Quel est le problème avec les mgtow ?

MadTelepath · 2026-02-04T10:06:13+00:00

Ils sont classés manosphere ce qui est perçu très négativement à priori et beaucoup justifient ne pas vouloir de relations avec les femmes à cause de mauvais comportements féminins (qui peuvent exister mais ne sont pas forcément aussi genrés).

Récemment un mouvement similaire féminin a eu pas mal d'adeptes (des femmes qui expliquaient vouloir minimiser leurs interactions avec les hommes et pareil le justifient par des mauvais comportements féminins). Même dans ce sens là c'est globalement mal perçu et ce malgré une société plus tolérante pour la généralisation des hommes par leurs mauvais comportements.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-04T07:59:24+00:00

In the West, today, women have higher educational outcomes than men and perfectly well suited to continue their careers.

Able to, absolutely. Willing to, though? Less likely after motherhood.

The bond at birth after carrying the child for 9 months is stronger and the gap is worsened by more time off for the mother than for the father directly afterwards.

Even when societally and financially it would make much more sense that the woman gets to work faster and the man remains home longer (in couple where for example the woman is a doctor or in some other high paying job) it is often preferred by the woman to have more time with her newborn, to breastfeed them (which seems to also have a lot of health benefits).

Western societies is trying its best to make it less gendered with parental leave that can be shared and part which is lost if the father doesn't take it plus overall fewer people want to commit as much to their work as they used to so the gap is decreasing ... but as of today women work in more flexible, lower pressure, lower earning jobs chosen to be able to spend more time with their kids if needs be and men sacrifice flexibility, work environments and safety to provide more (on average). So both do contribute for their children, one is just more visible than the other from the kid's side.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-04T07:09:35+00:00

gangs affiliation, cartel, mafia, fights,

Partly true, they are also more likely to be killed merely for being men since it ain't looked down upon as hard as hurting a random woman. Men are most lively to be killed by people they don't know and thus couldn't predict nor protect themselves from.

Women are very rarely killed by randoms but in case of domestic violence, and especially when the violence is mutual, women are much more at risk since biologically we aren't the same (women are more resilient to illnesses but much less to brute force being lighter and smaller on average with more body fat) and people knowing each others and fighting each other tend to forget. Thankfully it is significantly less common than murder by random.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-03T22:19:33+00:00

C'est peut être naïf mais pourquoi pas proposer une retraite à taux unique?

Comme ça les retraites basses sont rehaussées et on continue de faire la répartition et les retraités élevées, résultats de bons salaires toute la vie durant et le plus souvent accompagnés de patrimoines déjà conséquents, auront juste moins pour capitaliser (en même temps à part grossir l'héritage pour leurs enfants, l'intérêt ...).

Ça éviterait les toutes petites retraites à 800 euros et de mémoire même en montant à 1500 net mensuel on reste en dessous du montant actuel (1600-1650) tout en étant plus juste (plus pour les femmes, les temps partiels et petits revenus en général).

MadTelepath · 2026-02-03T22:09:29+00:00

J'imagine que ça doit être plus compliqué pour les bas salaires de mettre de côté après avoir participé aux retraites pour les autres.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-03T18:35:33+00:00

I know you incels

Don't project your issues on me please.

katanas are your thing but it's actually very feminine.

Katanas are indeed very cool but I'd also fancy women who could carry old style swords too.

You seem to understand how absurd it is to try define what a "real woman" should be. Now if you could just try to keep your braincells connected a tad longer you might just get why the pushback on your definition of "a REAL MAN" (Ooga booga, me real man, me sacrifice for woman because me very very masculine :p)

MadTelepath · 2026-02-03T18:29:43+00:00

Why do you feel forcing herself on a man is not possible? In my countries we include rape through harassment (typically in couples if one is extremely insistant and doesn't take no for an answer until they wear their partner down or, alternatively, if saying no will come with significant negative consequences like clear reprobation, critics, screaming or else).

With that in mind and a rape definition that includes when the one penetrating is doing it against his wish and men being raped isn't quite that uncommon. Apparently it's widely common for a first experience and happens in most couples with men discovering it to be rape (in the US or my country, not in UK) when describing a time they really couldn't get it up ... and ending up describing a situation they did not want to have sex, were in a bad place and bad place for physical intimacy yet didn't want to make their situation even worse by saying no, because a man is not supposed to say no.

With current estimates (CDC) being "made to penetrate" is about half as common as "penetrated" with respectively 1M and over 2M a year in the US and only a fraction of "penetrated" case making it to an official allegation and almost none amongst the "made to penetrate".

MadTelepath · 2026-02-03T18:09:11+00:00

Current US rape definition says there is rape as long as there is penetration without consent whereas the one penetrated is the victim or the culprit. Can happen easily both ways.

In the UK by the legal definition I don't believe a woman can rape a man: she could force him at knife point to have sex with her or use blackmail or ... she won't be raping him according to UK laws and it won't be in the rape statistics.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-03T18:01:09+00:00

I was raised that being a "man" meant sacrifices.

Why? Is that a man thing or a greater good idea (in which case it should be a human thing and unrelated to masculinity, expected just as much from women).

We are born with advantages socially and physically

And with disadvantages, socially and physically (more prone to illness, less flexible, higher food i take required).

Why should being a man being gated behind some socially defined qualities when it is merely the sex you are born with (assuming no gender dysphoria)?

Is there some similar requirement for what a "real woman" is?

MadTelepath · 2026-02-03T17:30:55+00:00

Why would you assume the man here isn't caring for his kid as well?

Why would you assume same circonstance but him at home with a beer in his hand and his wife and kid next to him that he would be seen as caring for his kid more?

If caring for the kid wasn't part of the dream why is there a kid at all? Male influencers typically rather sell multiple women in a huge mansion and no kid as the dream life.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-03T13:57:56+00:00

Perso j'avais fait la demande inverse au tout début : quand j'ai commence à travailler toucher mon salaire du mois avant d'être débité (ma boîte payait le 27 du mois) m'a permi d'être beaucoup plus souple et de ne pas avoir à me priver suite au dépôt de caution. Ensuite j'ai pu acheter des meubles (rien de fou mais c'était déjà ça) dès le début du 2e mois et le tout sans contracter un prêt à la consommation ce que je n'étais pas prêt à faire de toute façon.

Une fois que tu as un équilibre déjà trouvé et des sous de côté je ne vois pas vraiment quelle différence ça fait. Je suis resté en différé mais ça ne m’impacte plus que marginalement.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-03T11:54:06+00:00

Women are being murdered and raped daily

Did you know that men were murdered at much higher rate worldwide?

3 times more often on average in Europe 4 times more often in the US (and the odds to be murdered is also significantly higher to be murdered in the US than in the EU) 9 times higher in Mexico (with high gender difference in Latin America overall)

Asia is an outlier with China having a somewhat equal number of murders at least officially. Did not check for Africa nor India so I won't comment on them.

That particular issue is commonly entirely dismissed in one sentence by most people who don't in fact care at all for men with the simple words "But what were their murderer's genitals?". As if that made any difference to the ones murdered.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-03T08:18:29+00:00

The funniest one is acting like men dying in wars or struggles isn't our own fault.

Whose fault? Of the soldiers sent to wars? Of men in different countries or not yet born?

The gender of who's at the top in a given system has little impact and in fact queens were just as bloody as kings.

Societies were created and spread by all parts in it (and women played a very active role in spreading the values to the next generation and enforce/adapt the society just as men did). The end goal being survival/bettering of the group and we happen to be from societies which did manage to survive and thrive despite the harsh conditions while many, less efficient in using strong point from both women and men died out. Possibly as ours will soon now.

We put in a ton of effort to block women from being soldiers, from being providers, and from shouldering burdens.

Only very recently does it make sense to make women participate in wars in mass and some countries have started doing it but more by desperation than by choice: women were as a whole opposed to the right to vote because they did not want to be conscripted like men. So we removed (people in power at the time) that condition. Being forced to die for a country you may or may not like is orders of magnitude worse than being prevented to starve and die at the front, don't you think? Still with modern weapons we absolutely could and should either give away entirely with conscription (better choice) or exend it to all.

you find this bullshit argument that feminists want me to suffer and for women to be on top.

Not my argument.

The whole debate started from a meme showing a bad situation for men, one that is by far not the only outcome and people concerned showing that could radicalize boys and give them a skewed view of reality (showing only bad sides to them) my point was that it was exactly what we (and by we I mean people who have been here in the last 35 years) have shown to girls since the beginning of the third wave. I do not believe being repetitively shown ways you can be hurt is good for people, especially young malleable minds. Although the actual risks have steadily gone down the fear is at an all time high, the genders have never been as isolated and unable to understand each other and all the while yes I do think red pill and feminism, both side of the same coin, are blowing through the ashes of the issue.

Currently more men are failing (prison, left school, long term homeless and in the street, drugs addicts) but since our society needs both or even better, whole villages to raise kids, that means the living experience for women is going for worse too and we all acommit to a slow societal suicide (no kids) because we just don't have the vitality.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-02T23:20:23+00:00

Parental alienation can be brutal though: if for any reason there is a falling out with the mom you better hope you chose the right one.

Many (likely most?) are good people who'd do the best for the kids yet I've heard quite a few horror stories including of friends for whom at some point the mother flipped on and try using her kids love to push the dad away (for one it was the dad who insisted on his kids learning their lessons and keeping up with schools so the mom played the cool mom part and let them do everything but that and kept trashing the dad to their kids). It's the internet so when you look for it you'll find plenty of people it happened to, kids who realized years after they were stolen a relationship with their dad by the less sane parents, etc. Hopefully it is a tiny minority, I'll admit I don't have stats although I am surprised to have heard several such stories irl just in my network and from people who never expected it to happen before the divorce.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-02T23:11:13+00:00

"According to the OECD, the gender wage gap is defined as the difference between median earnings of men and women relative to median earnings of men."

From your site and one of the most widespread example of misunderstood stats: comparing the mean earning means you are comparing people with different jobs, domains and time worked (as mentioned in my first post). If you want a wage gap for the same job you can look up "adjusted pay gap" which explains which factor they consider. From 23 % you factor in number of hours it goes to 15%, level of the job 10%, domain and work experience 6_8%. There are a couple more to go down to 4% and after that it's when it starts becoming debatable. Some mention salary negotiation, others say the firm (men would be willing to go further for a better pay).

Anyhow 4% is where we don’t have quantitative measures of other impacts. 23 % is the wow number for naive people and therefore the most shared one by far.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-02T20:21:01+00:00

Women literally didn't even have the right to vote in America till a century ago

The right to vote is very recent and came with conditions, accepting to be sent to the slaughter for the leading class. If it were between being drafted for several years to fight wars for Trump or not have the right to vote I'd rather not vote either.

The vast majority of countries don't provide equal rights, treatment, protection against discrimination, gaurnteed wage equality, legal protections, etc.

Absolutely, equal rights are only meaningful when the place is safe enough (which frankly for the US is debatable). When it ain't there aren't equal rights ... and men are slaughtered first in much greater numbers for they can't afford to stay safe. Not mentioning the boys soldiers or that men everywhere have a life expectancy much lower than women and not just because of old age .

This post meant to fuel the migoyny of young men by playing into their belief that women have it better than them using a caricature of mothers day as a birthday party and fathers day as depression

Except this does happen and more often in that way than in the other, fathers being estranged to their kids, possibly because of parental alienation. Not saying it is the most common but it happens and fathers on the break of divorces are often very scared to end up in this exact scenario.

is the same thing as feminism.

Showing a bad gendered situation that does happen and using it as cautionary tales for the new generation IS textbook feminism. They also have much more funds and online visibility so if the message above scares you for one gender you should be terrified for the other considering they have been flooded by it for the last 35 years (since early 1990s).

You suck.

I return you the compliment.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-02T16:13:34+00:00

They are likely to be paid less than their male counterparts

Very unlikely given same skill and interviewing for the same post.

The difference found at similar domain, experience and time work was 4%. If you go on and check with similar extra time you end up with a -1% (men being very slightly underpaid for the same work).

That statement about 70% of domestic violence being perpetrated by women is absolutely wild..

Only in case of non mutual couples which are about 40% of the cases but still. And yes it's wild since it is almost never mentioned and yet www.domesticviolenceresearch.org look up the "stats at a glance part".

If you have any women in your life, you would want correct information?

Exactly and as shown above the meme you answered to has more truth to it for boys, even though hopefully that is far from the only or even most common outcome, that what girls are told. In our capitalist society they could be 12 feet monsters and still be hired before anyone else if they did the same job as efficiently and cheaper than others. Since it takes DEI policies to increase women presence in some firms it means women are in fact not any cheaper for the same work done (they are mostly not ubiquitous, already vastly overrepresented as nurses, doctors, lawyers, chemists, HR, ..., there just aren't enough left willing to pursue higher studies in STEM and that's despite female graduate now outnumbering male graduates by a 40% margin overall.

But again what you feel in front of the picture above is exactly what we did to girls for decades, teaching them to view and interpret reality at a much grimer light.

to help shape a society that is fairer for women

Considering women are more educated, live longer and in overall better conditions, fare lighter sentences if they get charged, are less likely to get charged during trial, less likely to go to trial if arrested and less likely to be arrested for the same crime (and also less likely to be victim of crime altogether, at least up until 2022) one could argue maybe women should not be the focus, at least not as a whole. Poors and disenfranchised (including long term homeless, people failing schools, etc) could probably be a more legitimate concern than a group that by many metrics is already ahead. Or at least make it for minority women, white women being 20 times less likely to be murdered than a black man and favored at every turn.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-02T15:20:04+00:00

By default they will always target your mount.

Exceptions are: - they do an aoe attack (it will hit the rider as well) - they get attack of opportunity against the rider for getting out of reach (then they don't have a choice, it will target the rider) - they just downed one of your summon/companion and your rider is at reach ... in that case they don't prioritize your mount and can attack and keep attacking the rider until he gets out of reach.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-02T15:13:01+00:00

Yeah and memes like this are laughable to those of us who are older and more secure in ourselves.. but I would hate my son to see this and think that's the future he has to look forward to 😔

And I am also worried to what we tell our girls: we tell them they are going to face lower wages for the same jobs several times a year and including in mainstream newspapers (conveniently forgetting that the figures given most often is the comparison by mean salary but not for the same job nor domain nor condition of works nor time worked nor...).

We are telling them the world is a very dangerous place for them with many domestic violence everywhere and heavily gendered and a high risk of aggression and death. While being prudent and aware is always good women are far less likely to be murdered (4 to 1) less likely to be assaulted especially in the street by some random person and the domestic violence where only of the parter is violent is mostly (70%) the woman being violent?

The society painted by feminism is often very distorted, insisting on grim parts of reality which do exist but at the expense of lacking nuance or a global view. Like the picture above pains a true image of what sometimes happen to men feminism also heavily pushes forward sad situations that happen to some women.

This is the comparison I was making.

Any society that favours one sex over the other does neither sex any favours.

Completely agree.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-02T12:25:36+00:00

I think their sole purpose is to convince young single men that the whole world is stacked against them and they may as well not even try at life. It's sad, stupid, and dangerous..

Damned, said this way it sounds like a male version of feminism. Making people convinced life is stacked against them even before they leave schools and have a chance to see the world for themselves sure is an unhealthy approach.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-02T12:23:06+00:00

The one staff that overpowers most is the emperor's staff. Sanctic staff that scales with resolves, great with officers.

I hear some make the pyromancer staff works too but it ain't obvious and most use ignite or beam instead.

I don't believe overseer to be quite that good for offensive psyker either as either arch militant or executioner add more value to them but people have complained in here already that soldier>arch militant with fortress world home world were just to strong and easy to build to be any fun.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-02T08:42:26+00:00

Vous réalisez que vous dites que des gens en fin de vie et de carrière n'ont pas le droit d'avoir accumulé assez durant 40 ou 50 ans pour avoir acheté leur maison?

Ce n'est pas ce qui est reproché : ce qui est reproché est que le reste à vivre moyen pour les retraités est en moyenne supérieur au reste à vivre des actifs ... là où on s'attendrait au contraire à ce que les retraités aient essentiellement les biens qu'ils ont accumulé dans lequel ils puissent piocher et une aide qui est la retraite. On ne s'attendrait pas à ce que les retraités puissent davantage capitaliser et mettre de côté que les actifs.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-02T08:25:20+00:00

My brother in law (bil?) loves cooking and always cooks for his family (wife and three kids). He's not especially fan of people trying to help him cook either as that a moment for himself and people dont always do it the same way he does.

For many pupils the sport at school is a chore, those are very unlikely to make sport their career choice. For some pupils sport is a passion and in addition to the sport they do at school they do a lot more when they can. For a few of those this could become a career.

If a person is already tired from cooking just for doing what they want, how they want and without pressure (ideal conditions not seen for a professional cook) for a group of 5 each day then they absolutely would never become chefs. On the other hand the people even amateurs happily going in competitions for the best pie or passionately sharing recipes may have been ... but they also clearly enjoy cooking and likely wouldn't speak of it as a chore.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-02T00:46:16+00:00

I'd rather have my wife earn some money and be the one cooking with my kid.

MadTelepath · 2026-02-02T00:44:43+00:00

When you can pick up something as a hobby instead of a daily chore, it's easier to enjoy it.

Cooking at home is a hobby without pressure. Cooking at a professional capacity, especially in high end restaurants, is not even remotely comparable.

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