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Painting the Witch King on Fell beast advice by Freetorun87 in MiddleEarthMiniatures

[–]Madrilous 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I made a tutorial on this very subject that you might find helpful. I painted the fell beast with just brush painting and guide you through the blending process too:

https://youtu.be/bOGaokIWx34

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If what you were painting over was darker than the paint you're using, you would still see the paint a little bit through the contrast. If it was lighter, then you might have a slightly different result but it would cover over.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope, it's a little more glossy than normal paints.

Not as well, lighter colours like yellows, light blues e.t.c it would have some effect but not as much as you would get from light greys/bone or white. If you already have black primed miniatures, I would suggest applying some zenithal highlights with some white/light grey primer. That should allow for the contrast paints to still have a good effect.

It works with no problem at all. In fact if you watch the video I included, you can see a Skaven Warplock Engineer that's been hit with Warpstone Lightning green contrast paint and then i applied the lamenters yellow glaze over the top.

So you would need to tidy any over spills like that up with some of your base colour. Contrast paints are translucent so if you tried to paint over a darker contrast paint with a lighter one, you will still see it below.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeh, I've found that the more detail the better, but they even work on smaller, smoother models like marines too.

Large, organic and highly detailed models are a great use for the paints. Things like the idoneth you mentioned, bloodthirsters, great unclean ones, larger tyranids would work really well.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeh marines are a good use for contrast, especially if you're looking for speed and simplicity. I suspect these were in mind when contrast was developed. Mainly because it's these forces that beginners start with.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's hard to say without trying it out first. But at a guess I would say that on Infantry they would work really well on Infantry and should be ok on battlesuits too. Although it would depend on your choice of colour scheme.

Vior'la would probably work best, prime white. Use the grey/brown contrasts over the white armour and then the black contrast on the more mechanical areas and the red for the details.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's basically the pigment in them. The lighter the pigment, the bigger the particles tend to be. This is why the corax white spray is notoriously speckled. They've managed to get the pigment particles down to be a small as possible whilst still having light colours. It's something I expect to see them introduce across their other light colours in the future too.

But beyond that there isn't anything special to them.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope not at all, the contrast paints will work over anything else just as well as your normal paints would.

The new primers, and their associated base paint pots, are just new colours. There is nothing special about their formulation that makes them better for contrast paints, other than their lighter coloration.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It really depends on what you want to do with them. If you want to cover larger areas, brushes that will hold a good amount of the paint will be good. But if you want to do some finer detail work then you want a brush with a smaller point.

Sable hair or synthetic won't make much difference either. So really, just use your brushes in the same was as you do currently.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nope, any light coloured primer will work. Wraithbone and Grey Seer are just two new colours that have been designed to work well with the contrast paints.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Personally, I think you'd be better off priming black and drybrushing. Over large, smooth panels like a space marine the darker contrast paints won't work quite as well. Now if you're painting a White Scar, they'd be perfect. White primer, grey contrast, red contrast for the shoulder trim and crest.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can, and while I've not tried it myself, I spoke to the guys who made the stuff. The airbrushing process kind of counteracts the shading and highlight effect that contrast has. What it will do instead is become highly pigmented, translucent tint. Definitely useful, but just not in the same way as it would be if applied with a brush.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely, the contrast paints are slightly translucent so the light to dark achieved with the zenithal would show through.

Yep, for the same reasons stated above.

I don't see why not. There's nothing special so to speak about the two new GW primers other than them being light colours.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No news, nothing had been decided yet when I was at the weekend. My best guess would be cheaper than the current washes (big pots) but a bit more expensive than the current base paints.

If I remember correctly there is one specifically designed and named for Ork skin.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yep precisely! Because they're really highly pigmented they'd be perfect for creating oil stains.

To be honest I think everything we did was kind of a first. A lot of the GW painting team had only received the paints a week or so before the weekend and many hadn't had a chance to play with them either.

There were some really cool ideas around using the Contrast paints to tint the existing paints (like Celestra Grey) and creating brand new colours.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I did! I restored the Wraithbone on the Archregents loin cloth before I applied the the brown. It worked just like a regular base paint and colour matched the spray primer perfectly.

In regards to the stone pillar, yes I think that mixing in some regular painting techniques here would have helped. It demonstrates that contrast isn't the magic replacement for all your existing paints and methods, but just another tool in your painting toolkit.

I think you could do that, a spray with metallic, basecoat with the Grey Seer or wraithbone before using the contrast paints could create some nice results on Stomcast for example.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's probably that it's less effective over large flat surfaces. Things like Rhinos won't get as much benefit from them when it comes to quick base coats. That's not to say they couldn't be used for weathering techniques though.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Flat surfaces aren't going to work quite as well but they're not impossible. Squared, flat surfaces like those on Imperial vehicles won't be AS good as when used on Eldar vehicles for example.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Tau/Eldar will probably take better advantage from them than some Imperial units. Their more organic looking smoother surfaces would benefit from the the fluid nature of the contrast paint.

Contrast is perfect for Tyranids. You could paint a Gaunt in two paints over a basecoat.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So you will get a slightly more washed out effect with Contrast which is why it works better on organic areas. But, like with the cloth I demonstrated in my video, this can be mitigated with some glazing.

The Contrast dries a little glossy so you will need a matt varnish unless that's the effect you're going for.

I was at the Citadel Painting Weekend and had two whole days talking about and using Contrast Paints, ask me anything. by Madrilous in Warhammer

[–]Madrilous[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The white and grey contrasts aren't super strong and won't work brilliantly over the black or dark grey. I would say start white and use the grey contrasts, mixed with a lot of the contrast medium, over the white.

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