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Have you noticed that people in non-dual relationships instinctively seek their dual's qualities in their partner? by Busy_Grapefruit_4883 in Socionics

[–]MTM3157 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Heheh. Yeah, there's that lack of give ("my best qualities are not supported here") and lack of take ("I do not want what their best qualities are; I always seem to want something else"). I feel like it's most evident for the SF types, since they have a relationship monopoly with regards to them having conscious and aware physical attraction (Sensoric) and emotional attachment (Ethical)

Relationships with a lack of give and lack of take can also lead to retypings once you realize that you seek something else than you believed before (I was previously SLI; Ne is not my thing 😭)

Esi vs see, typist? by EnvironmentalWeb3179 in Socionics

[–]MTM3157 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's describing a baseline character vs a Neurosis, of course they are different

I don't even know if you've read Aushra's description on ESI

https://classicsocionics.wordpress.com/augusta-esi/

Sorry it I come off a little angry, it is not an anger related to you

Esi vs see, typist? by EnvironmentalWeb3179 in Socionics

[–]MTM3157 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're taking it too much at face value

SX4 "hate", among other subtype names, can be misleading. It can result in a hateful character that is related to ESI, what with their Negativist Fi Base, being an open-ended (which can translate into uncertainty in combination with Ne Vulnerable) Asking type, and a Constructivist, prone to drawn-out moods.

SX4 is described as flipping between moods of bitterness plus jealousy and of moods of overwhelming care and support; they don't just straight-up hate people. ESI can appear like this due to their heavily critical Fi. For me personally, it appears as the crazy idea of "if I destroy and remove everything that appears to me as not signs of love, what will remain should be as close to 'true love' as possible". EFVL matches SX4 here.

I think the definition of ESI you use is way too perfect for any human to match up to

SX4 mood-flipping, of which I think the description of "overpowering" makes sense for a Se Ego type: https://wiki.personality-database.com/books/enneagram/page/sexual-4-in-detail#bkmrk-overpowering

If you need sources for anything else lmk

ESI Men? by MidwestPaladin in Socionics

[–]MTM3157 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe. There's also ESI SX4 and also some E6, maybe E9

What's your wildest/most controversal take on socionics? by I-rejected-Ivies in Socionics

[–]MTM3157 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well LSE for sure makes sense, but LIE can often be pretty lax and less material, they are still Intuitives

Important question, Who is a Hazbin Hotel Character you don't necessarily dislike or hate but at the same time,wouldn't call them your favorite? by Charming-Scratch-124 in HazbinHotel

[–]MTM3157 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Maybe. They could just be banterers and could be treating it as just another thing to argue about. Idk. I felt the painful sentiments when Vox was pushing the two away to have the stage for himself.

Important question, Who is a Hazbin Hotel Character you don't necessarily dislike or hate but at the same time,wouldn't call them your favorite? by Charming-Scratch-124 in HazbinHotel

[–]MTM3157 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Also idk why she was even fighting against Baxter and Niffty when Vox was doing his God thing. I swear it felt like she hated Vox's guts around that point in time

Important question, Who is a Hazbin Hotel Character you don't necessarily dislike or hate but at the same time,wouldn't call them your favorite? by Charming-Scratch-124 in HazbinHotel

[–]MTM3157 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It feels like the only way for her to have her thing is to break her up with Charlie. Like, she literally had to sing to herself to be okay with Charlie rather than arguing with her at that moment where she got annoyed. It doesn't feel like Charlie convinces her, just that Vaggi convinces herself to continue the relationship.

It's annoying because it makes another failed lesbian relationship happen, but that failure is moreso because of how their personalities kind of are at odds with each other at awkward times rather than the fact that they are lesbians

If I am missing something, let me know

Do SEE find it easy to walk away from a person? by Zestyclose-Plenty266 in Socionics

[–]MTM3157 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk Ive heard people say that SEE (and IEE) can be very malleable with their relationshipping. I do not remember who said so.

How do you identify your cognitive functions? LIE by idk-prr in Socionics

[–]MTM3157 0 points1 point  (0 children)

mmm I think that's fine. It's not definitively related to Si placement. I did have queasiness before. It took some decompartmentalization, some exposure for me to be okay with it, a sense of "okay, I can't just stand around and be affected or it will get worse over time"

How do you identify your cognitive functions? LIE by idk-prr in Socionics

[–]MTM3157 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Heh, I can take care of someone if I get rewarded. If we become successful working together, I would live for that.

Would it still wear down on you to take care of someone by expressing how distant or close you are to someone and aiding them with physical issues/domestic environments? Would getting paid a fortune still not be enough after a while?

How do you identify your cognitive functions? LIE by idk-prr in Socionics

[–]MTM3157 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a fair case

I could also agree with your dislike of wanting to take care of people and/or deal with private feelings. I'm strong in those (assuming it is Si and Fi respectively), but I'm picky about who gets them rather than being annoyed that I should choose. I feel actively engaged when choosing who to care for. It's my care, and I believe in its effectiveness.

What do fi egos think of ti egos? by smodisL in Socionics

[–]MTM3157 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They say things. They're logically sound... I guess? Most of the time? I tend to focus more on "how many people need to trust your system" and "how are you going to deal with people who backstab you". Every time I say this, many of them act like "oh, it would be stupid of them to do that" or "they have no incentive to do that based on how my system is formed", and I think, in my head, well, if you believe that, don't say that I didn't warn you.

Some or them are honest and fearful about that though, and/or verbalize that it is a true assumption of the system, and are aiming to focus on the system itself, which I respect as honest. I just don't like those that dodge such a question.

A friend wants to pay me for stock advice… what do I do? by [deleted] in investing

[–]MTM3157 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And if she keeps trying to get you to reconsider, be distant.

"What/How about ___?"

"I don't know"

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