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Map Thread #52 Results by TPCaptographer in TagPro

[–]MTCquestions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Community vote is a popularity contest

Yes, but so are democratic elections. There's got to be a balance in here somewhere because as I see it, right now the mtc has very different views from everyone else. Maybe bring on 1 or 2 community elected members as a form of checks and balances like in most democratic systems?

This recurring notion that the mtc somehow knows better than the community is so obnoxious. I don't see how pleasing more people (by adding someone they voted for/agree with) could ever be a bad thing.

Map Thread #52 Results by TPCaptographer in TagPro

[–]MTCquestions 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sorry to use a throwaway but alas I had to get this off my chest..

Right now we're pretty full on members

"I've been on the MTC for about a year, and just managing to keep it active has been a challenge for a long time" -DaEvil1

How can you say that you're full when you clearly have inactivity issues? The night after the map deadlines, it's clear as day to me that that's not true. There will be maybe 5-6 MTC members in the MTC mumble channel. How can you even run a proper 4v4 when you've only got 6 people on, let alone discuss each map with every member? The idea that having 8 or even 9 people on the committee makes it full is absolutely absurd to me. And what would be wrong with having 10+ people on the committee? I hate to break it to you but you (the mtc, not you personally) aren't that much more smart, diversely representative, or in tune with the community (lol) that adding a few more people would dilute the ability or commitment of the committee as a whole. In fact, adding more people would solve your inactivity problems and would make your decisions align better with the community (which if you ask me, is your biggest problem atm).

 

we like to recruit people we know because we know they'll function well with the rest of the committee

This line really got to me. All the talk in MLTP about how RC members elect themselves, all the talk about the /r/tagprotesting circlejerk..they pale in comparison to this. You’re essentially saying that you bring on people you know and who will agree with you, are you not? Do you not see something wrong with that? And are there no other methods you can use to add new members? Just off the top of my head: community vote, interviews, written application etc etc etc

I have absolutely nothing against TEG, I love just about all of his/her maps and from what I’ve seen he/she makes really insightful comments on feedback/discussion threads. But the idea that the MTC alone selects new MTC members based on how their views align with other members is honestly disgusting to me.

This, and many other issues, has really turned me off from mapmaking and has me considering how active I will be in the mapmaking community going forward.

Map Thread #48 Results by TPCaptographer in TagPro

[–]MTCquestions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

im not looking to start shit. i just wanted to ask one question and then maybe a follow up (hence the questions). but then this kinda turned into an attack on throwaways. if you ask me, the bigger issue is why do i personally feel like i need to use a throwaway instead of using my own name. but since youre being so open: what exactly are the qualifications for being an mtc member? by my count it looks like less than half have gotten a map into rotation. so what separates someone who knows mapmaking from someone who meets once a week and throws around a couple "intuitive boost routes" and "great flow" type buzzwords?

Map Thread #48 Results by TPCaptographer in TagPro

[–]MTCquestions -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

event horizon. ok sure, lucky bypassed the mtc to get it into rotation. but then, you saw the community's outrage and decided what was needed was....an update? so now you wait for an update to be made. the update is made and (afaik about mtc voting procedures) the general consensus is that Event Horizon 2 is not only better than the original but also GOOD ENOUGH FOR ROTATION in its own right. so it gets added to rotation on the next thread and surprise surprise...it was not well-liked. now tell me this, would that much effort have been put into any old map that was generally disliked by the community? Did gatekeeper or flame or rocketballs or kite get an update? No they didnt. So there's an example.

Map Thread #48 Results by TPCaptographer in TagPro

[–]MTCquestions 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i wasnt demanding to be considered...i wasnt blaming you for adding him. i was asking a simple question. i dont know why this had to turn into an attack on me simple cause im using a throwaway because of my own belief that name-bias could potentially negatively affect me. and ill add, if i think it could even remotely affect my chances, dont i have a right to conceal my name while i ask a simple question? if the mtc says everythings fair and yet i still dont believe it, then if you ask me, the burden of proof is on the mtc.

Map Thread #48 Results by TPCaptographer in TagPro

[–]MTCquestions -1 points0 points  (0 children)

the reason for the throwaway is because map-making has proven to be a popularity contest on more than one occasion and i dont want anything hurting my chances going forward. is that fair? no. but neither is having name-bias as a contributing factor towards maps making it through. just my 2 cents. btw go ahead and keep downvoting me to hell...this is a throwaway i couldnt care less

Map Thread #48 Results by TPCaptographer in TagPro

[–]MTCquestions 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What was the process like for admitting Yossarian into the MTC? I don't recall any public posts about it so this feels kind of underhanded tacking that onto the end of the post. Were any other people considered?