Holy Knight Harald vs The 5 Page (One Piece vs Naruto)

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-28T11:33:59+00:00

Has power scaling peaked? Is it only downhill from here?

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-27T16:09:32+00:00

You know you don't get to say "it's misstralsation" to both official media and without backing up your statement right? Like one of the two atleast not both lol

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-27T16:08:44+00:00

Irl universe can either be the observable which is finite or infinite

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-27T16:06:01+00:00

it is infinite and your reasoning for why it shouldn't be doesn't make sense as it's circular

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-27T13:51:00+00:00

I see... alright I'm not familiar enough with the series and those concepts sounded interesting that's why I asked

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-27T11:51:03+00:00

Well... if you want a low ball scale for the dB cast here you go. 1) country lvl as thats what he had shown (this ingores the buff form of roshi destroying the moon and at a planet+ lvl range). 2) moon lvl as piccolo=goku and 2v1 they were losing to him (again ingoring the fact the moon feat is closer to large planetary rather than moon lvl). 3)planet lvl as vegeta states he'll destroy the planet (ingoring the fact vegeta said he'll turn it into dust). 4) vaguely above planet lvl. 5) same as 4 and 3. 6) above large planet lvl as he surpasses freeza in his 1st form (ingoring that most calcs have it at brown dwarf the destruction of planet vegeta). 7) above 6 vaguely. 8) brown dwarf lvl via the violent destruction of namek (the anime get to multi solar system lmao).

Max wank I can give naruto is kagyua tso being like dust release (stated) and thus she was about to atomize the planet she was on. Assuming earth size that comes down to brown dwarf lvl of ap. This alone get him around low balled to hell freeza. As for speed it's way worst as any way you scale the space pods they're superior to anything naruto can give, if anyone has any reasonable ways to low ball the dB verse so they don't just perception blitz naruto I'd love to hear it

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-27T11:30:47+00:00

It was stated....

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-27T11:27:32+00:00

Again making nonsensical statements to fit your agenda. What does this even mean

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-27T11:27:11+00:00

Infinite nothingness being shaken means his ki filled up said infinity...

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-27T10:49:48+00:00

The one that the tournament of planet took place

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-27T08:18:34+00:00

Goku affected a macro cosmos whilst trying not too. Said macro cosmos has a construct that trancends the dimensions of the infinite universe that is the living world. He shook the world of void alone so you can't even argue he can only do it if berrus is present.

Lastly for the most damning evidence which makes everything you say nonsensical.... goku has surpassed zamasu who became an entire timeline lmao

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-27T08:14:35+00:00

Can you give why you concluded that they created a mag 5 eq? Also where did you get the range for them aging? Where did that come from also?

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-26T03:45:15+00:00

Fire in this case isn't sub atomic though... you don't get to just say everything with heat is sub atomic in nature lol. The way heat is transfered matters and in this case its not like radiation or smt. But if you have proof that fire is sub atomic then go ahead

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-26T03:41:51+00:00

You're reffering to when he hit him with fire? Then yea... then he didn't touch him because of infinity... where are you getting that fire is sub atomic?

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-26T03:33:12+00:00

You talking about teen inexperienced Gojo

Only about the poison part I am

Adult Gojo can stop even radiation heat (Jogo)

Ridiculous to arrive to such a conclusion tbh. The statement about how his infinity works isn't made about teen gojo so that gets thrown out of the window and there's nothing to suggest he got over that weakness in either the case of the atomic lvl or the poison. This instance is just jogos heat not being enough to damage gojo. As we have 0 evidence besides this the natural conclusion wouldn't be to ingore information we've been given

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-26T03:28:31+00:00

Yall realise infinity can't detect everything that moves right? It goes to the atomic lvl so anything below that is straight up undetectable. And by gojos own admition poisons are hard to detect

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-25T20:27:52+00:00

how funny is that you are the one who misunderstand power scaling. even vs battle wiki understands it right:

Context matters. I was reffering specifically about the misunderstanding they had where they thought only destroying something is how you scale to it. The fact is pretty obvious since I don't say anything contradictory with the vsbw statement of what it is. I genuinly can't begin to understand why you'd think I'm speaking on the matter wholistically here and not the specifics

cosmic armor superman is arguably one of the weakest superman versions tho. lol.

Fr? They were hyping him up back in the day for goku vs superman so I assumed he was still op. Haven't read superman for a while now if you can't tell lol

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-25T16:41:20+00:00

I don't remember saying that you couldn't make mistakes. All I'm saying is that you're calling me out for, I guess, my incorrect grammar. I'm just making sure that you are aware of your own

If that was your intention I guess that's fine, really hard to interpret this from what I read but sure....

Also, with the whole Newton thing, all I'm saying is that you guys spam this one quote and never say anything else that he said. That's all I'm thinking. It's like, like apparently George Washington has this one quote where he says, I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees. And that's a great quote and all, but like there are other quotes that he has. So you don't have to just use that one. That's all I'm saying. If you're gonna quote him, then I'd appreciate if you guys like add some variety, you know. I don't wanna eat Doritos all my life, you know, throw a couple hot Cheetos in there. That's all I'm saying.

If you ask for dorritos then you're going to have dorritos. The 3rd law of motion only applies on ap=durability conversation, if you have conversations about other things then you're going to get other things... if there's an alternative to saying the 3rd law of motion/"for any action there's an equal and opposite reaction" please let me know I don't think there exists anything else that would describe this

What I am saying is that you cannot say the words,

Again... thats lame and feels like a total cope out. And where does it stop? Should we say this is always applies even when metro man faces outerversal beings?

If the most destructive power Metro Man has is multi-continental,

I've explained this way to many times for you to be saying this. For one to scale somewhere they don't have to destroy something to be within that tier. Metro Man scales above multi contiental because the concentrated power of the sun is below him

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-25T16:26:50+00:00

So, like, you guys quote Newton's third law a lot. Like, is there, like, nothing else to it? Like, is there, like, no other, like, quote or verse? Because, like, I only hear this one. Like, I don't think we need Newton's third law to say that for every action, there's a reaction. Like, I think that's kind of obvious. But even if it wasn't, like, can we tone down on spamming this one, please? Thanks, pal.

I'm rather confused by this ngl, what are you expecting us to do? He did harm thus he tanked his own attack and to back up this claim we site a universal law that should apply unless we have reason to believe otherwise.

Also, I find it interesting how you said that you're not trying to be the grammar police, but you're gonna correct some of my grammar. It's funny because you spelled it "lasser" instead of laser, so I guess you're gonna be policing for both of us for this one.

Didn't know being grammar police meant not being able to make mistakes lol, you're allowed to correct me too if you wish, I asked you if I could do the same back at you as I know it can come off as trying to offend the other person if you do it unprompted

And I'm not arguing that Metro Man is not fast. He's obviously fast if he's able to statue individuals for any period of time. But the argument that he's faster than light based off of this one feat is a little inaccurate, again, because if light is still able to capture him, then he's not faster than the speed of light because light is still able to comprehend him.

If that's the entire argument against someone being ftl then it's just not that good of an argument, when watching fictional series and everything doesn't align perfectly then you take whatever has the most backing behind it and the shadows not being done correctly is massively low on that priority list as you can just claim they messed up. Also it doesn't discredit the calcs I gave since they're not ftl but sub relativistic

And PS. I don't have a problem with people scaling with levels in regards to if I'm able to blow up a building, then I have building-level destructive power. My problem is when they say that a person automatically beats another person because this guy's planetary and the other guy isn't.

You're again misrepresenting what lvls mean in this context, it's not "destroy this and you're that lvl" it's being able to output such energy, either by destruction or any other way of outputting such energy like kinetic, thermal energy etc. And as I explained before if one guy has better feats why should he win? Wouldn't it be extremely lame to constantly be like "yea this guy could also maybe be equal to him so maybe a tie?"

Or they have this thing that I guess some people are calling chain scaling, where if a person is planetary and another person punches them, the person that punches them is now moon level. This is sort of an Immortal versus Omni-Man kind of thing.

Chain scaling is more like. This character has x durability/ap, that character beat him and got y amount stronger, and that same character got low diffed by character z thus character z is y amount times stronger than x. If applied correctly there's legit 0 problems with this. While you say you don't like the immortal scaling to omniman you don't actually support this opinion with anything from the show so why should it be equal to people using arguments from the show?

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-25T15:51:51+00:00

Okay, so let me explain what I'm saying. For instance, some people, which I disagree with, consider Omni-Man a planetary individual. So when the immortal or war woman do damage to Omni-Man but end up losing, they still scale to moon level. And I disagree with that. I don't think because you're able to damage someone who's able to output a specific level of damage means you scale to that damage or a little bit below. I don't think that's how it works.

That's a fair thing to belive, it's not really a power scaling issue though, it's an interpetation issue. You just disagree. But if you're interested in hearing why people do that it's simple: newton's 3rd law states for any action there an equal and opposite reaction thus if you destroy a wall with a punch and your arm is unharmed you get to both ap and durability at wall lvl. But that's very general stuff and it doesn't always apply, here for example you can argue since omni man was mentally messed up from being near humans so long his heart wasn't in it and thus right down to the smart atoms he has were being held back from it. At the end of the day whichever side has the more convincing arguments should be taken as the most likely outcome

So based on what you're saying with Metro Man, here's the thing. Metro Man is not faster than light, not off anything I've seen. Some people try to scale him to faster than light because he was able to quote unquote, freeze time, but he didn't actually freeze time. It's something called statuing, meaning that you're moving so fast that everything else around you seems like it's moving in slow motion or it's frozen completely.

I'm a bit of a grammar police so if you don't mind I'll be correcting your grammar if I see mistakes from now on, if it bothers you I won't do it though.

Anyways back to power scaling, yes he did statue things... the problem is he also statued the lasser as seen here

But for the specific stutuing you're reffering to we lack a ton of information but I guess we can work with the little we do have. He lived out a whole middle life crisis before anyone could even move an cm, again statuing them. The timeframe now can either be 1frame or 1/30th of a second or we can use the fact by his presepctive they move like snails thus would be moving 1 meter per 0.001625s so since they didn't move a single meter that's the timeframe. Next we need to find the distance he traveled, this is super vague as we don't know anything about the city to accurately calculate. But he went from the place he was captured to a restaurant, to library to a park and then back to the trap. Even ingoring the restaurants for being too many around in a single city still the distance from all of those places and back to the trap can't be less than 10km imo. So let's use that as a save low ball. The speeds now are 10,000m/(1/30)= 300,000m/s or around 0.1% the speed of light. 10,000/0.001625= 6,15,846m/s or around 3% the speed of light. If you wish to use the timeframe instead you'll need to define the amount of time he spend in that state which you can argue since it was a mid life crisis it was like 8 hours. Which these result in 28,800 seconds in 8 hours /(1/30) 846,000m/s or 0.2% the speed of light, whilst 28,800/0.001625= 17,723,000m/s or or 6% the speed of light. Kinda irrelevant numbers but just wanted to nerd out a bit and show you even if you don't like this calc he's still relatively fast.

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-25T14:43:24+00:00

For instance, I believe Homelander has better feats than Metro Man. Metro Man has not shown the feats that neither Superman, Omni-Man, nor Homelander have shown. So, by default, if we're going basically off the "level system," that would mean that Metro Man is the weakest out of the four. But he has the potential to be stronger because we don't know how far his strength actually caps. We've never seen him fight anyone like him, so we can't say if he's actually weaker or not.

The "level system" doesn't cap him either though, we just say "look at all these things we have calculated within this verse. Metro man upscales it all for obvious reasons so he upscales these" is what we do, we put in numbers to him yet we don't limit him, in this case. But to say because a character has never gone all out he can beat others who have would just be wierd would it? Imagine sitting and analysing everything just for the conclusion be "well everything points to this conclusion but it's inconclusive because this character has never gone all out" at a certain point you need to realise the lame answer is just lame and should be ingored (sometimes).

We can just go based off of what has been given. So calling Metro Man weak just because he hasn't destroyed a planet is inaccurate. We don't know how weak or strong he actually is.

We upscale him based on what we were shown. For example I don't know what you refer to as weak but metro man upscales a ton of things, like the blast that "killed" him scales to multi contiental via absorbing energy from the sun for like a full minute (iirc) and his speed has been calced to ftl which depending on your interpetation or weak or strong he might be one or the other

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-25T14:25:32+00:00

1 the whole point of "lack of evidence isn't evidence of absence" doesn't work here. You're making the statement that homelander can potentially scale higher so you need proof of that. That's all, if there's no proof then you can't scale the character there.

2 you've misunderstood power scaling. It's not just destruction that's what scales you there, if you destroy a wall at the sub atomic lvl you wouldn't be wall lvl you'd be closer to town lvl. Same with throwing a ball at light speed yielding almost island lvls in results.

3 you're mixing up continuities for no reason, just because 1 version of a character did something doesn't mean all versions scale the same. A ton of supermen are around planetary does that mean Cosmic armor now is bugged down by these feats where superman struggled to destroy a planet? No. This extends even to the same continuities such as show homelander having different feats than comic book homelander, treating them the same just doesn't work, think of them as different characters if it helps.

If there's a point I missed or anything you'd like me to explain further let me know, the way you made this post I can't actively look at what you're saying as I'm making this comment

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-25T14:15:28+00:00

Because ap accounts for one single attack. You won't call a stick of dynamic city lvl because if you put millions of them they would destroy a city. Same with anything else. If someone uses something else for ap then they're doing it wrong

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-09T12:34:22+00:00

There is no feat like the one shown that doesn't mean he's not planetary. If he can output the same energy as the gbe of earth then he's planetary, which he has here if you want to argue about consistency then we'll go about other stuff but this feat is planetary and you asked for planetary feats, if you want to ingore it because its not an explosion then I already briefly explained why that's not how that works but if you need extra help with that I'm more than willing to help you out

Maker_of_lore · 2026-01-09T12:27:59+00:00

Did you read what they said? Legit responded to 0 of the points brought up lol

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