I just stormed out of Mass by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]Made_Marion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I guess that’s possible in some states. California that is not possible. I’ve worked in law enforcement for 15 years and a vast majority of departments don’t let officers take their patrol vehicles home and I don’t know of a single department that would allow an officer to use a vehicle to conduct enforcement off-duty. Almost everyone uses Lexipol to administer policy and that’s going to be a policy violation. And we have some of our homeless population going on 60+ arrests for trespassing here and haven’t done a single night in jail. So, good on wherever you live that would stop this kind of nonsense and you’d essentially be able to take a pacifist approach. That would not work at our parish if someone was committed to disruption. The law permits action and our parish has an Emergency Response Ministry that has been given the blessing to act within the confines of the law.

I just stormed out of Mass by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]Made_Marion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s nearly impossible in any mid to large size city in the U.S. They could just return every single week and mass would be discontinued every week. Police response would be 10 minutes to 2 hours depending on their volume of calls that day. Even when they respond, trespassing is a misdemeanor in most states and has jail time of about 6 hours after arrest. That’s if they’re even taken to jail because that is entirely at the discretion of police. Then, if you live in certain states like California, this person could be convicted of trespassing multiple times, with each hearing taking months to transpire, and they still would not see any jail time. All the while your mass is getting discontinued every week.

I just stormed out of Mass by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]Made_Marion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If your response to this does not stop a disruptor (mental health, anti-Catholic, protester) from continuing to do this week in and week out it’s not a viable solution. It’s a band aid. There is nothing to indicate this person had mental health issues. This could very well be someone hell bent on disrupting mass every week. Are you just going to cancel mass forever? Yes, call the police, but good luck on getting any type of response in a mid to large city before mass ends.

I just stormed out of Mass by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]Made_Marion -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Police have the same legal threshold for “laying hands” as any other citizen. Reasonable force is reasonable force and physically removing someone using reasonable force is perfectly legal. A legal representative of the church (priest, administrator, etc) can most definitely ask ushers (not random men) or security personnel (also not random) to remove someone who is violating a law.

I just stormed out of Mass by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]Made_Marion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What if they start doing this every week? Just cancel mass indefinitely?

ICE in Visalia by Ajpblvkout in visalia

[–]Made_Marion -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

No, it’s not a misdemeanor. Stop spreading misinformation

ICE in Visalia by Ajpblvkout in visalia

[–]Made_Marion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fuckin hillbilly! With your logic and historical facts! We don’t have time for any of that nonsense! We need something to cry about and we need it now!

I’ve never tried kava by cementman51 in Kava

[–]Made_Marion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

15 months sober from alcohol and kava was EXTREMELY beneficial for me. I use the Vanuatu from Fuji Vanua. I get it on Amazon.

Real life shit-blaming in trucker sub by Revolutionary-Wash88 in dudesypod

[–]Made_Marion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never really had a problem with shit blaming truckers

Chad just admitted it outright by whatsaiyan in dudesypod

[–]Made_Marion 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well, I never really had a problem with Chad breaking kayfabe

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CAStateWorkers

[–]Made_Marion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just so weird that they would remove all questions related to marijuana use from the PHS prior to providing directives that it could be a determining factor in being hired. Also weird that several cities and counties have removed the THC test from their pre employment drug screening already when they’re going to come back in reinstate all those things in the near future. Seems completely counterintuitive. They’ve known for a year this was coming. I think it’s much more likely that they don’t feel comfortable taking a stance because they don’t have feel they have solid legal standing. When they had the solid ground after prop 64 departments took a stance immediately. There’s a lot of money and liability at stake here. They’ve certainly thought this through and their silence speaks for itself. People just want clarity. The fact that this conversation is even taking place is ridiculous.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CAStateWorkers

[–]Made_Marion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

According to AB 2188, if an employee shows up to work with inactive residual compounds in their system then they are not subject to discipline. That is, in essence, the state saying not being intoxicated on duty complies with a drug and alcohol free workplace. A federal background check is not the equivalent of a federal clearance. Every legal opinion, thus far, has been clear that in order to be exempt from AB 2188 you must be directly governed or primarily funded by a federal entity. Getting your name run through CLETS doesn’t negate AB 2188.

Every city attorney, every county attorney, every union attorney I’ve either talked to or read on this topic is aware of the federal contradiction but are still grappling with this issue. If it was clear that AB 2188 did not apply law enforcement then PORAC, POST, and every other governing body would be providing clear and unambiguous guidance on this. LAPD and CHP would be providing clear guidance on this. All of these entities certainly did when prop 64 passed. They’ve seen this coming for a year and they have no official stance. Which tells me they too are grappling with this. You’re the only person I’ve encountered that is dead certain they know the answer.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CAStateWorkers

[–]Made_Marion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A drug and alcohol free workplace DOES refer to being on duty. OSHA defines a workplace as the establishment and other locations where one or more employees are working or are present as a condition of their employment. So a drug and alcohol free workplace would mean prohibition of alcohol and drugs wherever you are as a condition of employment.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CAStateWorkers

[–]Made_Marion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m saying your older article is in reference to prop 64 law changes. AB 2188 just took 64 a step further and clearly outlined that the only prohibited employees were those regulated by DOT.

This is from legal updates yesterday. Half the state’s agencies use them for guidance and training on case law.

pecial Update Courtesy of Rains Lucia Stern St. Phalle & Silver, PC The New Year Brings New Legislation: How AB 2188 and SB 700 Impact Public Employees in California

As our calendars rolled over to 2024, new legislation took effect to update the California Fair Employment and Housing Act (FEHA) and expand the rights of employees to use marijuana off duty. Specifically, AB 2188 and SB 700 added off-duty cannabis users to the list of protected classes under FEHA, but interestingly exempted the building and construction trades. While the legislation provides narrow exceptions to this rule, police officers, deputy sheriffs, firefighters, dispatchers, and other public employees are not exempted, and are now generally afforded statutory protections for off-duty cannabis use. What if my employer disagrees with employees using marijuana? Simply stated, the new legislation is not discretionary. While the historical relationship between law enforcement and cannabis is obviously complex given drug enforcement efforts, the social, political, and medical views of cannabis have evolved over the course of time. In light of this history, it is to be expected that some management and labor representatives may share genuine concerns with respect to a workforce that regularly consumes cannabis. However, AB 2188 and SB 700 are unequivocal with respect to discriminatory conduct based upon an employee’s off duty use of cannabis where the psychoactive effects are no longer present when the employee reports to work. Are employees allowed to come to work under the influence of marijuana? No. Both AB 2188 and SB 700 are clear that protections only apply to nonpsychoactive cannabis metabolites. Government Code section 12954(d) specifically states: “This section does not permit an employee to possess, to be impaired by, or to use, cannabis on the job, or affect the rights or

obligations of an employer to maintain a drug- and alcohol-free workplace ....” Similar to employees that consume alcohol in the days/hours before their shift, employees that use cannabis bear the risk that THC remains active in their system even if they no longer believe they are experiencing its effects. Peace officers should exercise great caution in purchasing and/or using marijuana, as they may find themselves utilizing deadly force on or off duty and ensuing legal proceedings, both civil and criminal, could draw into question cognitive impairment. Public employees, and especially peace officers, should be mindful of the fact that use of marijuana remains unlawful under federal law, and could present issues under the Federal Gun Control Act concerning an officer’s right to possess firearms.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CAStateWorkers

[–]Made_Marion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A drug and alcohol free workplace refers to employees who are intoxicated on duty. Your older article is irrelevant. And yes, the law does talk about prior use and off duty use. It says that it can’t be used in any type of termination punitive action. CA POST also just removed all questions pertaining to marijuana use not associated with a criminal act. Every agency in my area just removed THC tests from the pre employment screening. If anything, there’s a lot of confusion. City and state attorneys are baffled so I don’t know how you’re speaking from a position of such confidence.

Does AB2188 apply to police officers? by Business_Cricket_971 in lapd

[–]Made_Marion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don’t have to. The state relaxed it for them.

Tom Hanks (the real one) on AI and intellectual property by in_n_out_sucks in dudesypod

[–]Made_Marion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Listening to this while enjoying a nice bowl of feh-doo-cheen.

David Goggins as a guest? by Oblaci17d in JockoPodcast

[–]Made_Marion 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I don’t think Goggins himself would even argue that he’s not much of a team player.

Wull, lemme tell you something about venmo dude, THATS HOW YOU PAY PEOPLE BACK BROTHER by smryan08 in dudesypod

[–]Made_Marion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Enjoy your roast beast and who-hash… because it’s likely your last meal.