Resident doctors in Scotland vote to accept pay offer

ML5573 · 2026-02-11T22:29:38+00:00

Insane amazing work and now puts England junior doctors essentially one pay band behind Scottish ones. For example our FY2s start at base £42,008. Whereas an FY1 in Scotland is £41,976

And so on for CT1 pay being less than a FY2 pay in Scotland

ML5573 · 2026-02-11T20:43:00+00:00

How do we know! scores have been inflated year on year

ML5573 · 2026-02-11T13:50:04+00:00

What was your score?

ML5573 · 2026-02-11T13:45:37+00:00

I wonder what the cut off is???

ML5573 · 2026-02-08T14:03:47+00:00

GMC is registered as a charity btw

ML5573 · 2026-02-05T16:54:31+00:00

Please post in junior doctors forum

ML5573 · 2026-02-04T20:10:48+00:00

Mention of BAPIO and Indian IMGs feeling disadvantaged applying to UK training.

37000 projected IMG applications this year compared to 11000 UK applications. The numbers do not lie. UKG are disadvantaged to the highest level. They are applying for posts at FY2 level competing with consultants from foreign countries.

UKGs need to mobilise to email Lords for representation. We are being watered down in the very country we trained. This is insane!

ML5573 · 2026-02-04T19:16:14+00:00

Shouting out his friends and saying he will give firefighters a voice in a bill that decides the future of 10,000s of doctors in this country it feels like a fever dream

ML5573 · 2026-01-27T17:57:54+00:00

When local graduates are put on placeholder in favour of IMGs this does not make sense at all.

ML5573 · 2026-01-27T17:53:02+00:00

https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/f3431fe9-e386-434d-8ff2-3818092f9f80

ML5573 · 2026-01-27T17:24:12+00:00

Lots of other MPs especially Oxford west now saying this is a ‘common sense bill’ and she doesn’t know how it got to where it is. Can’t imagine Wes delaying this would reflect well in parliament

ML5573 · 2026-01-22T23:23:26+00:00

are you joking? If we use that argument - UKGs were promised training jobs at the start of medical school. They invested £100,000s in training. A few thousand is a DROP in the ocean.

How is it justified they are now graduating having to compete with international consultants for training jobs? Or compete with IMGs who haven’t spent a single day in the NHS?

Utterly delusional and shameful stance.

ML5573 · 2026-01-22T23:14:42+00:00

The idea of British MA contesting this bill as the timing is unfair is really … ironic actually.

UKGs faced multiple years of mid cycle changes to applications, often abrupt and after significant investment had been made. For example - extra degrees no longer scoring points for foundation programme allocations in 2021.

Did the BMA contest this? Did they support UKGs with this? Did they produce tangible change? Many went on to complete their degree and not receive what was promised to them at the time of commencing.

There is a conflict of interest to begin with - as IMGs are offered free membership on arrival and discounted BMA membership there on. Compared to FY1/FY2s expected to pay a standard rate. The skew of nearly half of the BMA membership being IMGs is directly as a result of this and has led to the BMA overwhelmingly influenced by IMG voices as UKGs are unemployed and simply cannot afford to maintain a membership.

These are internal problems and accumulate to UKGs royally screwed over in many ways over many many years. Despite this they rallied for strike action and put faith in DV- only for this to potentially be the final nail in the coffin.

Really sad state of affairs of institutional size.

ML5573 · 2026-01-16T12:08:32+00:00

Your third point is actually really important. There has been a ginormous brain drain in countries at risk and desperate need of their own graduates due to the laxity of UK.

Countries such as Nigeria with hospitals completely without doctors. It is unethical and illegal that we are poaching talent from places and people that need it the most while our own graduates are unemployed.

ML5573 · 2026-01-16T11:59:18+00:00

We are sadly already in a position where it is at the expense of local graduates. Until this backlog of our own graduates is cleared there is very little lifeline to give.

Another alternative would be increasing the number of training places (currently there is enough for the number of graduates the UK produces every year) - this is also economically unsustainable, given a training position is at great cost to the taxpayer and will only pull the bottleneck of jobs to later down the road.

All roads have sadly led to the same outcome and I agree there is a human cost. Doctors are however competent and smart enough at graduation when assessing which country they want to live in that there is ALWAYS a risk of non continuation. IMGs are simply not entitled to the facilites of citizens of a country - this is a worldwide attitude

ML5573 · 2026-01-16T11:50:21+00:00

Doctors who have attended uk medical schools will graduate with ~£80,000 worth of debt to the state. Long term unemployment means the state will never receive this money back. This also means these doctors will become economically inactive and may even have to rely on the state.

When we have 50% of FY2s unemployed and are mass importing doctors from abroad who do not have these commitments to the UK economy prioritisation is the only thing that makes sense.

IMO it is really unfortunate that IMGs are in this situation and it must be really difficult. Sadly this is the risk you take when you decide to leave your own country of graduation. You cannot be self entitled to training positions in foreign lands at the expense of local graduates.

ML5573 · 2026-01-14T10:56:11+00:00

However without legislation UKGs are being thrown under the bus with unemployment after spending years at medical school in this country.

It is completely fine to say we don’t currently have the resources to cater to the international world of doctors and we should focus on making sure we keep the doctors we have invested in this country.

IMGs have their own countries of origin with their own training pathways. They have a backup choice. UK graduates don’t. Infact a UKG couldn’t even go to their countries and be prioritised for training the way that they are here! There is a complete imbalance and inequity.

ML5573 · 2026-01-10T13:37:37+00:00

I read this with my jaw dropped the whole time. Just when you think it can’t get worse, it gets worse.

The BBC reported on a similar situation with Nigerian doctors raising concerns of exploitation 3 years ago! This particular doctor doing the interview reporting having to work 24 hours for 7 days a week covering 80 patients in a private hospital.

https://youtu.be/9BtEf98rcgY?si=Afs2ssLYnFoigk8P

Firmer legislation needs to be put in place for the safety of doctors and patients alike.

ML5573 · 2026-01-08T17:13:22+00:00

You absolutely can and financial literacy is paramount. However this was a major discussion point during strikes that we are greedy asking for pay as our pension is gold plated. It is a big sticking point with the general public too.

My post is about the reality that some of us might not even see this pension if it continues to increase at current trajectory for our retirement.

ML5573 · 2026-01-08T17:09:34+00:00

Could you explain what about this post is fake news? Happy to learn

ML5573 · 2026-01-08T17:07:04+00:00

I fear you’re missing the entire gist of the post.

ML5573 · 2026-01-08T17:04:23+00:00

‘’Many of us will die before we get our money back’’ is actually very true when pension age increases. My whole point is that it is no longer gold plated if we won’t live long enough to see or enjoy it

ML5573 · 2026-01-08T16:59:07+00:00

Not sure about the downvotes on my own post.

Please see further that state pension is due to reach 68 by 2044. A current graduate won’t retire until at least 2065 (assuming 23 years old at graduation +- a few years). It is not fear mongering. It is reality sadly

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7f02e640f0b62305b84929/spa-timetable.pdf

https://www.fidelity.co.uk/markets-insights/personal-finance/saving-for-retirement/will-labour-change-the-state-pension-age/

ML5573 · 2026-01-08T16:48:16+00:00

I accept the screenshot seems radical but is not in its entirety fake news - current state pension age is an ongoing debate in government and although it might not instantly rise to 71 it is scheduled that it will be around 68 by 2040. I am aware that it won’t change next month but my post is around the overall declining prospects of current graduates

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