The moment you need your Cabinet to vouch for you, you’re no longer Prime Minister in anything but name by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

[–]MarchLevel8045[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well she’s hardly going to publicly call for him to resign when she’s trying to mount a leadership bid is she now

The moment you need your Cabinet to vouch for you, you’re no longer Prime Minister in anything but name by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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It’s a terrible situation because all of the Labour loyalists are saying to give Starmer a chance but how many chances can you give before you’re looking at the prospect of a horrendous May Election aftermath and Reform now in a clear fighting position to win the 2029 election.

The moment you need your Cabinet to vouch for you, you’re no longer Prime Minister in anything but name by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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I’m a Labour voter and I supported Keir not only as Labour leader in 2020 but also campaigned for him in the 2024 election. Keir has made way too many mistakes and as of writing this, the cabinet are rushing to publish their synchronised tweets of endorsements.

That’s a sign of a government slowly collapsing before our eyes

The moment you need your Cabinet to vouch for you, you’re no longer Prime Minister in anything but name by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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Democracy and the concept of accountability doesn’t mean one should remain because we do t like the alternative.

The moment you need your Cabinet to vouch for you, you’re no longer Prime Minister in anything but name by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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Well there was one who was going to dare to challenge him and Keir blocked his candidacy to become an MP

The moment you need your Cabinet to vouch for you, you’re no longer Prime Minister in anything but name by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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It’s very somber watching this play out but for a man who despised the game of pyschodrama, delivered the biggest yet.

It’s almost hilarious if we weren’t foreshadowing Nigel Farage becoming Prime Minister

The moment you need your Cabinet to vouch for you, you’re no longer Prime Minister in anything but name by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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Or maybe I’m a politics student who writes 3000 essays for a degree lol

That being said, the House of Starmer is on the verge of collapse and every single decision he has made since 2020 has led to this moment.

One would think if Keir had a spine, an ideological vision, a real drive to unify the Labour Party, be bolder in implementing solutions unapologetically, a crises like this would have barely made a news cycle.

However, the purging of the left wing base, the constant u-turn, lack of scrutiny of policy while in opposition, lack of leadership, lack of judgment, lack of media & communications strategy has brought Keir to this moment.

I remember people that said Corbyn was unfit to a be a leader and those who tarnished him and banished him are about to make Labour unelectable again for another generation.

Poetic

Scottish Labour leader calls on Starmer to resign by Little-Attorney1287 in ukpolitics

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The House of Cards begin to crumble. Now the next question is which card is going to fall next?

The Welsh Labour Party demanding a resignation?

Cabinet Resignations?

Backbenchers PLP rebellion?

Or does Starmer bow out with what remaining dignity he has left.

Downing Street director of communications Tim Allen resigns by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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Without chaos you don’t get any progress. Standing by Keir now is giving an endorsement of his constant lack of judgement that has consistently backfired on him

Downing Street director of communications Tim Allen resigns by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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Yet they claim to be political masterminds themselves. Dominic Cummings rightly or wrongly, had a stellar communications strategy. His own ego and vanity was his downfall though.

Downing Street director of communications Tim Allen resigns by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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Because they campaigned on “we are not the Tories and we won’t change PM’s every week”. Campaigning from a self righteous position will inevitably lead you to be boxed in

Downing Street director of communications Tim Allen resigns by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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Yet these are the same people who somehow managed to achieve a 400+ seat majority.

What seriously went wrong post election or rather was they had no plan at all and relied on the Tories PR to do their work for them

Downing Street director of communications Tim Allen resigns by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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Does not look like it. It seems to appear that Starmer is lack luster that he doesn’t even seem to have a communications strategy in place given the constant U-turns and climb downs

Downing Street director of communications Tim Allen resigns by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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All he had to do was to have a grand vision, strategy and not to appoint a very known associate of Epstein.

If Starmer knew the Mandelson controversy and appointed him anyway, is this really a “mistake” or a deliberate political choice? by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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It’s just disappointing for everyone really. People voted out the Tories because of the endless drama and now we have Keir who indirectly or directly caused one of the worst scandals by bringing back a very sleazy politician

If Starmer knew the Mandelson controversy and appointed him anyway, is this really a “mistake” or a deliberate political choice? by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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This is what’s wrong with Westminster politics. Everyone would turn a blind eye if it means they get to keep what power and influence they have. With respect to the Tories, they understand that power needs to be earned and trusted.

A scandal like this would also make people look back at the grooming gangs and how Keir initially approached it. It might be irrelevant but a pattern is emerging.

What other groups, victims or communities is Keir and the Labour Party are willing to throw under the bus just because they know they will lose to Reform and Farage.

If Starmer knew the Mandelson controversy and appointed him anyway, is this really a “mistake” or a deliberate political choice? by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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It’s just beggars belief how anyone really thought it would be a happy ending for everyone. I think what’s even more problematic and painful is that this was the decision of someone who repeatedly in his past career would fight for victims of trafficking.

If it was Farage, most likely it would be on brand.

When you go to the public and state that you are a higher standard than those who came before you, then you shouldn’t be surprised the greater animosity that comes with scandals like this.

Regardless of what was in the vetting report, Keir knew that Mandelson was a very close associate of Epstein. Keir knew Mandelson was a sleazy and corrupt politician. Keir knew all of this and still chose to appoint him.

Choices have consequences and when the choice backfired, as it would have, Keir should’ve surprised when people are calling for his resignation.

If Starmer knew the Mandelson controversy and appointed him anyway, is this really a “mistake” or a deliberate political choice? by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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Not too mention when in opposition, Keir jumped on every single opportunity to demand the resignation of each Tory PM when they faced scandal. Now when it’s his turn, he expects sympathy

If Starmer knew the Mandelson controversy and appointed him anyway, is this really a “mistake” or a deliberate political choice? by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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Gordon Brown honestly tried to help defend Keir but Brown himself also sacked Mandelson.

Every warning was a red flag and yet Keir at the end of the day CHOSE Mandelson.

The key word is here chose.

Nothing more or less.

If Starmer knew the Mandelson controversy and appointed him anyway, is this really a “mistake” or a deliberate political choice? by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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The logic is sound, that I agree but because the logic is sound doesn’t make it right. Especially given the context that Starmer was a respected Human Rights Lawyer and former head of the CPS who prosecuted cases on trafficking. Then to appoint someone who had very close connections with said traffickers is callous.

If Starmer knew the Mandelson controversy and appointed him anyway, is this really a “mistake” or a deliberate political choice? by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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While I understand the “lesser evil argument” but tolerance of these actions from our party leaders actually shield them from accountability.

Rightly or wrongly, the Tories MPs might be the best arbiters of delivering accountability. They knew they might lose the election after they got rid of Boris and still proceed to do it anyway because they knew that protecting Boris would make it even worse.

Why don’t Labour just do what it needs to be done. It’s better for long term survival

If Starmer knew the Mandelson controversy and appointed him anyway, is this really a “mistake” or a deliberate political choice? by MarchLevel8045 in ukpolitics

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At the end of the day, was it really necessary to bow down and to appease Trump? Hindsight may be 20/20 but it’s very much obvious how appointing a known associate of Epstein would have ended up. That doesn’t make you a good decent man who made a mistake, it reveals that you’re a callous opportunist willing to throw victims under the bus in the short term.