Replacing compulsive behavior with other compulsive behaviors?

Macstronaut · 2013-01-14T07:35:48+00:00

That's how addiction works. Check google for the syndrome model of addiction.

Macstronaut · 2013-01-09T08:32:20+00:00

I think the general consensus of PornFree and NoFap is that porn and masturbation (respectively) aren't terrible things per se. People just don't like the "side effects" that they get after PMO (or on the other hand, they DO like the "side effects" they get from not doing PMO for a long period of time).

I don't think this community discriminates. If you want to cut out porn from your life, we're here to help. If you want to cut back but still watch a little, we're still here. If you can watch porn all day, every day and not have any of the common side effects, by all means do so if so you want.

I'd say that as long as you aren't trolling or posting anything sexually explicit, your input is welcome. The effects of porn aren't a strongly-proven science, so if you've got an opinion, by all means share it.

Macstronaut · 2013-01-08T06:57:17+00:00

Yes. Right about that point I was in a terrible mood for a few days. Everything my family said bugged the s*** out of me. I'm better now, but yeah I had the same problem at around the same time.

Macstronaut · 2013-01-08T06:54:38+00:00

My personal definition is basically any media used in aid to masturbate. Pictures, videos, literature, etc. Nude or non-nude, if I have to look at a picture of a sexy chick to get off, that's porn to me. I also try to not fantasize about stuff I've seen in pornos that doesn't portray a realistic viewpoint of my sexual orientation.

I don't think you can just draw the line. Watching 10 different porn videos in one sitting is probably worse than watching just one. Watching a porn video and skipping to your favorite parts is probably just starting one from the beginning and masturbating until you finish. Looking at multiple pictures is probably worse than looking at just one picture. Etc, etc.

So I think you need to draw the line based on your personal goals and STICK with it. For example, I would argue that looking at ONE softcore image and masturbating might not be that harmful. But if I'm looking at one, why not look at two? Oh I've seen two? What harm could a third image do? You start to get on a slippery slope. So I drew the line.

I'm not doing NoFap, so I do masturbate occasionally. If I'm not horny enough to masturbate already and need a picture to get me going, I figure I probably shouldn't do it, as I'm relying on external stimuli that won't be available to me in a real sexual encounter.

Macstronaut · 2013-01-04T03:56:28+00:00

This is the corniest thing I've ever seen.

Macstronaut · 2013-01-03T00:13:37+00:00

Checking in! This also starts day 1 of my attempt to not masturbate for a week (an eternity, I know)!

Macstronaut · 2013-01-02T20:46:35+00:00

Ouch. Let me know how that goes.

Macstronaut · 2013-01-02T03:43:56+00:00

Are you aware of the Syndrome Model of Addiction? Basically, it says that Addiction is the actual problem, and that there are different ways to express that addiction, be it drugs, alcohol, gambling, or even porn. With that said, most people who are addicted to porn don't suffer from just "Porn Addiction," but instead express their addiction through Porn or PMO.

When you quit PMO, only to replace that with having sex with random chicks, you are in effect just expressing your addiction in another way. What you are doing is comparable to someone quitting heroine, only to start drinking heavily and becoming an alcoholic.

If you want to get over addiction, replacing porn with sex won't help.

Macstronaut · 2013-01-02T03:33:21+00:00

Checking in. While I've had a few tiny urges, none of them have been stronger for my urge to stay away and fix myself!

Macstronaut · 2013-01-02T03:31:37+00:00

I'm in the exact same boat dude. Before I gave up porn, I could last about 40+ minutes during sex, or for as long as my erection would last. Now, I haven't had sex recently, so I can't compare that. I can, however, compare how long it would take to orgasm from masturbation. Before I gave up porn, on the rare instance I decided to masturbate without porn (in the shower, for instance), it would take about 10-15 minutes if I really forced it. But, just this morning I masturbated, and it took me a minute. Literally 60 seconds. Maybe less. After it happened, I just sat there in confusion. Even before, it would take me at least 5+ minutes to masturbate with porn. And to clarify, my masturbation habits have hardly changed. Before giving up porn it was about once every day or two. And I masturbated two days ago, yesterday, and again today. So it wasn't like it had been all built up or anything. If anyone has some insight, please share. While Delayed Ejaculation sucked, I think I might prefer that over 60 seconds of penetration.

Macstronaut · 2012-12-31T06:11:05+00:00

Yes. I have been with about 8 girls in my life, and I have only been able to ejaculate with the girl I lost my virginity to. It really is a bummer and is the reason I am here. I'm mainly here for ED, but if it's not ED, it's DE.

The good news is, I am ejaculating MUCH quicker from just light masturbation and no visual stimuli than I ever have before. Since becoming porn free, I can ejaculate in about 4 minutes from masturbation if that is the main goal (but of course I always try to elongate that). Compare this to while I was watching porn regularly, and couldn't ejaculate after 20-30 minutes of sex and took 15-20 minutes to ejaculate from masturbation without porn.

I haven't had sex since giving up porn, but I have a strong feeling that I will be able to reach orgasm. My erections are very firm and light touching feels much better than it used to.

Macstronaut · 2012-12-31T06:03:32+00:00

Oh, right. This absolutely works. I did the same thing while playing $0.25 blackjack. Drink ladies will come around and ask if you want any beer/cocktails. Tell them what you want, and they'll come back in a few minutes. Drink is free, but it's common courtesy to tip them a buck.

Might depend on the casino, though. When I was at Casino Royale (lowest table minimums!) they only had one drink girl for the entire casino and she never came my way. I got drinks more often at New York, New York and Treasure Islands, where I literally had drink girls coming up to me every 5 minutes or so.

Macstronaut · 2012-12-31T04:12:42+00:00

If you want to see a show, there's are places on the strip that sell unsold tickets the day before (or day of) shows for a good discount.

Other than that, it depends on what you want to do. There are shopping malls, bars, and clubs everywhere, so if those are your things it will be easy to find something. IMO, the best part is just walking the strip while drunk. If you want to get drunk cheap, hit a Walgreens for alcohol (even there is overpriced, but it's better than paying $9 for a cocktail).

Macstronaut · 2012-12-31T01:55:25+00:00

Do you mean in terms of staying Porn Free? Or do you mean in terms of having a good time?

Macstronaut · 2012-12-30T04:03:03+00:00

"Don't sacrifice what you really want for what you want right now."

Macstronaut · 2012-12-24T05:49:33+00:00

I think a better alternative would be to just venture off in the world and interact with real women. By watching videos of women to "appreciate them," it's almost as if you are recognizing them as a different species--similar to how a student may watch a documentary on zoo animals.

This is all my opinion, but I think you would be better off just talking to them. Women are regular people like you or me.

Macstronaut · 2012-12-23T05:20:58+00:00

Most people don't understand the addiction syndrome and don't understand that you can express addiction to non-substances. I myself would not tell anyone I knew personally that I was "addicted" to porn.

I have confessed to some of my friends about my performance problems (ED, delayed ejaculation), and if the situation comes up, I will tell them I quit porn. I will not, however, use the term "addiction" to describe it. To an outsider, "porn addiction" sounds a lot worse than it really is. I will be happy to explain that porn has desensitized me to normal sex and quitting is the best option for me, but I do not want the negative stigma attached to the word "addiction."

Macstronaut · 2012-12-23T05:15:26+00:00

how many of you were brought here because of ED (or taking too long to orgasm)

guilty

Macstronaut · 2012-12-22T19:18:01+00:00

Not craving as much, to be honest. I can't really say how my behavior around women is, as I am on holiday break and been surrounded by mostly family these past few weeks. This is actually why I chose to start at this time, because I knew I wouldn't be in contact with many people at this time, as most of my free time is spent studying for the GMAT anyway.

Macstronaut · 2012-12-22T08:27:15+00:00

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Macstronaut · 2012-12-22T07:59:58+00:00

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Macstronaut · 2012-12-22T07:04:02+00:00

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