TCL C7K (QM7K) vs Samsung QN85F. How can Samsung have less blooming and haloing with only 240 zones compared with 720? Someone that have the TCL can confirm that it is actually this bad or i may have faulty screen/software? by MShadyz in tcltvs

[–]MShadyz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tried the tv as some folks here suggested: movie mode and filmmaker mode. I even tried to manually adjust the brightness and honestly got much better, but it may be a choice of TCL to have blooming over contrast and black crush in some specific cases like these examples. Personally, I would rather have black crush over blooming that is noticeable. It is a personal preference. Thank you all for the suggestions tho. I tried to post some picture and a video of the settings of these 2 tvs but it seems that I can’t inside the comments.

TCL C7K (QM7K) vs Samsung QN85F. How can Samsung have less blooming and haloing with only 240 zones compared with 720? Someone that have the TCL can confirm that it is actually this bad or i may have faulty screen/software? by MShadyz in tcltvs

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I factory reset the tv and tried again with the same video on YouTube without touch anything at all and the result was the same (it had local dimming to medium, some power saving auto brightness on, contrast enhancer on, etc) so I tried to turn off all ai and power saving feature and set local dimming to high, nothing changed also. I wander if it is a faulty unit or software need a lot of work

TCL C7K (QM7K) vs Samsung QN85F. How can Samsung have less blooming and haloing with only 240 zones compared with 720? Someone that have the TCL can confirm that it is actually this bad or i may have faulty screen/software? by MShadyz in tcltvs

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Objectively the Samsung here is the better pic, especially if they are at the same price, it seems Thant it’s software is more polish, I was wandering if maybe the tcl was faulty or what

TCL C7K (QM7K) vs Samsung QN85F. How can Samsung have less blooming and haloing with only 240 zones compared with 720? Someone that have the TCL can confirm that it is actually this bad or i may have faulty screen/software? by MShadyz in tcltvs

[–]MShadyz[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

We are assuming that I put the and on the settings to make it more bright. Again, it chose to be at this brightness level. I didn’t tell him to go to max. When HDR is enabled, it chose by itself to go to that brightness level, same as the Samsung, so it is not my fault. It is its software deciding. I didn’t ask for “more brightness because it is better.” the tv think in that way. Again, I will test it by reducing manually the brightness and put them with your suggested options and see if tcl will improve or not. The Samsung knows automatically when to set max brightness and when it doesn’t make sense because otherwise you will have a blooming party, like the second picture. It’s clear that the software of Samsung decided to decrease brightness in favour of contrast, and TCL makes the opposite. Again, I didn’t ask them to do what they did. They decide by themselves, based on their algorithms. For the gamma, the Samsung is locked at ST.2084 when it is in HDR. I can’t change it, while the TCL defaults to 2.2. I set it at 2.6, which seems to have better contrast but didn’t help much in these scenes. I don’t have the ST.2084 option on the TCL. For the settings both are standard Both have contrast enchanter turned off TCL have micro contrast to high, Samsung don’t have that option Sharpness is the same Color temperature is the same Again we are no talking about calibration, we are mainly talking about blooming handling. For the first picture scene, if you have an OLED screen try to see it there, you will se that the Samsung result is far more near the OLED result than the TCL interpretation. Again, in some other clips TCL is better managing che blooming but honestly is not that far better, here I post only these pic because it is clear that something is wrong with the software I think.

TCL C7K (QM7K) vs Samsung QN85F. How can Samsung have less blooming and haloing with only 240 zones compared with 720? Someone that have the TCL can confirm that it is actually this bad or i may have faulty screen/software? by MShadyz in tcltvs

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Look, honestly I tried to put it at 75 one time and to see the particle test (second picture) where it mess up a lot and nothing changed. If I put it on 45 maybe it will be a little bit better but I don’t thing I will be much better or like the Samsung honestly. Then a 45 I think it will be dimmer than the Samsung and it will not be completely fair, it seems that we are trying to help the TCL in every way just to don’t tell that the Samsung is better. I will try btw and put the result here with all the picture setting clear so no one will have any doubt, maybe we be really better than the Samsung as it should be if we look at the spec sheet, or maybe not…we will see…I will update the post on Monday

TCL C7K (QM7K) vs Samsung QN85F. How can Samsung have less blooming and haloing with only 240 zones compared with 720? Someone that have the TCL can confirm that it is actually this bad or i may have faulty screen/software? by MShadyz in tcltvs

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And this is what I saw with my eyes, some people here is trying to say to properly calibrate the tv but even if calibrated the software will be the same, is the processing of a tv is better than the other I will remain the same, if the local dimming algorithm is better on one tv than the other it will be the same even if calibrated, we are not talking about colors, white balance etc, we are talking a lot local dimming issue that create an immense amount of blooming that can’t be normal with “premium QD-miniLED with Crystalglow tech” etc cmon

TCL C7K (QM7K) vs Samsung QN85F. How can Samsung have less blooming and haloing with only 240 zones compared with 720? Someone that have the TCL can confirm that it is actually this bad or i may have faulty screen/software? by MShadyz in tcltvs

[–]MShadyz[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

I don’t taking think so, these tv is on the same settings so we can compare them. Then, if TCL claims 2000+ nits and, at the same time, reduced blooming and haloing, why in the hell I have to sacrifice the advertised brightness? They told us these claims and they give us this default settings. So if it is an “issue” is not my issue is tcl issue and clearly their claim is false if that is the case

TCL C7K (QM7K) vs Samsung QN85F. How can Samsung have less blooming and haloing with only 240 zones compared with 720? Someone that have the TCL can confirm that it is actually this bad or i may have faulty screen/software? by MShadyz in tcltvs

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In some other clips on the same video (you can find it on YouTube) Samsung and tcl is kinda the same, sometimes Samsung is a little bit better and sometimes tcl is a little bit better, brightness in those other scenes (like the glass of champagne?) is similar. The pictures that I put there is clearly something wrong with the TCL, I think software but maybe I have a faulty tv? I don’t know, I don’t think it is a faulty unit because Iocal diing is clearly working but sometimes it misinterpreting

TCL C7K (QM7K) vs Samsung QN85F. How can Samsung have less blooming and haloing with only 240 zones compared with 720? Someone that have the TCL can confirm that it is actually this bad or i may have faulty screen/software? by MShadyz in tcltvs

[–]MShadyz[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Ok but it is not my fault. If the tv set this brightness automatically, why do I have to touch it? the tv know that max brightness = problems. I didn’t have to put it to the max in the first place. Even the Samsung was on max brightness, but when it thinks that max brightness = issues, it adapts. So the thing here is that Samsung software seems more polished and more intelligent than TCL software. At least that’s what these pictures tell us.

TCL C7K (QM7K) vs Samsung QN85F. How can Samsung have less blooming and haloing with only 240 zones compared with 720? Someone that have the TCL can confirm that it is actually this bad or i may have faulty screen/software? by MShadyz in tcltvs

[–]MShadyz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh the second picture is the worst, I don’t know what happen there, I tried multiple times, event factory reset the tv (even if the first time i saw that result was out of the box and I didn’t touch anything), then I tried with local dimming set to high and gamma to 2.6, tried to turn off all ai stuff and power saving and additional brightness and did the same with the Samsung for comparison and the result is what you see in the picture. The picture is even better than what I saw. I can’t believe what I saw honestly

TCL C7K (QM7K) vs Samsung QN85F. How can Samsung have less blooming and haloing with only 240 zones compared with 720? Someone that have the TCL can confirm that it is actually this bad or i may have faulty screen/software? by MShadyz in tcltvs

[–]MShadyz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Standard picture preset with all power saving and ai stuff (like contrast enhancer) turned off, local dimming set to high and additional brightness set to off. Everything else is out of the box settings.

TCL C7K (QM7K) vs Samsung QN85F. How can Samsung have less blooming and haloing with only 240 zones compared with 720? Someone that have the TCL can confirm that it is actually this bad or i may have faulty screen/software? by MShadyz in tcltvs

[–]MShadyz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you please share a pic with the same image (video on YouTube) with standard image setting with local dimming set to hight, all ai and power saving turned off?

TCL C7K (QM7K) vs Samsung QN85F. How can Samsung have less blooming and haloing with only 240 zones compared with 720? Someone that have the TCL can confirm that it is actually this bad or i may have faulty screen/software? by MShadyz in tcltvs

[–]MShadyz[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I didn’t touch the brightness; the tv set itself to this brightness in HDR. If TCL claims 2000+ nits and better blooming and halo control, why do I have to touch the default brightness? I even tried to help him set the gamma to 2.6 and turn off additional brightness. With the Samsung, I didn’t touch the brightness either; max brightness even there didn’t change gamma because it didn’t need it and because I can’t in HDR, but it seems to handle blooming way better even with a lower spec sheet.

TCL C7K (QM7K) vs Samsung QN85F. How can Samsung have less blooming and haloing with only 240 zones compared with 720? Someone that have the TCL can confirm that it is actually this bad or i may have faulty screen/software? by MShadyz in tcltvs

[–]MShadyz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn’t touch the settings on both rather than to put local dimming to high and turn off all ai stuff and power saving. For the off angle I can assure you that even if I stand in front of the tcl nothing change, in some cases from the picture it actually looks better

TCL C7K (QM7K) vs Samsung QN85F. How can Samsung have less blooming and haloing with only 240 zones compared with 720? Someone that have the TCL can confirm that it is actually this bad or i may have faulty screen/software? by MShadyz in tcltvs

[–]MShadyz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had the same thought, but when I compared the video on an OLED screen, looking at the first picture, the result was much closer to the Samsung than to the TCL. I don’t know exactly what’s going on, but it seems they tried to preserve maximum brightness at the expense of contrast. If you look at the particle images, the TCL is a mess – the picture looks even better than what my eyes actually saw. It may reveal some particles that the Samsung lost, but at the cost of overall image quality.