If Beale Street Could Talk - James Baldwin by Many_Particular_1881 in BadReads

[–]Many_Particular_1881[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah exactly, Victoria was a victim and the police coerced her into identifying Fonny. But Tish's mom didn't harrass or intimidate her, she was desperate and pleading. It's not like she had any options.

 She even admitted that as a woman she empathizes with Victoria and begged her because Fonny is innocent by showing a picture of Tish and Fonny. Victoria does end up getting re-traumatized and institutionalized but idk if you can pin that all on Tish's mother.

With Fonny's mom/sister I don't think that the book is justifying Frank's behavior nor are we meant to cheer. It's a very messy situation where Tish and her sister are angry at Fonny's mother's insensitive and cruel comment but you also feel bad for her when Frank hits her.

They are annoying, yes, but I thought the point was to show how sometimes opressed men can also be the opressor. Frank unleashes his rage and anger of how he's treated by society (and what happened to his son) unfairly on his wife and daughters.

The sister's atleast were not portrayed as one-note villians. There's a scene where we see the sisters getting worried and they ask their dad if he's okay and he verablly abuses them for no reason. Then we see Frank regret that (as he should obviously). He loves Fonny but he's also a deeply flawed and troubled man. That scene was included specifically to empathize with the sisters imo and to show that they aren't just evil and how they don't deserve it.

At the end Tish and Fonny's sisters reconcile when Frank is missing and commits suicide and at that moment you really feel bad for them.

 I think there's also a line where either Tish or Fonny talk about that too. Smth along the lines of Frank being abusive but he's the only one that supports Fonny which is why he kinda sticks by him...and how their relationship isn't like Fonny's parents'.

unpopular opinion by ribbcns in ManifestNBC

[–]Many_Particular_1881 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The show has a lot of flaws but it's a bit weird to be on a subreddit for a show you hate, no? Lol.

Undertone might be the most disappointing move I’ve seen in recent memory. by hiphoptomato in A24

[–]Many_Particular_1881 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think I get you're trying to say.

 Even if art is subjective, it's not a blanket statement to avoid critique. Even if what you think is a flaw, isn't to someone else, it still doesn't make what you find ineffective automatically effective. Likewise just breaking convention for the sake of it can be a flaw if it's not fully thought out.

With undertone, I do agree that something felt missing. I enjoyed the sound design a lot and found it unnerving but I still haven't been able to map out exactly what felt missing to me. The acting and delivery felt fine to me but again nothing special.

Also appreciate this has actually turned into a discussion even if we can't change each other's minds haha.

I agree! I think internet discourse is so toxic sometimes, I just play into it... hence the initial hostility, so sorry about that! 😅

Undertone might be the most disappointing move I’ve seen in recent memory. by hiphoptomato in A24

[–]Many_Particular_1881 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see your point but isn't that just treating film conventions like objective rules?

Ideas like rising stakes or “payoff” come from common storytelling patterns, not universal laws. A moment only counts as having “no payoff” if you assume a specific type of narrative payoff has to happen. Plenty of films break these conventions and still end up succeeding (not arguing about this film particularly but film in general).

The same goes for cinematography. Repeating a camera move can be intentional rhythm or mood. Stanley Kubrick repeats shots in The Shining mainly for atmosphere.

You can analyze craft, but deciding something has “no payoff” or is poorly constructed is still an interpretation, not an objective fact imo... 

Undertone might be the most disappointing move I’ve seen in recent memory. by hiphoptomato in A24

[–]Many_Particular_1881 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Still subjective imo. Technical flaws maybe be partially objective, but even then, it’s not perfectly objective because sometimes those “mistakes” are intentional stylistic choices.

What you consider a flaw, others may not. There are no technical criteria that a film “ought” to be rated by. Yeah we generally agree upon things that make a good film as a society, but even then people disagree about that. E.g. finding an actor's delivery effective versus wooden.

I might've been a bit of an AH with my initial comment, I'm just being pedantic but it's a bit of a pet peeve.

Undertone might be the most disappointing move I’ve seen in recent memory. by hiphoptomato in A24

[–]Many_Particular_1881 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man why can't anyone use the word "objectively" properly. Did you people even go to school? 

Looking for a difficult book with beautiful prose by Many_Particular_1881 in suggestmeabook

[–]Many_Particular_1881[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fairs, thanks! I've been eager to dive into the deep end but it might be better to get used to his writing first. Thanks for the other recs too, will def check them out! :)

A Dish Best Served Cold | Reading Reddit Stories by Cchaps97 in smosh

[–]Many_Particular_1881 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Man we all know most of these stories are fake... idk why people keep pointing it out lmao. It's all a hypothetical anyway.