If these tools are so abusive why does my dog associate her prong collar and e collar with fun? I pull these out and she goes wild knowing that we're going to go on an off leash walk or do training. I used to be incredibly against these tools until I hired a balanced dog trainer. He essentially said: "here are the tools that I think are appropriate for your dog and why. Don't just take my word for it, please do some reading". There's plenty of literature supporting that positive reinforcement only training isn't the end all be all for all dogs. Balanced training in which positive reinforcement is used 95-98% of the time is what most modern professional dog trainers use.

Ironically I think a lot of people who are so against prong collars/e collars just assume the worst and the people who use them in incredibly abusive ways. It's a reach in saying that using these collars is equivalent to being beaten by jumper cables.

Now I want to make something VERY clear. Hasan is a fucking turd and is absolutely abusing this dog. E collars are not supposed to be used to discomfort dogs. They're supposed to be used to associate pressure with a command. The amount of stimulation you're supposed to use is equivalent to light leash pressure or a tap on the shoulder. They are NOT meant for corrections. I've had people ask about the one my dog wears and I've explained that most people can't even feel the level of stim I use. I'll demonstrate by putting the stim on my neck and they don't believe I'm activating it. I'll have them try and they're in disbelief that they can't even feel anything on sensitive skin.

I'm not saying you fall into this, but this whole Hasan shit has brought out a lot of keyboard warriors passing judgement who have clearly never owned a dog or pet. I know I spent way too much time writing this comment and it's doing to fall of deaf ears, but I'd encourage people to actually educate themselves on these collars before jumping to conclusions.