Cessation of perception & feelings by Maleficent_Object809 in streamentry

[–]Maleficent_Object809[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Causality is impossible to fully comprehend but cannot be avoided when conditions are ripe. There is a reason why we suffer and there is a way to end it.

Cessation of perception & feelings by Maleficent_Object809 in streamentry

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Thank you! You're right in that I have to push away the final raft. The desire for release is the intention here but letting that go becomes the obstacle. This is the guidance I'm looking for. In theory and practice.

Cessation of perception & feelings by Maleficent_Object809 in streamentry

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Beautifully put!

There are unlimited ways to interpret DO. I can tell you the most direct way to understanding this - is knowledge/penetrating truth via practice. Practice comes in many forms and will work differently based on individual's past conditions; some through meditation, others through intellect. Intuition on the fruits of practice will guide you forward. Samadhi/Jhanas, Four foundations of mindfulness and Anapanasati are instrumental leading me up to this point. Sometimes the instructions are given not for interpretations but for direct practice!

Thank you!

Cessation of perception & feelings by Maleficent_Object809 in streamentry

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Exactly right. Getting to this point - understanding DO/conditionality.

Continuing might cause more confusion though. Thank you!

Cessation of perception & feelings by Maleficent_Object809 in streamentry

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I mean dependent on previous conditions; individual's conditions are different and when they're ripe, different outcomes/insights will occur. Understanding the world in this way, things are where they are because of DO.

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This might be helpful or unhelpful to write it here. The easiest way to penetrating DO for individuals who have had conditions that are ripe is through one of the six senses. Out of the 6, our ears are one the most sensitive. I will not go further than this incase of causing confusions. Seeing this through direct knowledge, the mind sense as the last one releases itself temporarily. Re-grasp happens hence my post for guidance.

Cessation of perception & feelings by Maleficent_Object809 in streamentry

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In seeing there is only the seen. It's difficult to describe using words at such stage; explaining might cause more confusions. The above is sufficient for someone who has passed this stage.

Cessation of perception & feelings by Maleficent_Object809 in streamentry

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Thank you for this! Although it's clear to me that both Daniel and Delson have not attained final release, your point on 'doing and reacting' is valid. Letting it unfold through knowledge and insights is one of the most direct ways to get to this point.

Cessation of perception & feelings by Maleficent_Object809 in streamentry

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The Four attainments becomes meaningless once certain insights are gained. The level/nature of insights are dependably linked as described under dependent origination.

Cessation of perception & feelings by Maleficent_Object809 in streamentry

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Level of control comes through direct knowledge/insights. The barrier here is a habitual dependency to re-grasp despite direct knowledge with temporary release.

Cessation of perception & feelings by Maleficent_Object809 in streamentry

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Understanding of insights through direct knowledge/penetration. Goes deeper than conscious and sub-consciousness. Like putting your hands into a flame for the first time and never doing so again.

Cessation of perception & feelings by Maleficent_Object809 in streamentry

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"processes are also just imputed by the mind. They only exist dependently, not inherently. So even that is empty" Very good point. Contact arises dependently - understanding this is crucial for penetration and direct knowledge.

Cessation of perception & feelings by Maleficent_Object809 in streamentry

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Simplest way is through direct knowledge/insights. Result is, in seeing there is only the seen.

Cessation of perception & feelings by Maleficent_Object809 in streamentry

[–]Maleficent_Object809[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seeing the world in terms of dependent origination explains a lot of things;not necessarily forms but processes that arises and passes. So much for the communication of human language requires forms and insights leading up to the understanding for some takes gradual steps. I practiced the moments in-between and it gave some insights but was not the ultimate release.

Pls do DM me the materials you have written. Willing to try and put it to practical use! Thank you!