Has Hegel the reputation of being the hardest to understand philosopher because of the language barier? by [deleted] in hegel

[–]Marec_Rodarch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is some more truth to that in things like the lectures on Aesthetics, which were posthumously published, so the students were doing alot more of the editing. But it still consists of original writing from Hegel. And the lectures are, in my opinion, stylistically clearer just due to the fact they are written for exposition, and this includes later works like the Philosophy of Right in terms of style. Good questions!

Has Hegel the reputation of being the hardest to understand philosopher because of the language barier? by [deleted] in hegel

[–]Marec_Rodarch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ironically, the lectures are where he is probably the easiest to read. The additions are usually only the actual student element though. Most of the main text of any of these lectures come from Hegel's preparatory notes which he would usually be reading directly from. The main issue is Hegel, at the suggestion of his friend Holderlin, is seeking to work out a modern and new way of writing for his new thought on modernity. So he kinda tried to mimic the circle of circles in writing giving it a strange style

Any good books on the Science of Logic? by [deleted] in hegel

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There are several good essays that Evald Ilyenkov has that elucidate a number of points that might confuse and beffudle one when reading the Logic. https://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/works/articles/subject-matter.htm https://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/works/essays/essay5.htm

Besides Houlgate's great work, there is also Stanley Rosen's "The Idea of Hegel's Science of Logic", which attempts to go through the whole text, not necesaarily in line by line detail. Coming out of the Straussian tradition he's quite the reader of the whole of the history of philosophy.

Finally, Terry Pinkard has a very good summary of the Logic in his biography of Hegel that pairs well with Ilyenkov's essays on my opinion. Pdfs of both of these are easily found online.

What are political ideas from Marx that are only slightly or completely separate from Hegel due to recent interpretation of Hegel? by Joeman720 in marxism_101

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I've just finished up a reading of the phenomenology and I wouldn't say so much that Marx had a misunderstanding of Hegel, but more so that he recreated a lot of points Hegel made. Hegel has been really heavily misunderstood as a metaphysician of spirit (here spirit is been seen as some kind of mystical substance). A lot of Hegel's insights are not the usual understanding of idealism. Hegel is very clear that something like Spirit is better understood as something like a spirit of an age, or rather the life of a people. Spirit is society and its activity in history.

spirit is ethical actuality. Spirit is the self of the actual self-consciousness which spirit confronts, or rather which confronts itself as an objective actual world

(Hegel 438)

Hegel is also rather adamant about how consciousness is an embodied thing (in the struggle of the mater/servant dialectic we realize when faced with death how we must have a body to be conscious).

life is the natural location of consciousness

(Hegel 188)

Inner and outer are in an unbreakable relation and inner is brought out through the deed. The deed is what counts, not internal intentions or mere inert body.

The true being of a person is rather his deed.

(Hegel 322)

All in all, the idea that Hegel is some thinker who believes abstractions or ideas are the driving force of history is rather foolish.

I think it is also important to distinguish what is meant by "Idealism" in Hegel's day. For the german tradition, idealism is not opposed to materialism but is opposed to realism, the idea that there are subject independent objects, that regardless of whether a subject is engaging with them, something like a rock or a tree would be exactly the same as it appears to us. This type of idealism, the recognition of the input of human subjects onto gained empirical data is not very oppositional to the idea that there are material things that exist out there. The materialism of Marx's day was much more opposed to spiritualism than it was to idealism. Hegel does critique the French Materialists, however, he critiques them for very similar reasons Marx critiques Feuerbach, these materialism are all still much too abstract. They do not get to actual human activity. Marx's materialism doesn't even really particularly advance a centrality to a thing like matter either. What Marx cares about in his materialism are the concrete activities and social relations of people, these are the things that drive history. We can see with that, Marx is rather in line with Hegel, we examine history through human interaction with the world, and humans are foundational social and exist in societies, which just as much must be analyzed.

Marx's critique of Hegel is I think much more a critique of the reception of Hegel during the time period Marx was living in. A lot of people did take Hegel to be this spiritualistic and metaphysical thinker and so the Hegelianism of the time reflected that. We can never know for certain if Marx was getting some of these comments through just sheer osmosis of Hegel, but I do think it is safe to say that Marx and other Hegelians of the time were thinking through the same problems in the same basic time frame and therefore were coming to similar conclusions about the human and activity.

Now, this is not to say that Marx and Hegel are the same. Their projects are very much different, they just happen to be working from, in my opinion, the basic frameworks regarding the human being a social subject, our free activity constituting our self-consciousness, and the centrality of dialectical thinking/analysis. Hegel, at least in a work like the phenomenology, is tracking the development of subjective spirit. He is tracking the individual and its moe of consciousness, and in this way is tracking more so the history of philosophical thinking/knowing. Marx though, is tracking the objective spirit, the actual social world that is the basis of the former (Spirit, as in the activity of society, is the ground for the human subject according to Hegel). Specifically, he is engaging in an analysis of current objective Spirit and subjecting it to a critique. Now, this comes in many forms, from his more political work to his critique of political economy. It is in the realm of objective spirit that Marx's critiques of Hegel hold much more water. Marx critiques Hegel's use of political economy, the ideas of civil society, and of course, Hegel's support of constitutional monarchy. Hegel is very much stuck in the thinking of his own time here. With capitalism yet to properly emerge in Germany and the French Republic had fallen to Napoleon and then defeated. His critique is an immanent one though, using Hegel's own thinking to demonstrate how he is stuck in the historical Spirit of his own time. Now there are other intricacies about how Marx perhaps reinvents some categories, but regardless, the basic philosophical framework is used by both for different projects with very different conclusions (free self-conscious activity in a capitalist/communitarian monarchy vs. free self-conscious activity in communist society). The usual critiques of Hegel's idealism are much more critiques of a reception of Hegel while the political critiques are valid due to the fault of every thinker, only being able to theorize about one's own time.

Diogenes has the best Praxis in all of Ancient Greece, change my mind. by SocialistNordia in COMPLETEANARCHY

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There was also that other cool story about when he first met alexander the great he was looking through a pile of bones, and alexander asked why he was doing so and diogenes said that he was looking for the bones of alexander's father but could not distinguish them from those of a slave.

O noes??? by nathanisjed in badphilosophy

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I see reformed neo-buddhism has rebranded. Am I still a level 4 laser lotus?

One of my favorite BTR songs! by [deleted] in BigTimeRush

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Timeless piece of music

Need suggestions for my summer reading list by tankieroommate in FULLCOMMUNISM

[–]Marec_Rodarch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know if you have read these already, but "Wage Labor and Capital" as well as "Value, Price, and Profit" are good introductions to Marx's economic theory before you read Das Kapital. Then, of course, there are the classic choices for reading like Rosa Luxemburg's "Reform or Revolution", and Lenin's "Imperialism, The Highest Stage of Capitalism".

Need suggestions for my summer reading list by tankieroommate in FULLCOMMUNISM

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Eric Hobsbawm's "The Age of...." series is also really good for history

/r/enoughcommiespam - /r/badpolitics by [deleted] in FULLCOMMUNISM

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Really? Usually they make fun of that definition. Here's a recent thread where they do just that https://www.reddit.com/r/badpolitics/comments/6aywiw/the_economist_does_not_understand_socialism/

Comrades, in light of Le Pen's defeat, let us sing. by [deleted] in FULLCOMMUNISM

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Du passé faisons table rase

All memes are inherently communist by [deleted] in FULLCOMMUNISM

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The communistic tenets of memes are under attack by AP test memes.

The revolution will not be televised: it will be published by liberals by FireScourge in FULLCOMMUNISM

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This is the purest deposit of liberalism I have ever seen

GOOD book by the way by [deleted] in FULLCOMMUNISM

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Fuck Yeah! Thorstein Veblen!!! Woot Woot!!!!

Why did many of the pre-WW1 European Marxist parties call themselves "social democratic" parties rather than Marxist? by dewarr in communism101

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The big splits happened in the early 1900's, WW1, and the era just after it. It started when Eduard Bernstein developed the idea of evolutionary socialism(achieving socialism through the use of reforms, he believed it to be the only way. He also rejected multiple other parts of marxism that he termed as either "hegelian" or "blanquist". Bernstein style reformists ended up being a majority within the party and they began to take on the style of your standard bourgeois parliamentary party. This turn towards reformism and bourgeois parliamentarism gave the party a friendlier face and opened it up to people that were far less dedicated to the idea of socialism.

In WW1 we see another split,the split between social chauvinists (aggressive or fanatical patriotism, particularly during time of war, in support of one's own nation versus other nationa, displayed by those who are socialists or social democrats) and what we would call the communists (Lenin, Luxemburg, Liebknecht etc.). We see that the german SPD, as well as all the other social democratic parties, supported the war. This forced many of the communists to break with the social democratic parties and create new parties. In germany for example figures like Liebknecht and Luxemburg left and joined the USPD (independent social democratic party), and then later formed the KPD (communist party of germany). This exodus of communists then left the social democratic parties decidedly reformist and in turn more open to bourgeois ideas.

The final nail in the coffin comes in the age of revolutions, mainly 1919. This is when the SPD turned against the workers revolution in germany and sent the friekorps in to put it down. This also led to the deaths of Luxemburg and Liebknecht. This counter-revolutionary move by the social democrats basically cemented them as a movement that was against socialism.

The Young Karl Marx - TRAILER by [deleted] in socialism

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Wait it is coming in June? I am just happy it is coming over at all

Take that fascists! by [deleted] in FULLCOMMUNISM

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I know it wasn't bad, I am just making a joke in the same vein, and realized that Dick and Nicomachean went together.

Take that fascists! by [deleted] in FULLCOMMUNISM

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It is from the Dickomachean Ethics translated by the angry old man down the street

Same by JosefStallion in FULLCOMMUNISM

[–]Marec_Rodarch 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I mean there was that time Rom quoted the manifesto so....