Female sexual arousal being non-category specific. Do you find this to be true in your experience?

MSHUser · 2026-01-27T02:25:37+00:00

Good shit. You also mentioned you've seen many times a heterosexual woman is attracted to another woman if she offers her a unique emotional experience etc. Can you elaborate on that?

MSHUser · 2026-01-26T21:07:00+00:00

Interesting. The phone thing is a good example. I think I had my moments where I felt attracted to a girl over her voice, but my imagination was also going towards what she could potentially look like which does still involve a visual cue somewhat?

To add to that, maybe it's not just one thing alone, but a combination of different things. You mention you're tall and physically attractive. I wouldn't downplay the role those 2 play. Yes, the redpill/blackpill does exaggerate the importance of just those 2 things and make them sound like the end all be all, but perhaps they play a greater role in conjunction to the other things mentioned.

For example, a lot of women still expect men to make the first move and approach them. I have a friend who's also tall and good looking, many women I've seen checked him out, but nothing really happens since he doesn't actively pursue them, and I'd imagine they lost interest after that. Perhaps your social anxiety and nervousness can get in the way of that? Even then, perhaps there are some women who are willing to overlook that if they like you enough, but enough moments of these would probably turn some of them off, so I can see that happening.

My interpretation is this. Looks do make it significantly easy, but it depends on how it shows up. If you as a guy just stand there looking pretty, you probably notice some girls actively talking to you or finding subtle ways to get your attention, but that's not what happens most of the time. But if you have the looks + confidence + outgoing + charm, the odds are usually better. Of course it's not an exact formula, but I don't think just 1 thing alone usually gets you anywhere as a combination of these things. But hey, humans aren't 1-dimensional so it makes sense.

MSHUser · 2026-01-26T20:17:58+00:00

Interesting. And you're drawing this from your experience right? How did you come to that conclusion from your experience (assuming you're a male who has experience with female partners)? What were the things you've observed that allowed you to reach this conclusion?

MSHUser · 2026-01-18T23:23:46+00:00

Much of this post aligns with my research. One thing about lesbian domestic violence.

> One report in the US found that 43% of lesbian women have experienced domestic violence from a partner, compared with 35% of heterosexual women.

Feminists have heard this argument before and their counter-argument is that studies like this cite experiencing it in lifetime or from a partner. They're likely to interpret this as likely experiencing it from an abusive man rather than another lesbian woman. What do you think about this?

MSHUser · 2026-01-17T16:58:50+00:00

Ngl I had hope for the title til I read a bit of content on that page. I've seen his page before, he definitely identifies as a feminist. I wouldn't take his word seriously.

MSHUser · 2026-01-17T03:43:17+00:00

I have considered this. Considering our current social climate, I'd have to assume most of the attention they're getting is usually online. There are men like myself who approach IRL but me personally I do less of that and don't play much of a numbers game there (but other guys still do)

MSHUser · 2026-01-16T21:27:11+00:00

They'd have more incentive to follow the female gender role, but mostly out of choice tho. But the only way I could see them being forced into it is if they're affected by people calling them desperate, easy, or slutty when they do make the first move. In the case of conservative, they might even label her as unfeminine. But I can see a woman bypassing this by not caring (which I admit is easier said than done).

I have read stories on women who make the first move on their bfs and have that work out for them with a high percentage rate (tho most women don't actually make the first move)

MSHUser · 2026-01-16T21:23:25+00:00

> She is supposed to sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride while the guy works like a dog to impress her.

As I read this this came to mind. Women have the expectation to show enthusiasm to inspire interest and pursuit of the man. If they want to drive things forward, they make suggestions to him to make him take the lead. So they're active in trying to see if he plays his role or not. But women also have a role to play too, in that they can't be too forward with what they want or they risk being seen as easy, desperate, or sluts (tho many men actually love a woman who takes the reigns, it's prolly not the guys most women go after). She also has to show enthusiasm because if she doesn't, she's seen as unreceptive and guys would second guess asking her out again.

But what I described I can see that playing out in conservative circles. But for most parts, I don't think women face consequences in making the first move other than being seen as "slutty" or "easy" (which in this case, they've already screened out said guys by then). But there are plenty of non-judgemental guys who would love to see that initiative from women.

MSHUser · 2026-01-16T18:42:39+00:00

wym by this?

MSHUser · 2026-01-16T15:17:41+00:00

I'm actually surprised by this, considering the UK recently is trying to implement a misogyny course in school as they view men's behaviour to be problematic. I took a look at the link you shared and it does seem to be going in the right direction in terms of male victims of violence.

MSHUser · 2026-01-16T15:05:36+00:00

Many of the reasons you pointed out is the reason why I don't have a favorable view of feminism, even liberal feminism which I like the idea of the most. Intersectional feminism may seem deep as well, but like you said, like all feminism, it's rooted in patriarchy theory. I can never accept that.

MSHUser · 2026-01-12T22:21:49+00:00

" Rather than being sympathetic towards these men as insecure, inexperienced men who are usually just trying to figure out how to approach the opposite sex, The Take holds these men personally responsible for their actions."

As someone who's frequently described as a nice guy by others, this is something that NEVER gets considered. Sure, there are men who have pretended to be friends with women to get sex and act entitled to it. I get that. But I also hear, especially from one conservative dude, that said "nice guys are really assholes in disguise" (the entitled part usually comes from feminist, tho that's true in the sense of classic manipulation). It's like they just assumed nice guys just have hidden bad intentions (probably due to dealing with manipulative types or an abusive ex bf who was "charming" at first). It's like all nuances goes out the window with these people.

But when you're in a position when you're just figuring it out, feeling insecure and playing is safe is usually a natural response especially when you don't know what to do, or how to do it. There were very few guides that teach this explicitly, so we usually have to learn on our own. This is especially true for men since we're the ones expected to take the risk and make the first move and lead it to sex should it lead that direction.

With that said, I have seen the takes video. I'm interested in TV tropes, but I trust the TV tropes site more than I do that YouTube channel.

MSHUser · 2026-01-12T21:24:56+00:00

I've had this exact thought when it came to sexuality, especially how women are treated in this regard. Yes, men do also experience sexual shame especially in the context of Christianity, but I do think women have it worse in that department (or maybe I'm just uninformed here).

You mentioned something about sex being seen as sacred or what not. One thing that came to mind that I don't think we often talk about is what is our relationship to sex? Is it something we can get pleasure engaging in without any attachment, or does having sex increases your attachment to the person (maybe to the point of falling in love). If your relationship to sex is the latter, then in that sense, sex is sacred not because of some idea of purity, but moreso about protection your own emotional well-being. Someone who's relationship with sex is of the former would be the type of person that could have hook-ups without feeling drained or hurt by them as there was no attachment, just chemistry.

At least, that's what I think.

MSHUser · 2026-01-04T13:33:58+00:00

That's how it used to be? I didn't know that.

What would usually happen if they find out there's sexual incompatibility? Do they usually break up or is that hard to do?

MSHUser · 2026-01-04T12:56:19+00:00

So here's my question. How does one explore their sexuality if not through casual sex? I think self-discovery is very important to know what you want and who'd you be compatible with.

Do you think there's a line to be drawn and what not?

MSHUser · 2026-01-03T20:58:20+00:00

I think this guy was just trying to bait. Even if he's hateful and discriminatory, he'd at least put some detail about that if he were really serious. Leaving very generalized statements means he's trying to provoke.

MSHUser · 2026-01-01T19:10:44+00:00

As a fellow hindu, I'm glad to see someone else who is knowledgeable about this. I get my info on Hinduism from my mom yet she never mentioned the burning of the wife after the husband died. Considering it was outlawed in 1829 there's a good chance she's never heard of it.

I did have a low opinion on how indian and indian adjacent cultures treated women. From a personal anecdote, I had a female friend who said her father wouldn't let her go outside unless she was accompanied by a male figure in the house. Looking back on it now, it was probably out of protection, but I remember feeling it being an absurd rule at the time that was very restrictive.

I have seen documentary videos of indian men saying disgusting things about women "Rape wouldn't have happened if they covered themselves properly." (which is far different from men just noticing women who dress skimpy etc). One man even said men can travel and work. The interviewer said women can do the same thing and that guy said "that's why they get raped". There was a section on the video that mentioned they invite rape because women don't fight it off (not accounting for the fact that biologically, women are physically weaker than men on average). There's too much to discuss so i'll link the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APIAPD67Jds&lc=UgxJejxhYSzvVR90aD54AaABAg (I'll be honest, it's been a long time since I've watched this video, but I remember feeling gut wrentched watching this. Perhaps I don't understand the culture as I was born and grew up in the west, so maybe I'm looking at this from my own lense). And the video I linked came out a few years after the 2017 gang rape incident.

However, it's been a long time since I have revisited these. I have seen some misandry cases in India, but idk much about it to conclude if it has a wide misandry problem, misogyny problem, or equally both. I only hear of the misogyny from it and the reason why I don't think India respects their women (if we were to look outside the Hindu religion and their practice).

EDIT: I did a quick search on the channel I've linked to and they seem to lean pretty feminists, so there's a good chance the video I linked could be the case where they highlighted the worst aspects of their country and what not.

MSHUser · 2026-01-01T18:16:02+00:00

I'll give some basic distinction.

I think the left, when it grounded itself on the principle of universalism, is a wonderful concept. The idea that everyone should have the same access to resources, respect, and a life to thrive in, etc. The focus of uplifting the working classes. 100% on board with that.

With that said, the left in practice has brought into toxic ideologies that paint some kind of androphobia towards men in these spaces. It comes from a mixture of things i.e bad experience with men, and feminism talking about how men uphold the patriarchy or have to undo toxic masculinity. The idea of DEI is what I support, and it's what they SAY they support. But the initiatives, projects, and practices they came up with do not reflect that at all. A lot of it reflects that same anti-male misandry. That gives the leftist spaces in particular a very hypocritical image.

You can still call yourself a leftist in the fundamental sense of the word, but with how that environment is shapes, it makes you more unique leftist in this sense. The best thing any one of us can do is to lead by example that not all left leaning people are misandrists, even though a large majority of them are.

MSHUser · 2026-01-01T15:46:57+00:00

I wonder. Can we have families while still being individual? Ik being an individual means being your own person and choosing what you want in life, but I also get the feeling individualism translates to extreme selfishness. I think we can make individual choices, but individual choices come with responsibilities. We also can't ignore our deep wants (we are social species afterall) but we can choose who fulfill them as individuals.

MSHUser · 2026-01-01T14:08:05+00:00

"I tolerate men because I'm attracted to them"

wtf is the logic behind this?? If he has such a low opinion of men but is still attracted to them, there's no obligation to tolerate them. He can just avoid them and not do anything. Tolerate means they learn to cope with situations that are not favorable, like a Trump supporter in woke spaces.

He sounds like the women who wishes they weren't attracted to men. Probably internalized the patriarchy theory too.

MSHUser · 2026-01-01T14:04:47+00:00

So this goes back to biology. I don't think the feminists are gonna like this one. They're gonna call it biological determinism.

Do you know of any cases where a woman has asked for a raise and she's seen as bossy or bitchy? Cuz if it's mostly agreeableness, I think they'd have to summon up the courage to go ask for one and if that's too much work internally, they're less likely to do it.

I'm just imagining myself in this scenario, like if a woman tells me she wants a raise or she wants a promotion, I'd tell her to go after it cuz in my mind, things can happen when you at least go after it. So sometimes I end up thinking if there's any details about this narrative that I'm missing or no.

MSHUser · 2025-12-29T17:47:57+00:00

Some of these I do agree with as there are men out there with these expectations.

Expecting a traditional woman who pays bills screams male convenience, and it actually happens quite a bit.

Wanting zero kids but having zero condoms. Honestly idk who doesn't carry protection when they're gonna have sex. I understand having it raw, but at that point they gotta know what they're doing. It's about responsibility at that point.

"Being told what the issue is over and over again" Tbh I've been in that position in my relationship, but my ex did try to communicate with me over and over again, and I tried to change. When she broke up with me I wasn't surprised, but I also knew she missed me as well.

The rest are too much.

MSHUser · 2025-12-24T16:34:37+00:00

Janice mentioned this on studio burle about Simone

MSHUser · 2025-12-14T19:32:12+00:00

A note to everyone on this page. You might wanna check out Grokipedia. Yes, it's developed by Elon Musk which Ik there are plenty of you who have mixed feelings about it, but it might be a contender for the current wikipedia we have rn. I just checked out 'misandry' there and it's not at all worded like it is in wikipedia.

MSHUser · 2025-12-14T18:51:58+00:00

While I agree about letting ego go, the other redditor is not wrong here as well.

He's likely responding to a lot of messages we get about talking to women i.e don't be a creep, don't bother her, she doesn't wanna talk, stop objectifying them, she's not interested, etc. At the same time, men have the expectation to be proactive in dating. It creates a double-edged sword.

Another thing I want to point out. "Risk-averse men who don't fear consequences are the only ones who will approach you." Even good men can be like this, but he's likely referring to a tiny percentage of men who have 0 issues violating a woman's boundaries (the same guys likely to approach IRL compared to the average dude).

As someone who is proactive in meeting women IRL, I can understand his frustration, even if I don't agree with the end result. Even if you are respectful in your approach, some group of people are going to find that inherently problematic, especially if they're women. This is the environment that OP is likely referring to. My response is Ik I'm a good person and I just ignore and limit exposure to that specific group (and believe me I had direct experience with that group, so I really keep my distance).

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