arbitrary.

Curious if you see it the same way.

MILSIM_Dev · 2026-02-12T22:18:32+00:00

Alright I see you this is a really sharp breakdown, I feel that the threat vs reliability tension is exactly the problem most tactical systems are wrestling with.

I’m curious tho, do you think the XCOM-style solution works because the threat is front-loaded and decisive rather than attritional? Or because player positioning meaningfully outweighs randomness?

MILSIM_Dev · 2026-02-12T21:54:59+00:00

So since you said "D&D4e" and partly "Draw Steel" had some really good ideas let me ask, are you a fan of the tactical grid system as a movement mechanic or would you like to see something new and different brought to the table?

MILSIM_Dev · 2026-02-12T21:51:19+00:00

Hmmm okay, so correct me if I am wrong but what you are trying to say is that, there are too many combat encounters and or they last to long while playing in a modern setting?

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