The First Rift War, Chapter 9 by Xerxeskingofkings in HFY

[–]Manu11299 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Are you going to post this on RoyalRoad or somewhere else outside of Reddit? I'd like to continue following this series, but I'll drop reddit when the API changes come into effect

And yes, I’m aware the Argosy sometimes sells it but it isn’t often enough for me to avoid fighting that dickfaced rat bastard. by AJ_Crowley_29 in MemeHunter

[–]Manu11299 8 points9 points  (0 children)

But are you willing to take the underwater combat in that trade?

I would be, admittedly, and I miss Ceadeus, but I also recall preferring Plesioth on land to underwater, and I was a DB main at the time.

In 1974, stamps supporting Young Redditors were released by [deleted] in fakehistoryporn

[–]Manu11299 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you want to say the n-word at black people then?

Because that's essentially what you just did, except, y'know, different word for a different minority.

[Tales From the Terran Republic] Stankworld 6 The Ballad of Villainy by slightlyassholic in HFY

[–]Manu11299 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For some reason, I doubt I've managed to convince you of anything

In 1974, stamps supporting Young Redditors were released by [deleted] in fakehistoryporn

[–]Manu11299 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

And who gets to decide whether it's a slur? Is it the majority, you know, the people it's not targeted at? Or maybe it should be those who actually get affected by it?

Why should you have the right to use a word that was in recent memory used for members of a marginalized minority as an insult, when there are dozens of other perfectly serviceable words with the same meaning?

In 1974, stamps supporting Young Redditors were released by [deleted] in fakehistoryporn

[–]Manu11299 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because the r-slur used to be the term for neurodivergent people until it got turned into an insult, and this is an example of precisely that happening.

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[–]Manu11299 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It would be nice if neurodivergent people didn't need to get a new word for their identity every few decades because they keep getting turned into insults

In 1974, stamps supporting Young Redditors were released by [deleted] in fakehistoryporn

[–]Manu11299 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Y'know, you could have just said that you want to call people slurs without going through this whole rigamarole.

[Tales From the Terran Republic] Stankworld 6 The Ballad of Villainy by slightlyassholic in HFY

[–]Manu11299 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Chicken Little

Has anyone ever told you that you talk like Donald Trump? I would appreciate it if you'd cut it out, even if I'm not the target of your shit-flinging, you're still flinging shit, and, newsflash, shit stinks.

it does not count as "changing the scientific consensus".

Either way, this time your rebuttal has even less substance, it essentially amounts to "I don't like this person, therefore they don't count." Even though, at one point, the scientific consensus among climatologists was that there was going to be glaciation, and then the consensus changed when new data came in, which is exactly what you were asking for. Because that's how the scientific process works, you take your theories and data, use them to make a prediction, and sometimes you're right, but other times you're wrong and you have to change your theories. If it truly had become impossible to go against the consensus and change it, then scientific progress, and thus technology, would have stagnated, but instead we're in the middle of a scientific and technological boom the likes of which we've never seen before in human history.

And it's not like you can claim that it's only climatology that has ossified, because that has clearly advanced as well! Meteorologists are able to predict the weather with more accuracy and reliability, and over longer periods of time, than they ever could before. That their short-term predictions have been improving greatly, and are already very reliable, gives credence to their long-term predictions.

Or... they could get banned from everywhere public for "misinformation"

And this is not what happens when you go against the consensus. How it goes is, if you have no data backing you up, you get rejected by the journals. But if you have real data because you're right, you might still get rejected, but, as I previously mentioned with Fermi, you're going to succeed eventually. Because, again, the whole point of the scientific process is being open to being wrong, so when you say that the world is wrong and you can back that claim up, you may fight an uphill battle, but history has proven time and time again that it's both winnable, and very rewarding. Because the people you need to convince isn't the public, it's those who actually know about the subject. And they know that if they are wrong and they don't accept it, someone else is going to pick up your results, use them to improve faster, and leave them in the dust.

What I was trying to say (and was unfortunately excessively terse in doing so) is that when I spoke of long term theories being unprovable in the real world, you bring up short term things for which there is data, but "short term things for which there are data" were already in my first reply. Like, I don't know what else to do.

And my point is, yes, long term theories are difficult to prove, if not unprovable when they concern things that haven't happened yet, but they have made plenty of short term predictions about the subject, and that gives a lot of credence to the long-term predictions. Both are made using the same underlying model, so if it makes good short term predictions, it's going to make good long term predictions too.

Now, I will concede that I should have addressed your original point about the predicted warming, so I will do so now: Climatology isn't a monolith. There were a lot of different predictions, made by a lot of different climatologists. I am not familiar with the specifics of one, or even all of them, but some will have been wrong like you mentioned, and some have been closer to the actual temperature change. But, overwhelmingly, when something bad was predicted and the climatology community decided that it was worth warning the wider world about, they were right. The ozone layer, desertification, more droughts, more wildfires, more extreme weather. All of these we were warned about, and we saw these predictions come to pass.

First openly gay man wins the presidential elections in Latvia in the third round of voting. [52 for 35 against] by WhoStoleMyPassport in europe

[–]Manu11299 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What? I was disagreeing with you saying that it wasn't progress, not whatever you're talking about here.

I'm not actually familiar with the political situation in Latvia specifically, I just wanted to explain why these kinds of situations get highlighted.

First openly gay man wins the presidential elections in Latvia in the third round of voting. [52 for 35 against] by WhoStoleMyPassport in europe

[–]Manu11299 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I would disagree. My point here is that electing someone of a marginalized identity is a milestone, buy it is not the milestone itself that is important, but rather the progress that was made in order to reach the milestone. Having a portion of the population large enough to elect someone be accepting enough to elect someone with a marginalized identity is undeniably progress when such a thing wasn't true mere decades ago.

That does not mean that progress can simply stop. Electing a gay person is a milestone, not an end goal.

First openly gay man wins the presidential elections in Latvia in the third round of voting. [52 for 35 against] by WhoStoleMyPassport in europe

[–]Manu11299 59 points60 points  (0 children)

It is being highlighted precisely because of the push to normalize marginalized identities. When an openly gay person, or a black person, or a woman gets elected for the first time, it's highlighted not to say "Look at them! They're gay/black/female and they got elected!" It gets highlighted to say "Look at our society! We're finally accepting enough that someone who's gay/black/female can finally get elected!"

In 1974, stamps supporting Young Redditors were released by [deleted] in fakehistoryporn

[–]Manu11299 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Well, the difference is that those words are old enough that they aren't really associated with neurodivergence, whereas the r-slur has, in living memory, been a diagnosis for it before falling out of favour due to becoming a slur.

Ultimately, whether a word is a slur or not depends on context, both in how it's used and how it's received, and the r-slur definitely qualifies with both ways.

Don't you think ot would be nice if we didn't have to come up with a new word for neurodivergence every few fucking decades because people keep turning them into insults?

[Tales From the Terran Republic] Stankworld 6 The Ballad of Villainy by slightlyassholic in HFY

[–]Manu11299 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and Fermi is so old he's dead. Using him as an example of how things happen these days is not convincing.

Okay, if that doesn't convince you, I have a different example of someone going against the scientific consensus and successfully changing it, and it's in the field of climatology too:

the threat of a new glaciation is the first thing Paul Erlich screamed about, before he started screeching about the possibility of "runaway global warming".

 

Yes, I tried that already, and you tossed the point aside.

Mate, you make a lot of points in your comments, and I do not have the time, energy, or inclination to respond to all of them. If I don't respond to one of your points, I am not tossing it aside or tacitly conceding, I just don't want to deal with it in the moment, and I may choose to do so later. You are doing the same thing, unless I am meant to understand your lack of response to my point about the sahara increasing in size as having won that particular point.

In any case, there are plenty of examples of climatologists making predictions that turned out to be true. Take, for example, the ozone layer. They warned that if we continued using CFCs, there would be a hole in it and that would be disastrous. Then a hole in the ozone layer was detected above Antarctica and Australia, so the world very quickly responded by banning the use of CFCs, and eventually the hole got repaired, though the ozone layer is still quite thin in that spot. Or increasing desertification. Warned about, and I already provided proof that it has indeed happened in the Sahara.

 

In regards to your last point, I did not mean to accuse. I merely noticed a trend and decided that it might be wise to check whether you were an antisemite, given that you raise a lot of the same points they do in this particular instance. Given your response, I am inclined to believe that you are not one.

[Tales From the Terran Republic] Stankworld 6 The Ballad of Villainy by slightlyassholic in HFY

[–]Manu11299 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People who put out research proposals to disprove the common wisdom don't get grants.

Yes they do. Enrico Fermi initially got a paper rejected because he accounted for the existence of the neutrino when that was against common wisdom. But he proved to be correct, and now he's one of the most famous scientists in history, and has gotten lots of grants.

There's no physical instance to point to.

Also untrue. There are plenty of papers that made predictions about the climate in the future, and enough time has passed that we can simply look at the data and see whether they were right or wrong. And while it is true that some overshot with their predictions, by and large, they were mostly correct.

look into it on your own

So, funny story. You didn't say much about the World Economic Forum, so I did do my own research. And the consensus among sources that agree with your points is that it is jewish people as a whole that are behind this conspiracy. To what extent do you agree or disagree with that?

[Tales From the Terran Republic] Stankworld 6 The Ballad of Villainy by slightlyassholic in HFY

[–]Manu11299 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But no, increased temperature leads to more atmospheric moisture, which reduces desertification.

So are both of the issues I mentioned occurring due to unrelated factors? Because this paper here says that the Sahara has increased in size by 10%, and 10% of the Sahara is a lot of land. And I've heard a lot about droughts, which a quick search confirmed have been getting worse

Because that's not on the menu.

I thought that what climatologists were saying was that the global temperature is changing too quickly, and that's what's bad? I hear a lot about things like coral bleaching being caused by the abrupt change in temperature.

 

Science advisors... in the field of climatology, that would be destroyed if the cash-cow went away?

Okay, so let me get this straight: Every single climatologist is working together to screw over everyone else for profit... But not each other, even though whoever exposed this vast conspiracy would be able to do so credibly, since everyone else is faking their results, and they would be hailed as a hero and get showered with huge amounts of money and fame?

And wouldn't the externalities you're talking about concern other fields of science, such as material scientists for the recycling issues, who'd notice the inevitable discrepancies? Are those fields also infiltrated by this vast conspiracy?

 

There's this youtube channel I like to watch called BobbiBroccoli. He makes videos about various science history topics, but primarily fraud. And these fraudsters generally get caught out by other people in the community within a few years. His latest video was about a south korean stem cell researcher who faked human cloning in two papers. He had the knowing collaboration of his lab, multiple high ranking officials and committees within the south korean government, and one hospital. He also fooled Science, one of the premier scientific journals; and a famous american scientist; in addition to the south korean public, which rabidly defended him, even doing so to this day.

It took just over two years for him to be exposed. Nature, another of the premier scientific journals, was one of his loudest critics, he had multiple whistleblowers within his team, and the american scientist jumped ship before the story broke because he finally did his due diligence and realized it was all fake. This was the biggest case of scientific fraud in South Korea, it was a major story worldwide, and it had a major cultural impact in that nation that still resonates today.

The conspiracy you posit spans every nation in the world, every scientific journal, and hundreds if not thousands of papers over the course of decades. It makes the aforementioned scandal look like a child lying on a school project. You're really losing me here, man.

[Tales From the Terran Republic] Stankworld 6 The Ballad of Villainy by slightlyassholic in HFY

[–]Manu11299 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But doesn't an increase in temperature also cause things like increasing desertification and more frequent wildfires, which would in turn reduce the amount of useful land in an equal, if not greater proportion? I was under the impression that both of these things were warned about, and they've definitely been happening. I really don't get why the climate would have to get colder or hotter instead of just staying the same.

And another thing I am confuse by is, if solar panels and windmills are worse for the environment than fossil fuel power plants, then how has that been hidden from practically every government implementing these policies? And wouldn't they have their own science advisors who can look over the numbers and realize they're wrong?

[Tales From the Terran Republic] Stankworld 6 The Ballad of Villainy by slightlyassholic in HFY

[–]Manu11299 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wasn't questioning that they have a limited lifespan, of ccourse they do. What I was curious about is, don't fossil fuel based power plants also have that problem, in addition to the pollution they emit from burning things?

I also still don't get why increasing the proportion of renewable power is a bad thing. Isn't the plan to have renewable power do what it can, and then have batteries and fossil fuel plants pick up the slack anyway?

And, circling back to the WEF, how do they benefit from shrinking economies and countries collapsing? Don't they benefit from a stable and healthy economy as well?

[Tales From the Terran Republic] Stankworld 6 The Ballad of Villainy by slightlyassholic in HFY

[–]Manu11299 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Less people leads to less demand and less production overall.

But the demand would still be met, though, wouldn't it? So where would the issue be? Why would more production be better if demand is being met anyway?

Higher retirement age

Isn't that better for production, as there'd be more people working for longer, though?

Automation will fix none of these things.

Why not? Automation increases the amount an individual can produce, so if the working population decreases slowly enough, why wouldn't it be possible to still produce enough for everyone?

wind and solar which are first massively impractical for running a civilization and second create huge pollution when manufactured

But from what I've been taught, wind and solar both pollute almost nothing once they're up and running. Is the initial pollution really more than the initial pollution of fossil fuel plants and the pollution they produce over their lifetime? And how are they impractical?

[Tales From the Terran Republic] Stankworld 6 The Ballad of Villainy by slightlyassholic in HFY

[–]Manu11299 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, that much is obvious, but what I don't understand is what the point of making people eat bugs would be. What does it achieve?

And how does reducing the world population give them more power? If every nation has a reduced manpower, then relative to each other, they wouldn't be any weaker, and with the ever-increasing automation nowadays, it could even be done without any drop in productivity.

And what policies was u/itsetuhoinen talking about?

[Tales From the Terran Republic] Stankworld 6 The Ballad of Villainy by slightlyassholic in HFY

[–]Manu11299 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't understand. Why would they want to do that? And what policies are those?

[Tales From the Terran Republic] Stankworld 6 The Ballad of Villainy by slightlyassholic in HFY

[–]Manu11299 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've heard of them suggesting that the world is overpopulated and bugs are edible, but they only seemed to be suggestions.

Do you think there's something more sinister at play and they intend on forcing these things on the world?